Will our QB finally get the monkey off his back?

[Cardinal88]

I voted yes because I assumed it was a little monkey. If it's a big monkey, all bets are off.

 

[PACardsFan]

Verifiable hyperbole. Over the top hyperbole. I should know; I'm the resident hyperbole master. Like, I'm perfect at hyperbole

I recall a large number of games where our outgunned defense kept the offense in games and Kyler just couldn't get it done. One specifically, he literally threw away. Somehow you actually believe it's unfair to judge any of Kyler's play against him because it's always someone else's fault. But you hyperbolize you, PA!

Whatever your recall is, it’s wrong. The 2019 was atrocious, & the 2020 defense wasn’t much better. The 2021 D was great for the first 7 games & Kyler was 7-0 during that stretch. Then the D was hit with a rash of injuries, as was the O-Line & DHop. Only then did this team eventually falter. The 2022 season had DHop suspended, had a slew of injuries, and then Murray got hurt. The 2023 season was a roster completely taken to its studs & only played decently when Murray returned in week 11. The 2024 team was just good enough to beat the bad teams and not talented enough to beat the quality teams on the schedule. 8 of our 9 losses were to playoff teams that had significantly more talent than we had & the other loss to Carolina only happened because both Conner & Benson were injured, as was half of our entire OL. And let’s not forget that our defense wasn’t much better attrocious in that game, giving up more than 250 rushing yards. You can try to be other people, but the facts don’t jive with Kyler being the reason why this team didn’t make the playoffs last year. Without Murray, this was a 4 win team in 2024, maybe worse.

 

[PACardsFan]

For the crowd who thinks Kyler cannot be judged on past performance because he hasn't had a perfect team around him, well, you are all clearly judging him to be at best a mediocre QB. Great and very good QBs can and do elevate their team, often. Kyler doesn't.

Sorry not sorry that I'm out on Kyler. Were he a day 2 or 3 pick, I'd be a lot more lenient. As a 1st overall "generational talent" pick, he stinks.

Asinine post. Murray didn’t come out with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, or Burrow. Had he & we chose Kyler over any of those guys, then you would have a right to your point. Murray was drafted into a situation where he had less of a chance to succeed than the other 4 QB’s. To say he isn’t generational is fair, but to say he stinks is asinine.

 

[PACardsFan]

I hope this year Murray is the player we hoped for when we drafted him.

At times, he has exactly been the player we hoped for. The problem is that the overall talent of this team hasn’t allowed him to consistently be what we needed to be completely successful. After all the changes that MOJG have made since 2023, does anyone really think that Murray would still be here if they didn’t think Kyler wasn’t a legit franchise QB?? No way.

 

[PDXChris]

Can the monkey throw past 10 yards? If so, keep the monkey and let him throw the ball.

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[Goodyear Card]

At times, he has exactly been the player we hoped for. The problem is that the overall talent of this team hasn’t allowed him to consistently be what we needed to be completely successful. After all the changes that MOJG have made since 2023, does anyone really think that Murray would still be here if they didn’t think Kyler wasn’t a legit franchise QB?? No way.

His contract does nor allow him to be cut. Every year next year's contract is gauranteed. We have 2 more years of Murray. He had 16 turnovers last year. That is atrocious. You can't blame that on the defense.

 

[oaken1]

His contract does nor allow him to be cut. Every year next year's contract is gauranteed. We have 2 more years of Murray. He had 16 turnovers last year. That is atrocious. You can't blame that on the defense.

16 turnovers ain't that big a deal.
Kyler has a shitton of faults but ball security ain't one of them.
If we are gonna make a change at some point we just have to take the hit...but with a rookie QB we could afford too

 

[Stout]

Asinine post. Murray didn’t come out with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, or Burrow. Had he & we chose Kyler over any of those guys, then you would have a right to your point. Murray was drafted into a situation where he had less of a chance to succeed than the other 4 QB’s. To say he isn’t generational is fair, but to say he stinks is asinine.

