OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Crimson Warrior]

This seems hyperbolic.

Effective communication is a critical trait of a leader. Since Kyler has been the QB of the Cardinals, there have been consistent issues with him miscommunicating with players and coaches. Multiple. Another key trait is putting others first. In 2021 Budda gets hurt and Kyler doesn't seem to notice. In 2025, MHJ is going through struggles, catches a nice TD, is emotional, and Kyler is nowhere to be seen in engaging with him.

I don't know what another QBs ceiling is with this team, but I do know what the ceiling is with Kyler. This is it.

Sorry, I edited that out.

 

[602 Native]

Thanks Kyle, hopefully we will! Just because the trash we started with Kyler out was trash doesn't mean Kyler's the guy. It means we didn't bring in anybody that could legitimately compete at the position. I mean, that might have threatened Kyler! Also, our GM was trying the long fifteen-year rebuild and did very little to help the situation. So, the normal conclusion is that Kyler is at fault, Monti is at fault, the coaching staff is at fault, and the owner is always at fault. I don't see or read anything to change the refrain.

Another thoughts and feelings post.

Youre amazing.

Just say we didn't bring in enough talent which directly falls on MO.
You have zero clue if we purposely didn't bring in anyone that would have "threatened" K1. Total conjecture.

The fact MO has taken this long and still hasn't fielded a competent offense and has zero pro bowlers from his draft is so concerning. I am sure though he has an eye for QB talent given him drafting Clayton Tune, Josh Dobbs, trading for Desmond Ridder, those dudes are amazing talents at the QB spot.

We will be just fine getting rid of K1 before getting his replacement behind him.

 

[602 Native]

Show us someone saying Geno Smith is a million times better, or anything equivalent. Search works for you too.

Take a seat you were one of the people lauding Geno just last year.

 

[602 Native]

This seems hyperbolic.

Effective communication is a critical trait of a leader. Since Kyler has been the QB of the Cardinals, there have been consistent issues with him miscommunicating with players and coaches. Multiple. Another key trait is putting others first. In 2021 Budda gets hurt and Kyler doesn't seem to notice. In 2025, MHJ is going through struggles, catches a nice TD, is emotional, and Kyler is nowhere to be seen in engaging with him.

I don't know what another QBs ceiling is with this team, but I do know what the ceiling is with Kyler. This is it.

I actually agree with this.

K1 is an introverted dude to say the least. The only time I have seen him get amped was when he had to deal with K2 and the boneheaded way he got in play calls.

Zero idea about putting others first. Comms is another issue however. It for sure falls on him and the coaching staff but I don't know if that is in him as a leader.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sorry, I edited that out.

No apologies needed. We just view the situation differently, and I enjoy reading your perspective.

 

[BritCard]

Take a seat you were one of the people lauding Geno just last year.

I had he was better than Kyler, he is. That's it. Nobody said he was a million times better.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's a good video.

But I am curious what you think is more likely...
That every single WR we have on the roster keeps screwing up his reads?
Or that the guy chucking the rock is misreading the defense?

There is only one common denominator.

I think it's more likely that a HOF QB and arguably the best QB in Cardinal history probably knows more about it than we do? And he was pretty clear in the video the Wr's are doing lots of things wrong that are impacting the offense and making Kylers' job harder

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

kyler typically throws it in less than 3 seconds unless he scrambles/leaves the pocket looking for easy short stuff - or a wr who has a clear step on their defender - he doesn't like to throw on the run to covered wide receivers - it's why kyler murray is not geno smith (7 interceptions) this year - instead kyler will keep it - and torture us with whether he throws it away or runs out of bounds lol - we need our wide receivers to break away before kyler does

 

[602 Native]

kyler typically throws it in less than 3 seconds unless he scrambles/leaves the pocket looking for easy short stuff - or a wr who has a clear step on their defender - he doesn't like to throw on the run to covered wide receivers - it's why kyler murray is not geno smith (7 interceptions) this year - instead kyler will keep it - and torture us with whether he throws it away or runs out of bounds lol - we need our wide receivers to break away before kyler does

The Eagles won yesterday without Hurts completing a single pass in the 2nd half.

Our offense wants to be the Eagles offense.

 

[602 Native]

I think it's more likely that a HOF QB and arguably the best QB in Cardinal history probably knows more about it than we do? And he was pretty clear in the video the Wr's are doing lots of things wrong that are impacting the offense and making Kylers' job harder

The amount of logic in this post goes against what the haters will tell you.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's really simple. Even you can understand it. Maybe I was too subtle in all my posts on the subject so I'll be more strident.

Here goes.

He's really bad at playing quarterback and he's ruining the team I support. Quarterback is supposed to be the most interesting position to watch, but I find him boring and tedious. I watch football as entertainment and Kyler is as entertaining as genital warts.

That's the story.

