OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

AI went back pretty far but I just went to 2010 and only one QB was drafted, Colt McCoy, who started 36 games. So that one hit will skew many years of data

You get that AI didn’t do anything but paraphrase that other website, don’t you?

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

2011 one QB drafted Ryan Mallett that is a miss only 8 starts.
2012 Russell Wilson is a hit
2013 Mike Glennon started 31 games
2014 No QB drafted
2015 Garrett Grayson (who?), Sean Mannion both misses
2016 Cody Kessler Miss. Jacoby Brissett 64 starts
2017 Davis Webb and CJ Beathard Beathard only 13 starts
2018 Mason Rudolph 19 starts
2019 Will Grier Miss
2020 No QB Drafted

So 2010 to 2020 only 12 QBs taken in Round 3. One hall of famer. 3 others have more than 2 seasons of starts.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

You get that AI didn’t do anything but paraphrase that other website, don’t you?

Well it went through 17 sources and listed them all. You seem to have a real issue with AI

 

[Mulli]

2011 one QB drafted Ryan Mallett that is a miss only 8 starts.
2012 Russell Wilson is a hit
2013 Mike Glennon started 31 games
2014 No QB drafted
2015 Garrett Grayson (who?), Sean Mannion both misses
2016 Cody Kessler Miss. Jacoby Brissett 64 starts
2017 Davis Webb and CJ Beathard Beathard only 13 starts
2018 Mason Rudolph 19 starts
2019 Will Grier Miss
2020 No QB Drafted

So 2010 to 2020 only 12 QBs taken in Round 3. One hall of famer. 3 others have more than 2 seasons of starts.

so AI says Mike Glennon is good?

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Do you really believe. That it’s a better than one in ten shot you get a guy who is going to start for “at least a few years” in the third round of the draft?

Buddy. Let’s not just copy and paste garbage here.

This was needlessly rude and incorrect.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

so AI says Mike Glennon is good?

No, as I said, the percentage of pro bowlers is incredibly small after round 1. But you can find a guy that can start a bit. I think Willis is a round 3 guy and he is definitely going to start because someone is going to pay him.

Honestly looking at all those drafts, round 3 should be WRs, CBs and IOL. Lots of hits in those.

 

[Mulli]

What does “can start” mean though?

Should start? Can win?

Or can allow the franchise to pretend they are trying?

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

What does “can start” mean though?

Should start? Can win?

Or can allow the franchise to pretend they are trying?

The qualification was "Started more than 2 seasons worth of games"

All data tells you that if you want a QB to make even a single pro bowl, you should be taking them in round 1.

 

[Mulli]

The qualification was "Started more than 2 seasons worth of games"

All data tells you that if you want a QB to make even a single pro bowl, you should be taking them in round 1.

Yes!

Thank you for your patience.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

If we end up signing Malik Willis, there is a good chance he is just the new Kevin Kolb.

 

[football karma]

If we end up signing Malik Willis, there is a good chance he is just the new Kevin Kolb.

at least the Cards wouldnt have traded a starting CB + draft capital for him

 

[urs]

If we end up signing Malik Willis, there is a good chance he is just the new Kevin Kolb.

Didn't we have an extremely flukey 4-0 start to a season behind him?

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Didn't we have an extremely flukey 4-0 start to a season behind him?

Now I have to look. I just remember he had like 4 good games with Philly and we said "Yup sample size is good"

Very much like Willis.

LOL no we did not have a good start. He started 3-6 before the mighty John Skelton finished the year 5-2 to give us a rare 8-8 season

 

[Shane]

Didn't we have an extremely flukey 4-0 start to a season behind him?

with an impressive road win against Tom Brady and the Patriots to start this season if I recall correctly

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Skelton's career stats are hideous. 17 starts. 53.2% completion percentage. QB Rating of 63 QBR 26.4

 

[urs]

Now I have to look. I just remember he had like 4 good games with Philly and we said "Yup sample size is good"

Very much like Willis.

LOL no we did not have a good start. He started 3-6 before the mighty John Skelton finished the year 5-2 to give us a rare 8-8 season

The following year

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

with an impressive road win against Tom Brady and the Patriots to start this season if I recall correctly

You all are thinking of 2012 not 2011

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The following year

Yep 4 wins followed by 9 straight losses, a win, and 2 more losses. We finished 5 and 11 baby. -107 point diff. Good times

 

[urs]

Yep 4 wins followed by 9 straight losses, a win, and 2 more losses. We finished 5 and 11 baby. -107 point diff. Good times

Average Cards year, just that we grouped most all of our wins all in one spot...similar to this year.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

A year with Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, and Hoyer QBing the team produced 2 more wins and a 10 point better point differential than the 2025 Cards.

Those 4 QBs combined for 11 passing TDs to 21 INTs while throwing to Fitz, Micheal Floyd, and Andre Roberts

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

can't forget Logan and mighty max lol

A year with Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, and Hoyer QBing the team produced 2 more wins and a 10 point better point differential than the 2025 Cards.

Those 4 QBs combined for 11 passing TDs to 21 INTs while throwing to Fitz, Micheal Floyd, and Andre Roberts

 

[Mulli]

A year with Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, and Hoyer QBing the team produced 2 more wins and a 10 point better point differential than the 2025 Cards.

Those 4 QBs combined for 11 passing TDs to 21 INTs while throwing to Fitz, Micheal Floyd, and Andre Roberts

That system didn’t work

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

BTW, Whisenhunt, who had taken us to a super bowl, was fired after that 5 and 11 season.

 

[Shane]

You all are thinking of 2012 not 2011

Ahhhh

 

[kerouac9]

2011 one QB drafted Ryan Mallett that is a miss only 8 starts.
2012 Russell Wilson is a hit
2013 Mike Glennon started 31 games
2014 No QB drafted
2015 Garrett Grayson (who?), Sean Mannion both misses
2016 Cody Kessler Miss. Jacoby Brissett 64 starts
2017 Davis Webb and CJ Beathard Beathard only 13 starts
2018 Mason Rudolph 19 starts
2019 Will Grier Miss
2020 No QB Drafted

So 2010 to 2020 only 12 QBs taken in Round 3. One hall of famer. 3 others have more than 2 seasons of starts.

For the team that drafted them? I don’t really care for this exercise whether Glennon started games for the Cards and the Giants and Jags at the end of his career.

As we’ve just seen, you have to actually add value in that role also. Every team is going to start a quarterback every week.