Oh, I'm so sorry; I didn't realize I had no "right" to my point lol I didn't realize that, because future HOF QBs weren't in the same draft, that makes Kyler an actual great generational QB. Wow, that point is totally valid! lol Talk about an asinine post.

Psst: We didn't have to draft a QB #1 overall. Shocking, I know, but we were allowed to draft another position!

 

[Stout]

Whatever your recall is, it’s wrong. The 2019 was atrocious, & the 2020 defense wasn’t much better. The 2021 D was great for the first 7 games & Kyler was 7-0 during that stretch. Then the D was hit with a rash of injuries, as was the O-Line & DHop. Only then did this team eventually falter. The 2022 season had DHop suspended, had a slew of injuries, and then Murray got hurt. The 2023 season was a roster completely taken to its studs & only played decently when Murray returned in week 11. The 2024 team was just good enough to beat the bad teams and not talented enough to beat the quality teams on the schedule. 8 of our 9 losses were to playoff teams that had significantly more talent than we had & the other loss to Carolina only happened because both Conner & Benson were injured, as was half of our entire OL. And let’s not forget that our defense wasn’t much better attrocious in that game, giving up more than 250 rushing yards. You can try to be other people, but the facts don’t jive with Kyler being the reason why this team didn’t make the playoffs last year. Without Murray, this was a 4 win team in 2024, maybe worse.

Yeah, not reading this mélange of nonsense. I will give you credit for being so very, very self-righteous, tho.

 

[Stout]

At times, he has exactly been the player we hoped for. The problem is that the overall talent of this team hasn’t allowed him to consistently be what we needed to be completely successful. After all the changes that MOJG have made since 2023, does anyone really think that Murray would still be here if they didn’t think Kyler wasn’t a legit franchise QB?? No way.

So Kyler is never the problem? That's a new, innovative take.

BTW, a stupid contract and salary cap ramifications say that, yes, clearly, there are reasons to keep a player that isn't a legit franchise QB.

 

[slanidrac16]

At times, he has exactly been the player we hoped for. The problem is that the overall talent of this team hasn’t allowed him to consistently be what we needed to be completely successful. After all the changes that MOJG have made since 2023, does anyone really think that Murray would still be here if they didn’t think Kyler wasn’t a legit franchise QB?? No way.

Yes because Bidwill and his contract.

 

[PACardsFan]

His contract does nor allow him to be cut. Every year next year's contract is gauranteed. We have 2 more years of Murray. He had 16 turnovers last year. That is atrocious. You can't blame that on the defense.

His touchdown to interception ratio for his career is outstanding.

 

[PACardsFan]

Oh, I'm so sorry; I didn't realize I had no "right" to my point lol I didn't realize that, because future HOF QBs weren't in the same draft, that makes Kyler an actual great generational QB. Wow, that point is totally valid! lol Talk about an asinine post.

Psst: We didn't have to draft a QB #1 overall. Shocking, I know, but we were allowed to draft another position!

Apology accepted.

 

[PACardsFan]

So Kyler is never the problem? That's a new, innovative take.

BTW, a stupid contract and salary cap ramifications say that, yes, clearly, there are reasons to keep a player that isn't a legit franchise QB.

There is NO QB in the NFL that is never the problem. He just isn’t THE problem that is holding back this franchise.

 

[PACardsFan]

Yes because Bidwill and his contract.

Let’s not kid ourselves. If MOJG didn’t want Kyler to be their franchise QB, he’d be gone.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Okay G88!

Look I admit he's preformed poorly in critical, late-season situations. The Murray faithful are all holding our breath until he shows he can win even just a playoff-spot clinching game.

But since I think most of your takes are very reasonable, let me ask you a question:

Just on a week in, week out basis. How much do you think the WR room has held Murray back since 2022?

Respect your take always crimson-

No argument there up until last year- I’m not saying it had any chance of a top offense with the experience and scheme of this unit being very immature- but Kyler definitely had a fair share of missed opportunities- which is why we still debate this topic a year later.

