OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Brian in Mesa]

This is not going to be good going forward. What if Murray plays horrible vs Cowboys? Will they really bench him mid game? Let him play it out with this O-line and possibly get injured?

With Kyler Murray we know two things: He was really good in high school and he has never lost a football game at AT&T Stadium.

 

[Chopper0080]

How about the line is you crack 1000 yards as a BARE MINIMUM, especially in a 17 game season. In year 2, Marv again isn’t even on track to do that with drops in every game, running wrong routes, looking lazy, not blocking, etc.

Ok. How does the quality of the QB factor into that? Or does it? Is every WR who doesn't exceed 1000 yards a failure?

I guess I believe that a player can be disappointing while also not being a problem.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

How about the line is you crack 1000 yards as a BARE MINIMUM, especially in a 17 game season. In year 2, Marv again isn’t even on track to do that with drops in every game, running wrong routes, looking lazy, not blocking, etc.

He really does run extremely lazy routes, which is why almost all of his catches are contested. I don't know his separation stats, but I'm assuming they're not very good. Very concerning.

 

[Shane]

Parsons is special, but I don’t think he gets 3 sacks if Kyler was in there. He was able to pin his ears back against an immobile QB.

Does it really matter Kyler would have thrown it in the dirt to avoid a sack or dumped it off on a 1 yard route where Dorch gets pummeled right away

 

[DVontel]

Does it really matter Kyler would have thrown it in the dirt to avoid a sack or dumped it off on a 1 yard route where Dorch gets pummeled right away

Brit has a similar response. Please follow the rest of that conversation.

 

[Stout]

Ok. How does the quality of the QB factor into that? Or does it? Is every WR who doesn't exceed 1000 yards a failure?

I guess I believe that a player can be disappointing while also not being a problem.

When the team drafts you and expects you to be a #1 WR, it is a big problem when you can only manage to be a #2 WR. This is a current problem.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He really does run extremely lazy routes, which is why almost all of his catches are contested. I don't know his separation stats, but I'm assuming they're not very good. Very concerning.

What are you basing he runs lazy routes on? Is it because it looks effortless to you? If he was running lazy routes, he'd be called out on it or not playing. He seems to be open quite a bit to me. I guess if you're wanting 3 yards of separation every play, then you're right. Open in the NFL is about 1/2 to 1 step advantage. He does need to make the contested catch better but that was also a very good play by the DB yesterday punching the ball out. Still, he should secure that catch quicker.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What are you basing he runs lazy routes on? Is it because it looks effortless to you? If he was running lazy routes, he'd be called out on it or not playing. He seems to be open quite a bit to me. I guess if you're wanting 3 yards of separation every play, then you're right. Open in the NFL is about 1/2 to 1 step advantage. He does need to make the contested catch better but that was also a very good play by the DB yesterday punching the ball out. Still, he should secure that catch quicker.

It ain’t just fans. He CONSISTENTLY gets called out as running lazy routes by announcers and guys who have played the game.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When the team drafts you and expects you to be a #1 WR, it is a big problem when you can only manage to be a #2 WR. This is a current problem.

What's the most targets he's had in a game? Jamar Chase was just targeted 23 TIMES his last game. Hard to put up big numbers when you don't get targets.
I agree, he is #2 option in this offense because McBride is clearly #1. That's a scheme thing.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

MHJ is the perfect example of the son of a famous player. "Hey, if dad did it, I can do it." Then he excels in college, is expected to get picked high, and acts like the rules don't apply to him at the combine, etc. He's going to do things "his way" with the guidance of his famous father. Well, how's that been working out so far for MHJ?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

What are you basing he runs lazy routes on? Is it because it looks effortless to you? If he was running lazy routes, he'd be called out on it or not playing. He seems to be open quite a bit to me. I guess if you're wanting 3 yards of separation every play, then you're right. Open in the NFL is about 1/2 to 1 step advantage. He does need to make the contested catch better but that was also a very good play by the DB yesterday punching the ball out. Still, he should secure that catch quicker.

He does get open on occasion, but there's a reason he's not getting many receptions, because he's usually blanketed by a DB. You can catch him jogging on routes at least 4-5x a game. He quit on his route vs Ten that caused an INT. He rarely attacks the DB at the top of his routes to get separation...it's almost like he isn't even really trying to get open. His lack of aggression is why he's not as successful as he should be.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It ain’t just fans. He CONSISTENTLY gets called out as running lazy routes by announcers and guys who have played the game.

