OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[BullheadCardFan]

Should have never signed him to that big contract.

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[Stout]

Here is the plan offered by the Never-Murrays:

Step One - Get rid of Kyler Murray immediately!

Step Two - ???????????

Step Three - A higher level of success for the Arizona Cardinals!

You forgot the "Steal the underpants" and "Profit" steps

 

[Stout]

Said it before but Kyler and the organization would have been better off if he left after the playoff game.

Cards probably would have found their QB by now and K1 either makes it elsewhere or not.

We had plenty of control. I and others said there's no need to rush, let's see another year. If ownership wouldn't have been, you know, idiotic, we would have seen that year and never, ever offered him so big a deal.

 

[Chopper0080]

Here is the plan offered by the Never-Murrays:

Step One - Get rid of Kyler Murray immediately!

Step Two - ???????????

Step Three - A higher level of success for the Arizona Cardinals!

I just fear for his safety. Taking a rogue snap to the face put him out for the year.

 

[kerouac9]

I just fear for his safety. Taking a rogue snap to the face put him out for the year.

Poor little guy

 

[PACardsFan]

Remember when we ruined Larry Cent...err...Kwamie Lass...err...Larry Fitz...err Kurt War...err...and Carson Pal...err...and Trey McBri...err...and many others...

Talent shines through even on a bad franchise. Despite poor coaching. Despite lesser talent surrounding them. They lift up others.

You mentioned like 5 stinking players, with two of them in their mid to late 30’s when they got here. If you want, I’ll go back in time and exceed 100 players where the opposite is true. Silly argument when your taking the side of this franchise in any discussion about player development.

 

[Chopper0080]

Poor little guy

The ball is much larger in ratio to him than it is to other NFL QBs. I have seen the pictures online. Risky business.

 

[some dumb guy]

Don't forget the extension of his contract for no reason while knowing he wasn't putting in the 100% effort mentally

When Bidwill gave Murray that huge contract, at first, I thought what an idiot. Then, I thought it was a good move because if he waited another year, it would cost even more.
So, in hindsight, Bidwill is an idiot because he tried to save some money and the fact that he put in the film study clause should have been the wake-up call he was doing the wrong thing.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

let me add this: the Cards have LESS cap room that the Seahawks or Rams, and about the same as the 49ers. All for 9-10 fewer wins.

I wouldn’t hold on to that cap figure too much. That is going to drastically change with the cutting of several bloated bad free agent hires from 2024

 

[JosiahLee]

No expertise needed.

Some people have had their head in the sand for a while for how poorly this team has been ran by the Bidwillians.

From the toxic work environment which revealed that many in the org were abusive drunks. To the clause in the contract. To the horrible way they treat players and their families.

Total rot from the head down.

To the fact we also don’t have a team president like many other organizations who make the playoffs at a much higher rate.

 

[Stout]

You mentioned like 5 stinking players, with two of them in their mid to late 30’s when they got here. If you want, I’ll go back in time and exceed 100 players where the opposite is true. Silly argument when your taking the side of this franchise in any discussion about player development.

You keep claiming Kyler's a great player; the actual great players the Cards have had have shined despite the wretchedness of the franchise. Ergo, he ain't as great as you think he is

 

[Adrian]

Jets could trade a Day 2 pick to the Cardinals for Kyler Murray

Murray only played five games last season, though he didn't exactly light it up. Jacoby Brissett put up better passing numbers than Murray, and there are some concerns about how well the former No. 1 overall pick's style of play is going to age if he loses some of his mobility.

Kyler Murray trade price revealed as Jets consider move for Cardinals QB

The New York Jets may need to trade a second-round or third-round pick to the Arizona Cardinals to acquire starting quarterback Kyler Murray.

thejetpress.com

 

[PACardsFan]

You keep claiming Kyler's a great player; the actual great players the Cards have had have shined despite the wretchedness of the franchise. Ergo, he ain't as great as you think he is

At times, Murray has been great. To deny that is just hate speech. The problem has been consistency. And what has contributed to a lack of consistency can be spread over many facets……some of which are attributed directly to Kyler, but many are because of this franchise having no clue about building a team around him. Availability due to injuries cannot be be denied either. The latter would be my biggest concern with Kyler. But, it’s not like any of his injuries will have a lingering affect on his ability to play at a high level.

Personally, I think Murray exiting this franchise is more a decision that Murray has made, not the Cardinals. He’s watched this organization make so many mistakes, that he’s emotionally exhausted & wants out to go somewhere where he has some kind of chance for success. Whether Murray is a bad human being for not wanting to waste any more time here is debatable. Either way, Murray is MOST likely gone & I’m not in denial of that. But, bottom line, the tragedy of that is consistent with all the blunders I have personally experienced watching this clueless franchise for the last 62+ years as a fan. When do you stop placing the largest portion of the futility blame on either the players or the coaches & lay it directly at the feet of the Bidwill family? Well, I’m 100% there RIGHT NOW.