 

[oaken1]

Respect your take always crimson-

No argument there up until last year- I’m not saying it had any chance of a top offense with the experience and scheme of this unit being very immature- but Kyler definitely had a fair share of missed opportunities- which is why we still debate this topic a year later.

even with all that considered...I think we still finished as the #12 offense right??
all these problems. all these under developed players we complain about. our conservative style, our totally no creativity having OC,...and a defense that did not get us the ball back....and we were almost top 10
seems to me that just some minor improvement in a couple areas should jump us right into the 6-8 range this season...maybe even top 5 if the defense starts winning the takeaway battle

 

[Goodyear Card]

His touchdown to interception ratio for his career is outstanding.

https://www.footballdb.com/leaders/career-passing-tdintratio

 

[slanidrac16]

Let’s not kid ourselves. If MOJG didn’t want Kyler to be their franchise QB, he’d be gone.

Don’t kid yourself. Did you forget who our owner is?

 

[daves]

His touchdown to interception ratio for his career is outstanding.

You must have a different definition of "outstanding" from mine.

Ranking this year's 30 starting QBs with prior NFL experience, plus Jacoby Brissett just for fun, by career regular season Total TDs / Ints:

Rank	Name	PassTD	Int	RushTD	FL	TD/Int
1​	Aaron Rodgers	503​	116​	35​	8​	4.64​
2​	Lamar Jackson	166​	49​	33​	15​	4.06​
3​	Jalen Hurts	85​	39​	55​	9​	3.59​
4​	Patrick Mahomes	245​	74​	14​	2​	3.50​
5​	Jayden Daniels	25​	9​	6​	0​	3.44​
6​	Russell Wilson	350​	111​	31​	11​	3.43​
7​	Justin Herbert	137​	45​	13​	1​	3.33​
8​	Caleb Williams	20​	6​	0​	2​	3.33​
9​	Joe Burrow	140​	46​	12​	1​	3.30​
10​	Josh Allen	195​	84​	65​	14​	3.10​
11​	Dak Prescott	213​	82​	29​	6​	2.95​
12​	Jacoby Brissett	53​	24​	15​	5​	2.83​
13​	Bo Nix	29​	12​	4​	0​	2.75​
14​	CJ Stroud	43​	17​	3​	3​	2.71​
15​	Brock Purdy	64​	27​	8​	0​	2.67​
16​	Jordan Love	60​	25​	5​	2​	2.60​
17​	Kyler Murray	115​	57​	31​	7​	2.56​
18​	Jared Goff	222​	94​	12​	8​	2.49​
19​	Tua Tagovailoa	100​	44​	6​	5​	2.41​
20​	Matthew Stafford	377​	188​	15​	7​	2.09​
21​	Justin Fields	45​	31​	19​	2​	2.06​
22​	Baker Mayfield	171​	90​	10​	4​	2.01​
23​	Daniel Jones	70​	47​	15​	7​	1.81​
24​	Trevor Lawrence	69​	46​	14​	6​	1.80​
25​	Drake Maye	15​	10​	2​	2​	1.70​
26​	Joe Flacco	257​	162​	16​	5​	1.69​
27​	Bryce Young	26​	19​	6​	1​	1.68​
28​	Sam Darnold	98​	68​	14​	6​	1.65​
29​	Geno Smith	105​	72​	12​	6​	1.63​
30​	Michael Penix	3​	3​	1​	0​	1.33​
31​	Spencer Rattler	4​	5​	0​	0​	0.80​

Ranking by career regular season Passing TDs / Ints:

