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The Devin Booker non-appreciation thread.
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reality check: Part 3
WHY IT MATTERS
if you joined a 30 team fantasy league with a $400 admission and $12,000 prize for the title winner (based on statistical performance under a salary cap), no one would want Devin Booker.
the truth is, despite the media manipulations in the AZ market, Booker is a poor value. Yet, the truth messenger is attacked and the thread is asked to be "cancel-cultured." And the "negativity" narrative fails too. Otherwise past Durant, Ayton, Nurkic, CP3, and coaching critics or disrespecters could have faced similar censorship and personal attacks.
oh well, it's just a game, right? The problem is, it applies to every aspect of society. Coincidentally, i just saw this quote on FB from a former KGB dis-information expert on the process of ideological subversion:
if someone would unleash irrational, personal vitriol on a neighbor, who, like them, wants what's best for the home team, but disagrees about one basketball player, how would they react to the propaganda about brothers and sisters identified with other religions, races, politics, etc.?
you're seeing the dismantling of reality and civility all around you, step by step. In regards to the Suns, you're seeing one owner running a disinformation campaign to keep you buying jerseys, sneakers, and tickets, and advertiser's products for short-term gain instead of sacrificing some of today's profits for longer term viability in the sport.
in society, you're seeing nothing short of the dismantling of democracy. But that's a discussion for the politics thread. Though i must add this urgency...
a.i. is the most significant invention in history. It could save human life on earth. But based on the public's willingness to allow short-term profiteers to control it and feed us misinformation and lies, it will likely be our destruction. At this rate, it will be a matter of a few years before we're at the deceptor's mercy.
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CONCLUSION: GETTING IT RIGHT. WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU AS A SUN'S FAN?
WHY IT MATTERS
if you joined a 30 team fantasy league with a $400 admission and $12,000 prize for the title winner (based on statistical performance under a salary cap), no one would want Devin Booker.
the truth is, despite the media manipulations in the AZ market, Booker is a poor value. Yet, the truth messenger is attacked and the thread is asked to be "cancel-cultured." And the "negativity" narrative fails too. Otherwise past Durant, Ayton, Nurkic, CP3, and coaching critics or disrespecters could have faced similar censorship and personal attacks.
oh well, it's just a game, right? The problem is, it applies to every aspect of society. Coincidentally, i just saw this quote on FB from a former KGB dis-information expert on the process of ideological subversion:
if someone would unleash irrational, personal vitriol on a neighbor, who, like them, wants what's best for the home team, but disagrees about one basketball player, how would they react to the propaganda about brothers and sisters identified with other religions, races, politics, etc.?
you're seeing the dismantling of reality and civility all around you, step by step. In regards to the Suns, you're seeing one owner running a disinformation campaign to keep you buying jerseys, sneakers, and tickets, and advertiser's products for short-term gain instead of sacrificing some of today's profits for longer term viability in the sport.
in society, you're seeing nothing short of the dismantling of democracy. But that's a discussion for the politics thread. Though i must add this urgency...
a.i. is the most significant invention in history. It could save human life on earth. But based on the public's willingness to allow short-term profiteers to control it and feed us misinformation and lies, it will likely be our destruction. At this rate, it will be a matter of a few years before we're at the deceptor's mercy.
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CONCLUSION: GETTING IT RIGHT. WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU AS A SUN'S FAN?
"In regards to the Suns, you're seeing one owner running a disinformation campaign"
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Part 4: CONCLUSION:
GETTING IT RIGHT. WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU AS A SUN'S FAN?
YOU and I own the Suns. We pay the player's salary. But you allow a middle-man to run the team and exploit the true owners for his own benefit.
The nba players have a player's union to protect them against owner greed. Imagine if you had that protection.
1. Players would make a few million and be delighted to get the fame and adoration playing the game they love and still be able to live like a millionaire.
2. Tickets, jersey's, etc.. would be fairly priced so everyone working for the Suns is paid a living wage.
3. Profits above expenses would go back to the community (instead of a player photo op next to one basketball court they build for the needy, local kids could get the healthcare every other developed nation provides for their kids, etc.)
4. Instead of you scrambling from one service subscription to another to watch a sports game, they would be broadcast from one station with limited commercial interruptions.
5. Manager's and even player's could be publicly voted on periodically, like the all-star game, but with the same technology that protects banking online.
it is ALL extremely doable. You just need to be able to resist the smoke-screeners and suppressors they corrupt with their distractions and static. Right now, together, WE have THE POWER OF THE PURSE, even if they manipulate the vote.
i'm not the enemy here. i'm on your side. and we're all on the same team -- currently being run in basketball, as in society, by people who's long term interests are in direct conflict with our own.
this, my friends, has been a public service announcement. which you likely already knew, but hesitate to admit due to peer pressure to "fit in."
it starts with critical thinking. in all things
go suns/us!
GETTING IT RIGHT. WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU AS A SUN'S FAN?