 

[gimpy]

To me, the tragedy is that he put in the time physically, but not necessarily mentally (from what I gather reading on here). But, who knows? Maybe he has and I don't know it, or maybe he already knows and sees everything without the studying.

 

[Stout]

At times, Murray has been great. To deny that is just hate speech. The problem has been consistency. And what has contributed to a lack of consistency can be spread over many facets……some of which are attributed directly to Kyler, but many are because of this franchise having no clue about building a team around him. Availability due to injuries cannot be be denied either. The latter would be my biggest concern with Kyler. But, it’s not like any of his injuries will have a lingering affect on his ability to play at a high level.

Personally, I think Murray exiting this franchise is more a decision that Murray has made, not the Cardinals. He’s watched this organization make so many mistakes, that he’s emotionally exhausted & wants out to go somewhere where he has some kind of chance for success. Whether Murray is a bad human being for not wanting to waste any more time here is debatable. Either way, Murray is MOST likely gone & I’m not in denial of that. But, bottom line, the tragedy of that is consistent with all the blunders I have personally experienced watching this clueless franchise for the last 62+ years as a fan. When do you stop placing the largest portion of the futility blame on either the players or the coaches & lay it directly at the feet of the Bidwill family? Well, I’m 100% there RIGHT NOW.

At times, sure. The problem is, those times are ancient history how. He hasn't been good for a long time. Average at best. So, thank you for admitting he isn't a great player.

I think the franchise--read Bidwill, M.--was thoroughly done with him. I don't care how he's gone, though, so long as he's gone. Let's get the most we can for him and move along.

 

[PACardsFan]

At times, sure. The problem is, those times are ancient history how. He hasn't been good for a long time. Average at best. So, thank you for admitting he isn't a great player.

I think the franchise--read Bidwill, M.--was thoroughly done with him. I don't care how he's gone, though, so long as he's gone. Let's get the most we can for him and move along.

It’s your opinion that he’s average, not mine. Right system, stay relatively healthy, and he’s going to be a difference maker. Maybe very good, maybe even great, but definitely a difference maker. Any opportunity other than the Jets lol, and he’s going to make us all come to grips that we root for such a dysfunctional franchise, that no QB will matter much. For right now, we’ll have to agree to disagree & move on. I pray for his sake, that wherever he goes, he has an opportunity to show off his true worth. Football is not like boxing, bowling, or golf. He needs 21 other players to contribute at a high level in order to see the ultimate success. Sadly, he’s had none of that in AZ.

 

[Stout]

It’s your opinion that he’s average, not mine. Right system, stay relatively healthy, and he’s going to be a difference maker. Maybe very good, maybe even great, but definitely a difference maker. Any opportunity other than the Jets lol, and he’s going to make us all come to grips that we root for such a dysfunctional franchise, that no QB will matter much. For right now, we’ll have to agree to disagree & move on. I pray for his sake, that wherever he goes, he has an opportunity to show off his true worth. Football is not like boxing, bowling, or golf. He needs 21 other players to contribute at a high level in order to see the ultimate success. Sadly, he’s had none of that in AZ.

No, your opinion is that he's great; the fact is that he's average. Unless you want to find...well, anything...that says he's above average? Any stats? Didn't think so.

Your opinion is that he would be great if not here. Nothing to support that opinion but hopium, I'm afraid.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The ball is much larger in ratio to him than it is to other NFL QBs. I have seen the pictures online. Risky business.

That thing was a missile! Amazing he's still alive.

 

[PACardsFan]

No, your opinion is that he's great; the fact is that he's average. Unless you want to find...well, anything...that says he's above average? Any stats? Didn't think so.

Your opinion is that he would be great if not here. Nothing to support that opinion but hopium, I'm afraid.

I’m so glad that you’re around to tell me how I feel! Not sure what I would do without you lol. We’ll agree to disagree & wait to see how the rest of Murray’s career goes.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

No, your opinion is that he's great; the fact is that he's average. Unless you want to find...well, anything...that says he's above average? Any stats? Didn't think so.

Your opinion is that he would be great if not here. Nothing to support that opinion but hopium, I'm afraid.

Arizona is football graveyard. We are where players go to fail.

Sure, we catch lighting in a bottle once in a while with a McBride or a Fitzgerald or a Warner.

But for every McBride, there are 20 Troy Niklases and Jim Drays.

And the stench of of the last 100 years of failure and incompetence is overpowering.

I wish we never would have drafted Murray. That way I wouldn't have had to watch his incredible talent utterly wasted on this caricature of an NFL franchise.

I guess we can hope for a miracle on the HC hire. We're drawing to a one-outer at the moment (poker reference).

 

[BullheadCardFan]

That way I wouldn't have had to watch his incredible talent utterly wasted on this caricature of an NFL franchise.

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[Crimson Warrior]

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Is my sentence the most beautiful thing you've ever seen BHCF? Or what message are you trying to convey here?

 

[PACardsFan]

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This will be Kyler when he leaves!!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Is my sentence the most beautiful thing you've ever seen BHCF? Or what message are you trying to convey here?

"incredible talent"

I think you're stretching it adding incredible