Rank	Name	PassTD	Int	RushTD	FL	PassTD/Int
1​	Aaron Rodgers	503​	116​	35​	8​	4.34​
2​	Lamar Jackson	166​	49​	33​	15​	3.39​
3​	Caleb Williams	20​	6​	0​	2​	3.33​
4​	Patrick Mahomes	245​	74​	14​	2​	3.31​
5​	Russell Wilson	350​	111​	31​	11​	3.15​
6​	Justin Herbert	137​	45​	13​	1​	3.04​
7​	Joe Burrow	140​	46​	12​	1​	3.04​
8​	Jayden Daniels	25​	9​	6​	0​	2.78​
9​	Dak Prescott	213​	82​	29​	6​	2.60​
10​	CJ Stroud	43​	17​	3​	3​	2.53​
11​	Bo Nix	29​	12​	4​	0​	2.42​
12​	Jordan Love	60​	25​	5​	2​	2.40​
13​	Brock Purdy	64​	27​	8​	0​	2.37​
14​	Jared Goff	222​	94​	12​	8​	2.36​
15​	Josh Allen	195​	84​	65​	14​	2.32​
16​	Tua Tagovailoa	100​	44​	6​	5​	2.27​
17​	Jacoby Brissett	53​	24​	15​	5​	2.21​
18​	Jalen Hurts	85​	39​	55​	9​	2.18​
19​	Kyler Murray	115​	57​	31​	7​	2.02​
20​	Matthew Stafford	377​	188​	15​	7​	2.01​
21​	Baker Mayfield	171​	90​	10​	4​	1.90​
22​	Joe Flacco	257​	162​	16​	5​	1.59​
23​	Trevor Lawrence	69​	46​	14​	6​	1.50​
24​	Drake Maye	15​	10​	2​	2​	1.50​
25​	Daniel Jones	70​	47​	15​	7​	1.49​
26​	Geno Smith	105​	72​	12​	6​	1.46​
27​	Justin Fields	45​	31​	19​	2​	1.45​
28​	Sam Darnold	98​	68​	14​	6​	1.44​
29​	Bryce Young	26​	19​	6​	1​	1.37​
30​	Michael Penix	3​	3​	1​	0​	1.00​
31​	Spencer Rattler	4​	5​	0​	0​	0.80​

Yep, there he is, "outstanding" in the lower half of the rankings, below his backup.

If you really believe that Murray's "touchdown to interception ratio for his career is outstanding", perhaps that explains your irrationally rabid defense of the guy. Or maybe you're just trolling?? Honest question.

 

[daves]

https://www.footballdb.com/leaders/career-passing-tdintratio

Well, dang, by the time I collected all of those stats into a spreadsheet, you beat me to it! Good source!

 

[oaken1]

You must have a different definition of "outstanding" from mine.

Ranking this year's 30 starting QBs with prior NFL experience, plus Jacoby Brissett just for fun, by career regular season Total TDs / Ints:

Rank	Name	PassTD	Int	RushTD	FL	TD/Int
1​	Aaron Rodgers	503​	116​	35​	8​	4.64​
2​	Lamar Jackson	166​	49​	33​	15​	4.06​
3​	Jalen Hurts	85​	39​	55​	9​	3.59​
4​	Patrick Mahomes	245​	74​	14​	2​	3.50​
5​	Jayden Daniels	25​	9​	6​	0​	3.44​
6​	Russell Wilson	350​	111​	31​	11​	3.43​
7​	Justin Herbert	137​	45​	13​	1​	3.33​
8​	Caleb Williams	20​	6​	0​	2​	3.33​
9​	Joe Burrow	140​	46​	12​	1​	3.30​
10​	Josh Allen	195​	84​	65​	14​	3.10​
11​	Dak Prescott	213​	82​	29​	6​	2.95​
12​	Jacoby Brissett	53​	24​	15​	5​	2.83​
13​	Bo Nix	29​	12​	4​	0​	2.75​
14​	CJ Stroud	43​	17​	3​	3​	2.71​
15​	Brock Purdy	64​	27​	8​	0​	2.67​
16​	Jordan Love	60​	25​	5​	2​	2.60​
17​	Kyler Murray	115​	57​	31​	7​	2.56​
18​	Jared Goff	222​	94​	12​	8​	2.49​
19​	Tua Tagovailoa	100​	44​	6​	5​	2.41​
20​	Matthew Stafford	377​	188​	15​	7​	2.09​
21​	Justin Fields	45​	31​	19​	2​	2.06​
22​	Baker Mayfield	171​	90​	10​	4​	2.01​
23​	Daniel Jones	70​	47​	15​	7​	1.81​
24​	Trevor Lawrence	69​	46​	14​	6​	1.80​
25​	Drake Maye	15​	10​	2​	2​	1.70​
26​	Joe Flacco	257​	162​	16​	5​	1.69​
27​	Bryce Young	26​	19​	6​	1​	1.68​
28​	Sam Darnold	98​	68​	14​	6​	1.65​
29​	Geno Smith	105​	72​	12​	6​	1.63​
30​	Michael Penix	3​	3​	1​	0​	1.33​
31​	Spencer Rattler	4​	5​	0​	0​	0.80​