YOU and I own the Suns. We pay the player's salary. But you allow a middle-man to run the team and exploit the true owners for his own benefit.
The nba players have a player's union to protect them against owner greed. Imagine if you had that protection.
1. Players would make a few million and be delighted to get the fame and adoration playing the game they love and still be able to live like a millionaire.
2. Tickets, jersey's, etc.. would be fairly priced so everyone working for the Suns is paid a living wage.
3. Profits above expenses would go back to the community (instead of a player photo op next to one basketball court they build for the needy, local kids could get the healthcare every other developed nation provides for their kids, etc.)
4. Instead of you scrambling from one service subscription to another to watch a sports game, they would be broadcast from one station with limited commercial interruptions.
5. Manager's and even player's could be publicly voted on periodically, like the all-star game, but with the same technology that protects banking online.
it is ALL extremely doable. You just need to be able to resist the smoke-screeners and suppressors they corrupt with their distractions and static. Right now, together, WE have THE POWER OF THE PURSE, even if they manipulate the vote.
i'm not the enemy here. i'm on your side. and we're all on the same team -- currently being run in basketball, as in society, by people who's long term interests are in direct conflict with our own.
this, my friends, has been a public service announcement. which you likely already knew, but hesitate to admit due to peer pressure to "fit in."
it starts with critical thinking. in all things
go suns/us!
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you know better than anyone, that for 7 years, including yesterday, i've been saying Booker's key problem is poor decision making in crunch-time, in particular, taking 3's when we only need 1 or 2 to win.
and i always said i'm ok with Booker missing a shot, as long as it's a good shot. Neither the one he made yesterday or the air ball tonight was a good decision
the reason we are back to being the best clutch shooting team since under CP3's leadership is that we have 3 other guys who have been clutch and the ball was moving to them.
WTF, is the new coach thinking to let one on one, Booker-ball back after the success we've had moving away from that?
the grand irony, is that, tonight, Durant-ball beat Booker-ball! Durant took all the heat last season but at least he was more capable, as he's been his whole career.
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"In one line expose yourself to never having played fantasy sports!"
What a banger.
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correct. but petty and besides the point. i could have said MY fantasy league, which works any way i want for the illustration
i see you indulge your hostilities for me in this thread but in the game thread you and others criticize Booker for the very same things -- while i, respectfully, don't poop on threads that attract sensitive fans
i also have no idea why i'm now a "banger" on top of "hilariously ignorant" and "delusional."
an honest question. i know you've been on this forum a long time, but can you tell me how old you are?
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for a sobering perspective you won't get in on Suns Live tonight or the very active Devin Booker Is Greatest Sun thread" as he enters the top 100 scorers.
in the history of the NBA with over 5,000 players...
(19.27 avg. per 36)
in the history of the NBA with over 5,000 players...
(19.27 avg. per 36)
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OMG dude, do you really think that there's anyone who doesn't understand your point by now? This is at least the 100th time you've said the same thing. The people who don't agree with you aren't going to suddenly start agreeing with you because you changed your formatting.
when do the aliens come into play
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facts matter. The fact is, in 7 years i have never shared that stat in any format. Here's another never shared before or shown on Suns TV or radio or in the Booker Appreciation thread:
now, if you wanted to honestly complain about redundancy, count how many times Booker's point rankings appear in the Booker Appreciation thread. As i type Suns TV is pumping Booker's stats.
i'll grant you this. My point is redundant. Because fans like you dismiss the fact-based criticism as mere "opinion" and the cherry pickers keep "formatting" an illusion that, in reality, prevents us all from enjoying more competitive seasons that don't end in collapse.
Actually I did not weigh in on Booker one way or another. I just think it's fair to say that people have their minds made up by this point.
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true. but we ALL keep expressing our opinions and not changing. Without that redundancy, this site would be obsolete. At least, i'm introducing facts.
i never heard anyone "OMG" the Booker hype, propaganda, and cherry picking we must endure every frigging game, on TV, radio, and this forum.
now, even statistical facts are dismissed as "alien" conspiracies
OMG!
i know there are fans here, maybe even yourself, who understand the facts and recognize the illusion. Yet we all invest over 300 hours watching this team play, and only a few acknowledge that reality behind the marketing.
so many, so eager to serve as the foot-soldiers of the profiteer's marketing machine, despite the fact that the Suns investing so heavily in one significantly flawed player is against the best interest of the fans and community.
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There is no one more obsessed with Booker on this forum than you, by 5,000 miles. It is literally the only thing you post about.
You are the demon of your nightmares.
