OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[602 Native]

K1 isn't getting any taller. His limitations will still limit him regardless of the uniform he wears. He would probably tear it up in the CFL though ala Doug Flutie.

Such a lazy take.
Please do better than "tAlLeRz"

 

[602 Native]

let me add this: the Cards have LESS cap room that the Seahawks or Rams, and about the same as the 49ers. All for 9-10 fewer wins.

Just a brutal analysis. Dude survived scapegoating a coach that he picked and a roster he built.

We are so cooked.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Such a lazy take.
Please do better than "tAlLeRz"

With these he could be unstoppable.

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[602 Native]

With these he could be unstoppable.

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[Brian in Mesa]

@602 Native I honestly do wish him the best, I just don't think everything wrong with his game is due to the Cardinals. Unless you count not doing a good job interviewing and researching him before making him the first overall pick in the draft.

 

[Dan H]

Best GM the Cards have ever had.................at being an absolute dumpster fire and keeping his job.

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[Chopper0080]

let me add this: the Cards have LESS cap room that the Seahawks or Rams, and about the same as the 49ers. All for 9-10 fewer wins.

Context...

The Cardinals also have nearly 20 more players under contract than the Rams and Hawks. That is a big part of it. (not implying those players are better just 20 more 900k players adds up).

The Cardinals have the highest cap hit for a QB of those 3 teams. Kyler has a 52.6 mil cap hit in 2026 vs 33.9 for Darnold and 48.2 for Stafford.

Puka has a 5.6 mil cap hit on the last year of his deal. JSN 4.5. Those numbers will change significantly.

Seattle has 8 FAs who played over 40% of snaps. Arizona has 4. LA also has 4.

Obviously the Cardinals have not gotten impact from their cap dollars but their financial situation is pretty good.

 

[Stout]

This is too high level for the KDS Crew. They openly campaigned last season for a scrub to start over K1 and then backtracked from the decision when they found out he was a scrub.

KDS...

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[602 Native]

Context...

The Cardinals also have nearly 20 more players under contract than the Rams and Hawks. That is a big part of it. (not implying those players are better just 20 more 900k players adds up).

The Cardinals have the highest cap hit for a QB of those 3 teams. Kyler has a 52.6 mil cap hit in 2026 vs 33.9 for Darnold and 48.2 for Stafford.

Puka has a 5.6 mil cap hit on the last year of his deal. JSN 4.5. Those numbers will change significantly.

Seattle has 8 FAs who played over 40% of snaps. Arizona has 4. LA also has 4.

Obviously the Cardinals have not gotten impact from their cap dollars but their financial situation is pretty good.

Holy Cope Batman

They better have more players under contract considering those teams haven't had the amount of draft picks we have had the last 3 years plus their aging rosters.

Even then MO hasn't had a single probowler he has drafted while the other teams have done much better drafting with less picks.

cONtExT: MO is horrendous at building and managing this team.

 

[602 Native]

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I at least thought Graves was competent I have zero feeling MO is.

 

[Stout]

Such a lazy take.
Please do better than "tAlLeRz"

Kyler isn't...
--talLeRz
--Stepping up in the pocket
--Being comfortable in the pocket
--Progressing through his reads
--Doing everything he can to succeed
--Throwing the ball away'
--Stopping tendencies to slide short of the first
--Stopping tendencies to run OOB behind the LOS
...
The list continues.

 

[602 Native]

Kyler isn't...
--talLeRz
--Stepping up in the pocket
--Being comfortable in the pocket
--Progressing through his reads
--Doing everything he can to succeed
--Throwing the ball away'
--Stopping tendencies to slide short of the first
--Stopping tendencies to run OOB behind the LOS
...
The list continues.

Zero issue with laying out these things.

The tall thing is so overrated and there are those who actually would have traded for Bryce Young on here who is shorter.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Whoever does end up with Murray will be laughing at the Cardinals next year. But, that shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Are you sure you're not related to him?