He was last year in Seattle game I believe. But I haven't heard much about that in a long time.
Please give me some examples of ex-players calling him out.

I 100% agree he needs to be better but it's more on scheme and QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He was last year in Seattle game I believe. But I haven't heard much about that in a long time.
Please give me some examples of ex-players calling him out.

I 100% agree he needs to be better but it's more on scheme and QB.

The announcers were talking the same thing in the SF game where he was a catastrophe and during the Seattle TNF game this year at halftime Herbstreet just ripped him a new butthole in an entire segment centered around whats wrong with Harrison showing how it looks like it doesn’t look like he’s playing hard out there, jogging, maybe putting the weight on was a bad move, disengaged. That was THREE games ago dude!

Come on… take the blinders off.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't call what Herbstriet saying ripping him a new butthole.
He was struggling and needed to play better, which we all have said.
He's been pretty good since the 2nd half of that game with his limited opportunities.

 

[Stout]

What's the most targets he's had in a game? Jamar Chase was just targeted 23 TIMES his last game. Hard to put up big numbers when you don't get targets.
I agree, he is #2 option in this offense because McBride is clearly #1. That's a scheme thing.

I'm not looking at numbers. I'm looking at a guy who doesn't use his hands right or create enough separation. He's playing like a #2 WR, not a #2 receiving option.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldn't call what Herbstriet saying ripping him a new butthole.
He was struggling and needed to play better, which we all have said.
He's been pretty good since the 2nd half of that game with his limited opportunities.

Good lord man. He was saying all the things you said people haven’t said since last year.

That was only 3 games ago. Which means he was still getting that kind of shade into his second… eh forget it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Of course he did.
Marvin had the worst drop you're going to see all year, maybe ever, earlier this year. He deserves some criticism.
People are talking about him being lazy, slow, and dogging it.

Thats not the case. But, He's had issues.

Plus, I asked where have ex-players talked about him dogging it and being bad.
Because I've actually talked to ex-players, be it OSU guys, and a guy who coaches for the Cards and his work ethic and effort are not an issue.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm not looking at numbers. I'm looking at a guy who doesn't use his hands right or create enough separation. He's playing like a #2 WR, not a #2 receiving option.

He is top 32 in WR receiving yards per game...despite being the #2 receiving option.

 

[Adrian]

Cardinals’ Murray to return against Cowboys as team looks to turn season around

GLENDALE — The Arizona Cardinals received good news heading into their bye week after a tough stretch. Quarterback Kyler Murray is set to make his return to action against the Dallas Cowboys in two weeks, according to NFL insider Adam Schefter who broke the news on the Pat McAfee Show.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[Stout]

He is top 32 in WR receiving yards per game...

So, basically a #2 WR. Also, how's he stack up in TDs?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So, basically a #2 WR. Also, how's he stack up in TDs?

You don't think scheme matters?
How did AJ Brown go from a top 5 WR to a guy you really can't even start in fantasy because he gets no chances?
Did he all of a sudden stink? Or is it the Philly offensive play calling.

Look at yesterday. They decided to throw the ball and Brown had a great game.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Of course he did.
Marvin had the worst drop you're going to see all year, maybe ever, earlier this year. He deserves some criticism.
People are talking about him being lazy, slow, and dogging it.

Thats not the case. But, He's had issues.

Plus, I asked where have ex-players talked about him dogging it and being bad.
Because I've actually talked to ex-players, be it OSU guys, and a guy who coaches for the Cards and his work ethic and effort are not an issue.

In December '24 Brittan Golden described Harrison's route running as "lazy" and not "aggressive".

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Who???
Ok. I'm proven wrong. If Brittany Golden says so, I must be.
I'll quit talking to Santonio Holmes and Devier Posey if Golden says so.

 

[Mulli]

Who???
Ok. I'm proven wrong. If Brittany Golden says so, I must be.
I'll quit talking to Santonio Holmes and Devier Posey if Golden says so.

Less than 12 months ago even!!

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Less than 12 months ago even!!

Might as well have been yesterday!