OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[602 Native]

It seems you believe that Murray can not realize his potential with the Arizona Cardinals, and the Cardinals are not going to change to fit Murray's style of play. Don't you think it is best that Murray be traded or released for the betterment of both? I think you and the "hate Murray fans" are saying the same thing.

Im ok with moving on from K1.

Im not ok with not having someone at least on the team that I think is the future.

I have seen that movie several times with this team I don't want to see it again.

 

[BritCard]

Im ok with moving on from K1.

Im not ok with not having someone at least on the team that I think is the future.

I have seen that movie several times with this team I don't want to see it again.

We already have someone who's not the future so what's the difference?

 

[602 Native]

We already have someone who's not the future so what's the difference?

He might not be the future but he aint ass which is what the Cards have had outside of K1, Warner, and Palmer.

 

[BritCard]

He might not be the future but he aint ass which is what the Cards have had outside of K1, Warner, and Palmer.

He's pretty much ass now. I admit he wasn't always, he was very promising early, then good for a season or two, but for the last 3 seasons he's been pretty bad and getting worse all the time. He's at least ass adjacent.

Not like Josh Rosen ass but for a 7 year vet it's bad. Like wishes he was as good as 2015 Andy Dalton bad.

 

[602 Native]

He's pretty much ass now.

This is why no one should listen or engage with you.

 

[BritCard]

This is why no one should listen or engage with you.

Wait, just let me look up the definition of ass in the quarterback almanac....

Under 6 YPA - You ass
Less than 190 yards per game - You ass
Sub 90 passer rating - You ass
Bottom 10 in most metrics - You ass

Stats don't lie.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I don't know what happened but I haven't seen Kyler throw a ball that looked like this for years. The only one I remember is the shot to Rondale Moore vs the Texans in 2023.

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Where is that guy now?

Haven't seen him here in a long time

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don't know what happened but I haven't seen Kyler throw a ball that looked like this for years. The only one I remember is the shot to Rondale Moore vs the Texans in 2023.

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It's seriously like watching another QB - we haven't seen this guy for years.

 

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[Russ Smith]

That's not remotely how the Chiefs use Worthy. That's more how they use Thornton.

And it wouldn't make any difference, when we had Hollywood here I recall more interceptions trying to hit him deep than receptions. Brown's ADoT here was 11.5 yards, Marv is average 12.9. Mike Wilson has a higher aDot than when Hollywood was here with 11.8.

Kyler's accuracy deep has been dogshit since 2021. So we don't throw them much.

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So worthy had a near 40 yard reception AND run in the first game back despite them not using him that way?

Again Mahomes literally said it over and over in the post game, teh threat of his speed on the field makes our offense more dangerous

 

[unseenaz]

So worthy had a near 40 yard reception AND run in the first game back despite them not using him that way?

Again Mahomes literally said it over and over in the post game, teh threat of his speed on the field makes our offense more dangerous

Yeah that’s true, but you have to hit a receiver on those deep routs to make a defense respect it.

 

[602 Native]

Yeah that’s true, but you have to hit a receiver on those deep routs to make a defense respect it.

Our WRs can't catch short routes, medium routes, or deep routes.

Not to mention they don't have speed to get seperation deep. Kind of like the dudes on the Chiefs prior to Worthy coming back.

The Chiefs are going to be hell to deal with when Rice comes back and Mahomes might lock up another MVP this year.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Where is that guy now?

Haven't seen him here in a long time

He's right here my friend!

HIGHLIGHTS: Kyler Murray's Best Plays From Week 2 Win Over The Los Angeles Rams

 

[BritCard]

Chris Simms has been one of Kyler's biggest fans and even he's cashing out. From 4.30.

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[602 Native]

Chris Simms has been one of Kyler's biggest fans and even he's cashing out. From 4.30.

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So you’re a Simms over Warner fan.

That explains everything

 

[Russ Smith]

Chris Simms has been one of Kyler's biggest fans and even he's cashing out. From 4.30.

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He said he's disappointed absolutely.

Same video he says he was never one of the people all that high on Marv had him rated below Nabers and Thomas Jr before the draft, never saw him make plays that popped off the screen, but even he is surprised how ineffective Marv has been.

Not a very positive video if you're a Cards fan

 

[BritCard]

So you’re a Simms over Warner fan.

That explains everything

Warner didn't say anything like what you think

 

[BritCard]

He said he's disappointed absolutely.

Same video he says he was never one of the people all that high on Marv had him rated below Nabers and Thomas Jr before the draft, never saw him make plays that popped off the screen, but even he is surprised how ineffective Marv has been.

Not a very positive video if you're a Cards fan

He said Marv is great, just not the superstar he was made out.

He also said Kyler has a year, maybe two before his times up and that he's had enough time and has to start showing something.

 

[Russ Smith]

He said Marv is great, just not the superstar he was made out.

He also said Kyler has a year, maybe two before his times up and that he's had enough time and has to start showing something.

They also called out JJ McCarthy, as they said he only has a fastball has no touch no ability to drop the ball into openings etc.

I think Simms is reading the board

 

[daves]

He's right here my friend!

HIGHLIGHTS: Kyler Murray's Best Plays From Week 2 Win Over The Los Angeles Rams

I sure miss that guy! If he made HALF those plays on a consistent basis, I'm pretty sure everyone here would be thrilled that he's the Cards QB & hoping for a contract extension.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

He's right here my friend!

HIGHLIGHTS: Kyler Murray's Best Plays From Week 2 Win Over The Los Angeles Rams

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[Crimson Warrior]

Where is that guy now?

Haven't seen him here in a long time

@BullheadCardFan, I think you and I are far, far apart on the Murray issue, which is totally cool.

I can understand guys when they say he's had more than enough time to show he can be the guy here (and he hasn't done it).

Are you so disgusted with Murray that against TEN you would start Jacoby "pass the BBQ sauce" Brissett? Is it that bad my friend?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

@BullheadCardFan, I think you and I are far, far apart on the Murray issue, which is totally cool.

I can understand guys when they say he's had more than enough time to show he can be the guy here (and he hasn't done it).

Are you so disgusted with Murray that against TEN you would start Jacoby "pass the BBQ sauce" Brissett? Is it that bad my friend?

Not yet

But I along with many others are just frustrated with him

He shows flashes and then disappears

At this point I'm ready to move on from him unless he can hit a switch and make it all work

And I'll add as this will be brought up, the OC is not doing the offense good

Along with the poor game plans he needs to hold KM accountable and not let him slide on doing the work to improve. JG ruined it in the beginning by being so easy on him. It's hard to go back on someone you didn't hold accountable and make it so.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

@Crimson Warrior

BTW the reason some are calling for Brissett is that they want to see him in this offense to see if he can open up the downfield passing game

If he can't then more blame goes to the OC

If he can then we know KM is not going through his reads properly

Brissett is not the answer long term, he is fill in

 

[Chopper0080]

I have zero interest in watching Brissett play QB unless absolutely necessary.