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now, you're talking
we're having a surprise season because we've got competent shooters and our formula is good-old team offense, movement, and aggressive defense
i'm concerned that the past 2 weeks games have been closing with more one on one, as Eddie J criticized last game
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yup. just like the stats BOP and Hoop quoted:
when Booker has 8+ assists we usually win.
when he scores big, we usually lose.
it makes sense. and it depends on what he focuses on
in the olympics he was asked to focus on defense.
on the Suns he pivots from scoring to assisting
but seldom scores AND assists significantly on one night
if he wasn't so expensive, we could build a contender
but now, with Green coming back,
i think we lose some defense and some key players won't get enough touches
anyway, now that we're all on the same page
i can retire
when Booker has 8+ assists we usually win.
when he scores big, we usually lose.
it makes sense. and it depends on what he focuses on
in the olympics he was asked to focus on defense.
on the Suns he pivots from scoring to assisting
but seldom scores AND assists significantly on one night
if he wasn't so expensive, we could build a contender
but now, with Green coming back,
i think we lose some defense and some key players won't get enough touches
anyway, now that we're all on the same page
i can retire
Why not quote the actual stats I was describing? They kill your narrative. My description wasn't entirely accurate. 2 extra points a game isn't "big" and we don't necessarily lose just have a worse winning percentage.
Oh, yeah, doing that would kill your narrative. Misquote and misconstrue stats to push an agenda while claiming everyone else is bias, right? Seriously dude, start a blog because you aren't interested in open or honest discussions and only want to push your own take.
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indeed, my friend, it's not about 2 points. the truth is an interesting thing. it always comes back. the results and ALL OF THE STATS point to the same conclusion (and have for a decade). It speaks to the fundamentals of basketball and LIFE, not the guy who wears #1.
he who takes the most shots scores the most points,
but team success in basketball, as in life,
is not hoarding the wealth (salary cap),
sharing the rock,
playing offense AND defense
AND optimizing shot selection.
this thread is not about criticizing one player
it's about critical thinking
he who takes the most shots scores the most points,
but team success in basketball, as in life,
is not hoarding the wealth (salary cap),
sharing the rock,
playing offense AND defense
AND optimizing shot selection.
this thread is not about criticizing one player
it's about critical thinking
Critical thinking isn't twisting stats to fit your need. Since you've decided to do so and now want to claim it's been happening for a decade I figured I'd let you in on something, Booker averages 2.6 more points a game in wins vs losses, which is a much larger sample size as there's more than 700 game's played vs the 30 or whatever when I looked that up before. Maybe cherry pick a different stat? Btw it's not just scoring but usage and shooting is higher in wins as well.
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you complain about cherry picking, say "2 points doesn't matter" then cherry pick one stat over 700 games that swings 2 points the other way. Irrelevant give that i while i already posted what's happening this season...
but offense is half the picture. so i posted a dozen of the most key stats this year and he compares poorly on everything (and it would be worse last year)...
apparently, Laker fans and sports writer's don't bury their heads in the sand: Here's an article described as "math tells the awful truth..."
but offense is half the picture. so i posted a dozen of the most key stats this year and he compares poorly on everything (and it would be worse last year)...
apparently, Laker fans and sports writer's don't bury their heads in the sand: Here's an article described as "math tells the awful truth..."
What to do with a 41-year-old LeBron James? A Lakers conundrum
The Lakers need to make a move if they have title hopes. Could they trade LeBron?www.yahoo.com
LINEUP COMBINATIONS OFF RTG DEF RTG NET RTG Doncic-James-Reaves 108.9 118.7 -7.4 Doncic-James, no Reaves 117.5 119.6 -2.1 Doncic-Reaves, no James 124.5 110.3 +14.2 James-Reaves, no Doncic 121.6 124.2 -2.5
"What does this chart tell us about the Lakers? It tells us they have no shot, mathematically, of competing, if James is on the floor. It is not realistic to think they will compete without James, either. They cannot bench one of the game's greatest-ever players — and his max salary — and hope to win." - senior writer for Yahoo Sports
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you sir. are not debate worthy. and no one wants repetition here.
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Hilarious pontification from a guy who only has one line of conversation.
Excellent to hear that we all own the suns. I will call my financial advisor and let him know. Any idea what percentage we will receive when the suns are sold?
I guess I also own Google, Amazon, HP, Microsoft and Wells Fargo. Thank you for letting us know we own every company we pay money to, should really help my retirement portfolio.
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oh taz, you really don't know do you? you absolutely own the Suns and every other business. You pay every salary. You decide whether a business succeeds or fails. Same goes for the politicians who are public servants we pay to serve us. We are brainwashed to accept that we are powerless.
the Suns are a good example. Fans have been told for a decade that the Suns = Booker. He's on the posters, the ads, and the announcers work his hype and isolated, cherry-picked stats every game. Visually, he takes shots like he's Kobe or Jordan, he's among the leaders in having the ball in his hands (and cash/salary). But, on both ends of the court, statistically, he's mediocre and the rest of the league knows it, most often passing on him for All Star selection.
his true strength is his marketability -- face, jersey's, shoes, etc.. His agent and Suns org manages him (the product), but the community owns him. If we don't buy he's out. I'm actually the truer Suns fan, because i want what's best for the team and town, instead of the profiteers.
as per the yahoo article, "math tells the awful truth..." about Lebron James. AND about Devin Booker too. he's a bad investment to own
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