Ranking by career regular season Passing TDs / Ints:

Rank	Name	PassTD	Int	RushTD	FL	PassTD/Int
1​	Aaron Rodgers	503​	116​	35​	8​	4.34​
2​	Lamar Jackson	166​	49​	33​	15​	3.39​
3​	Caleb Williams	20​	6​	0​	2​	3.33​
4​	Patrick Mahomes	245​	74​	14​	2​	3.31​
5​	Russell Wilson	350​	111​	31​	11​	3.15​
6​	Justin Herbert	137​	45​	13​	1​	3.04​
7​	Joe Burrow	140​	46​	12​	1​	3.04​
8​	Jayden Daniels	25​	9​	6​	0​	2.78​
9​	Dak Prescott	213​	82​	29​	6​	2.60​
10​	CJ Stroud	43​	17​	3​	3​	2.53​
11​	Bo Nix	29​	12​	4​	0​	2.42​
12​	Jordan Love	60​	25​	5​	2​	2.40​
13​	Brock Purdy	64​	27​	8​	0​	2.37​
14​	Jared Goff	222​	94​	12​	8​	2.36​
15​	Josh Allen	195​	84​	65​	14​	2.32​
16​	Tua Tagovailoa	100​	44​	6​	5​	2.27​
17​	Jacoby Brissett	53​	24​	15​	5​	2.21​
18​	Jalen Hurts	85​	39​	55​	9​	2.18​
19​	Kyler Murray	115​	57​	31​	7​	2.02​
20​	Matthew Stafford	377​	188​	15​	7​	2.01​
21​	Baker Mayfield	171​	90​	10​	4​	1.90​
22​	Joe Flacco	257​	162​	16​	5​	1.59​
23​	Trevor Lawrence	69​	46​	14​	6​	1.50​
24​	Drake Maye	15​	10​	2​	2​	1.50​
25​	Daniel Jones	70​	47​	15​	7​	1.49​
26​	Geno Smith	105​	72​	12​	6​	1.46​
27​	Justin Fields	45​	31​	19​	2​	1.45​
28​	Sam Darnold	98​	68​	14​	6​	1.44​
29​	Bryce Young	26​	19​	6​	1​	1.37​
30​	Michael Penix	3​	3​	1​	0​	1.00​
31​	Spencer Rattler	4​	5​	0​	0​	0.80​

Yep, there he is, "outstanding" in the lower half of the rankings, below his backup.

If you really believe that Murray's "touchdown to interception ratio for his career is outstanding", perhaps that explains your irrationally rabid defense of the guy. Or maybe you're just trolling?? Honest question.

Try ranking by guys who have played enough to have 100 TD passes...clear out all those backups and three year guys who were being protected by their OC.
Kyler is pretty close to top ten then.
Sample size counts.

 

[oaken1]

I picked 100 because it's the nfl standard.
Coaches win percentages are only ranked when they have coached at least 100 games

 

[kerouac9]

I picked 100 because it's the nfl standard.
Coaches win percentages are only ranked when they have coached at least 100 games

He goes from 17th of 31 to 9th of 15. Still below average.

 

[daves]

Try ranking by guys who have played enough to have 100 TD passes...clear out all those backups and three year guys who were being protected by their OC.
Kyler is pretty close to top ten then.
Sample size counts.

The fact that he ranks well below career backups and guys who have only been in the league for a year or two is even more damning. He's only going to fall farther behind the young guys as they gain experience.