Your blind loyalty, while being admirable is really far out of context

 

[BullheadCardFan]

@602 Native I honestly do wish him the best, I just don't think everything wrong with his game is due to the Cardinals. Unless you count not doing a good job interviewing and researching him before making him the first overall pick in the draft.

Don't forget the extension of his contract for no reason while knowing he wasn't putting in the 100% effort mentally

 

[BullheadCardFan]

MO is horrendous at building and managing this team.

This we can all agree on

 

[PACardsFan]

Are you sure you're not related to him?

Your blind loyalty, while being admirable is really far out of context

Not at all out of context. I’m sure many fans thought the same of Darnold when he left the Jets and even with Carolina & Niners. Murray is extremely talented & was cursed to be drafted by a dumpster fire organization. We’ll wait and see where he goes & how he does. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree. I have 62 years of experience watching this franchise ruin some really good players. What’s one more.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

We’ll wait and see where he goes & how he does. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree.

Yes we will see

I wish him no harm and will be happy for him if he does well over a period of time

One thing we do agree on and that is this organization is dysfunctional from the top down

 

[netsnjkidd]

Kyler isn't...
--talLeRz
--Stepping up in the pocket
--Being comfortable in the pocket
--Progressing through his reads
--Doing everything he can to succeed
--Throwing the ball away'
--Stopping tendencies to slide short of the first
--Stopping tendencies to run OOB behind the LOS
...
The list continues.

Dont forgot all the intangibles(leadership, clutch, team first, will to win) Bryce young at 180lb will lower his shoulder to pick up a 1st while kyler will skimper out bounds short of the sticks

 

[Stout]

Not at all out of context. I’m sure many fans thought the same of Darnold when he left the Jets and even with Carolina & Niners. Murray is extremely physically gifted & was cursed to be drafted by a dumpster fire organization. We’ll wait and see where he goes & how he does. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree. I have 62 years of experience watching this franchise ruin some really good players. What’s one more.

FTFY

As of now, he's a bang average QB in terms of NFL talent.

 

[SoonerLou]

Yes we will see

I wish him no harm and will happy for him if he does well over a period of time

One thing we do agree on and that is this organization is dysfunctional from the top down

Said it before but Kyler and the organization would have been better off if he left after the playoff game.

Cards probably would have found their QB by now and K1 either makes it elsewhere or not.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

FTFY

As of now, he's a bang average QB in terms of NFL talent.

We were told "generational."

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Not at all out of context. I’m sure many fans thought the same of Darnold when he left the Jets and even with Carolina & Niners. Murray is extremely talented & was cursed to be drafted by a dumpster fire organization. We’ll wait and see where he goes & how he does. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree. I have 62 years of experience watching this franchise ruin some really good players. What’s one more.

Here is the plan offered by the Never-Murrays:

Step One - Get rid of Kyler Murray immediately!

Step Two - ???????????

Step Three - A higher level of success for the Arizona Cardinals!

 

[daves]

Here is the plan offered by the Never-Murrays:

Step One - Get rid of Kyler Murray immediately!

Step Two - ???????????

Step Three - A higher level of success for the Arizona Cardinals!

I endorse this plan.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Not at all out of context. I’m sure many fans thought the same of Darnold when he left the Jets and even with Carolina & Niners. Murray is extremely talented & was cursed to be drafted by a dumpster fire organization. We’ll wait and see where he goes & how he does. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree. I have 62 years of experience watching this franchise ruin some really good players. What’s one more.

Remember when we ruined Larry Cent...err...Kwamie Lass...err...Larry Fitz...err Kurt War...err...and Carson Pal...err...and Trey McBri...err...and many others...

Talent shines through even on a bad franchise. Despite poor coaching. Despite lesser talent surrounding them. They lift up others.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Here is the plan offered by the Never-Murrays:

Step One - Get rid of Kyler Murray immediately!

Step Two - ???????????

Step Three - A higher level of success for the Arizona Cardinals!

Should have never signed him to that big contract.