Can I ask were you a Cards fan when Jake Plummer was the QB? I loved the kid his rookie year but by mid 2nd year I started to realize the reason he had so many comebacks is he was constantly putting us behind by playing so poorly in the first half, in particular INT's. We kept changing OC's, we changed the offense, everything around him changed and it never got better and for 4 1/2 years I was here posting the kind of stuff you post about Kyler. So I get that.

Ironically one of the guys I used to call out as what a real QB looked like then, was Kurt Warner with the Rams.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

The Eagles won yesterday without Hurts completing a single pass in the 2nd half.

Our offense wants to be the Eagles offense.

do you can the cherries? bake pies?

 

[BritCard]

I think it's more likely that a HOF QB and arguably the best QB in Cardinal history probably knows more about it than we do? And he was pretty clear in the video the Wr's are doing lots of things wrong that are impacting the offense and making Kylers' job harder

He highlights some plays with mistakes by WR's but there's far more criticism in the video of Kyler. And this is Kurt, who will never outright criticise a fellow member of the QB club, but there's a bunch of "I want to see Kyler look over here first because the defence is set up like this" or "I want to see Kyler stand in the pocket longer because this guy is coming open if he doesn't scramble" or "This pass is never on, he should be passing to this guy".

 

[Russ Smith]

He highlights some plays with mistakes by WR's but there's far more criticism in the video of Kyler. And this is Kurt, who will never outright criticise a fellow member of the QB club, but there's a bunch of "I want to see Kyler look over here first because the defence is set up like this" or "I want to see Kyler stand in the pocket longer because this guy is coming open if he doesn't scramble" or "This pass is never on, he should be passing to this guy".

Ok but again the goalposts are being moved. We were talking about a specific play not the whole video. I agree and I've said that for awhile now Kyler is part of the problem.

Also you contradicted yourself you said there's far more criticism of Kyler and then said Kurt will never criticize a fellow QB.

 

[Stout]

Another thoughts and feelings post.

Youre amazing.

Just say we didn't bring in enough talent which directly falls on MO.
You have zero clue if we purposely didn't bring in anyone that would have "threatened" K1. Total conjecture.

The fact MO has taken this long and still hasn't fielded a competent offense and has zero pro bowlers from his draft is so concerning. I am sure though he has an eye for QB talent given him drafting Clayton Tune, Josh Dobbs, trading for Desmond Ridder, those dudes are amazing talents at the QB spot.

We will be just fine getting rid of K1 before getting his replacement behind him.

You're constant thoughts and feelings pro KM but disdain it when you claim--only claim--that others do it. Sniff his jock much?

 

[Stout]

No apologies needed. We just view the situation differently, and I enjoy reading your perspective.

Myself as well. @Crimson Warrior is the one Kyler poster who posts good stuff on the topic.

 

[BritCard]

Ok but again the goalposts are being moved. We were talking about a specific play not the whole video. I agree and I've said that for awhile now Kyler is part of the problem.

Also you contradicted yourself you said there's far more criticism of Kyler and then said Kurt will never criticize a fellow QB.

No, I said he struggles to outright criticise, by adding caveats or saying "I'd like to see" but it's still criticism, albeit often veiled.

 

[Adrian]

Kyler Murray needs poise in the pocket not at the press conference

Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray can make all the bold statements he wants, it's time for him to live up to the hype.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[BritCard]

Myself as well. @Crimson Warrior is the one Kyler poster who posts good stuff on the topic.

He's the only one that posts anything substantive. Everyone else is just "your wrong" or "Kyler isn't the problem it's X".

 

[BritCard]

I've come to the conclusion that Murray is just uncoachable. That his issues are so persistent but his self belief so deluded that I can only assume he thinks he's awesome and everything else is the problem. There's not the slightest sign of any improvement in any area he's always had issues, and he's regressed in areas that used to be strengths.

 

[602 Native]

I've come to the conclusion that Murray is just uncoachable. That his issues are so persistent but his self belief so deluded that I can only assume he thinks he's awesome and everything else is the problem. There's not the slightest sign of any improvement in any area he's always had issues, and he's regressed in areas that used to be strengths.

This is along the same lines as you saying Mahomes is mediocre now. Not realising you need actual weapons offensively to be good as a QB.

Oh by the way Mahomes has Xaiver Worthy back now and just smashed the Ravens after losing to the Chargers when you made that foolish claim.

 

[oaken1]

I think it's more likely that a HOF QB and arguably the best QB in Cardinal history probably knows more about it than we do? And he was pretty clear in the video the Wr's are doing lots of things wrong that are impacting the offense and making Kylers' job harder

or, I dunno...maybe Kurt,...good guy that he is,...is just protecting his position like every other QB out there has done on multiple occasions.
I can totally see that point when it continually happens with just one particular WR... but it is every WR we have. Has been every WR we have had other than DHop... and Hop had an uncanny ability to track and adjust to go after the ball...and even he got tired of dealing with our quarterback....it makes zero sense to think it is the 6 guys that are screwing up rather than the 1.
if it is in fact the 6 guys...then we need to fire the WR coach yesterday

 

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[602 Native]

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AI is seriously a menace.

 

[WisconsinCard]

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