OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Oh and he had to pay back that 4.2 million he got from baseball so reduce those first 3 years down to 26 million.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Whle Druw Jones is a good one to bring up, him missing his entire rookie year was a big setback. Started off ice cold but last 28 days he is .389 OBP with a .772 OPS.

So the honest answer I would put his ETA at 2027 when he will be 23.

QBs in the NFL are amongst the shortest careers in sports. Sure there are massive payouts if you are decent but most never get there. Beyond the initial rookie deal, careers are just shorter in the NFL.

The average NFL quarterback career length varies depending on the source, but recent data suggests it is around 3 to 4.4 years, or about 30 games. This shorter average, especially for quarterbacks, is influenced by the physical demands and quick turnover at the position, though exceptional players can have much longer careers

Average MLB OF Career: 5.5 years

Average NFL salary 2.8 million. Average MLB salary: 4.98 Million

So let's dive even more into Druw Jones. Jones has already pocketed his 8.9 million. His slot value for his contract is $9.785 million

Kyler Murray's first 3 years he earned 30 million. Druw Jones first 3 years when he hits the majors? $38 million

You're talking career of your AVERAGE quarterback. A GIS shows that:

While there isn't a specific career length for only first-round quarterbacks, a 2013 analysis indicated first-round picks had an average of 8.4 seasons in the NFL, significantly longer than the overall average of 3-4 years.

Kyler amongst many other completely mid QB's have proven that you don't have to be anything more than a decent but not great QB to be filthy rich.

There just isn't an MLB equivalent to it.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

You're talking career of your AVERAGE quarterback. A GIS shows that:

While there isn't a specific career length for only first-round quarterbacks, a 2013 analysis indicated first-round picks had an average of 8.4 seasons in the NFL, significantly longer than the overall average of 3-4 years.

Kyler amongst many other completely mid QB's have proven that you don't have to be anything more than a decent but not great QB to be filthy rich.

There just isn't an MLB equivalent to it.

I have so hilariously wrecked the argument already.

 

[oaken1]

I have so hilariously wrecked the argument already.

You have so hilariously done mental gymnastics all over it yet proven nothing but your inability to admit you may be wrong

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

You have so hilariously done mental gymnastics all over it yet proven nothing but your inability to admit you may be wrong

I brought actually facts and figures to the discussion. You guys have brought thoughts and feelings

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

My stuff:

Actual data supported facts and even contractual knowledge

The other side:

I feel Murray has bad character and here are my feelings about it

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

When you get owned after you bring in Druw Jones like a gotcha moment. Yikes

 

[AZCB34]

My stuff:

Actual data supported facts and even contractual knowledge

The other side:

I feel Murray has bad character and here are my feelings about it

Who brought bad character into this part of the conversation? You might be right but I don’t buy your argument.

 

[oaken1]

I brought actually facts and figures to the discussion. You guys have brought thoughts and feelings

Boomer

Facts haven't mattered in an argument since the nineties

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Who brought bad character into this part of the conversation? You might be right but I don’t buy your argument.

Multiple people have made comments about his work ethic and greed in this discussion

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Boomer

Facts haven't mattered in an argument since the nineties

That was funny. Gen X though

I didn't want to give you a laughy face though because you might misinterpret it.

 

[oaken1]

That was funny. Gen X though

I didn't want to give you a laughy face though because you might misinterpret it.

Lol..GenX here too but I'm sure you have been called boomer as much as I have...

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Lol..GenX here too but I'm sure you have been called boomer as much as I have...

Yeah the older you get, the less a decade difference matters

 

[PDXChris]

Multiple people have made comments about his work ethic and greed in this discussion

And that he is afraid to take a hit. This smile tells me otherwise!

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[Cheesebeef]

lol… it’s gonna be a loooong couple weeks.

 

[AZCB34]

Multiple people have made comments about his work ethic and greed in this discussion

Every pro athlete is greedy. Nothing wrong with it because even those of us who aren’t pro athletes can be greedy. Those dudes have a small window to make as much as they can.

His work ethic is well documented, some good and some bad, but it also appears as though maybe he is trying to change that?

 

[BritCard]

Imagine watching football and not knowing Sean Payton is a great coach.

Yeah, Sean Payton is a great coach. If it was just as easy as having a great coach then QB's wouldn't be getting paid $60m a year.

Thanks though for confirming that Kliff is a great QB coach, with what he has done with Jayden Daniels...

 

[BritCard]

Wrong again my friend!

Murray's 2024 7.1 YPC puts him in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs in terms of pushing the ball downfield.

Furthermore, if McBride, on a shorter route, is the only receiver open, then who is he supposed to throw it to?

Because Michael Wilson, our "high powered NFL WR2", is damn sure not open.

YPC and aDot are very different things.

Kyler's aDot was 31st in the league. Only 3 starters were worse.

 

[BritCard]

Sure would be nice if, at some point in the last 6 years, we had been able to read an article like this about Murray.

Jayden Daniels spent the offseason scouting himself. It’s already paying off

Kyler was recently on Arizona Sports and said he has no issues with accuracy downfield, when over the last 3 years he's been the worst in the league. This is not a man who looks in the mirror much.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Did I say it was a fact that he did that? Or is that what you just wanted to see?

No one needs football to start more than you do. Jesus.

Nope just that he “probably did.” Based on hopes and dreams.

Sorry I’m bothering you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I mean...I don't think it is a far stretch. The convo probably depends on what you consider is doing extra. Kyler has been reported as doing things with teammates outside of the facility with a variety of groups. There are videos of him training at the facility in the off-season. So, I think it is fair to say he meets or slightly exceeds the off-the-field work demand. I have a tough time believing he could be as good as he is if he didn't.

If that extra work is paying off is a different convo. Conner has obviously impacted Kyler from a teammate, physical work standpoint. I feel like Kyler connects personally with his teammates better now. I just don't believe that whatever he is doing to refine his QB skills is working or enough. He has not yet found a way to mitigate his size limitations.

Maybe we’re talking different things. When I hear “off the field” I think mental preparation. The study part. We see what you’re talking about but we don’t even hear about the studying part.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Instead of being joyful & grinning for the “Gotcha” moment & coming to defend your buddy’s honor, how about you reread that thread again. Matter of fact, start with page 9 where I insert myself into the conversation. I agreed “Kyler was being Kyler” (negative connotation).

So, no, not like I did.

I love these meaningless throw away comments that are just meant to deflect away from talking football and stir disrespect on the board.

 

[BritCard]

You're being too kind - he's currently in the range of top 15. If these rooks come on strong and 2nd year guys (Williams, Nix, Maye) leapfrog him, we're looking at a top 20 QB. Yikes.

Not even top 15 according to most around the league.

I looked through 8 QB rankings for 2025 from the usual sources. ESPN execs, coach and scouts poll, Chris Simms, Bleacher, PFF, CBS, SI, Underdog etc and excluded anything fantasy related.

If I put them all together the top 32 consensus rankings were,

• Josh Allen (Bills)
• Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs)
• Lamar Jackson (Ravens)
• Joe Burrow (Bengals)
• Jalen Hurts (Eagles)
• Jayden Daniels (Commanders)
• Justin Herbert (Chargers)
• Jared Goff (Lions)
• Matthew Stafford (Rams)
• C.J. Stroud (Texans)
• Baker Mayfield (Buccaneers)
• Brock Purdy (49ers)
• Jordan Love (Packers)
• Tua Tagovailoa (Dolphins)
• Geno Smith (Raiders)
• Dak Prescott (Cowboys)
• Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars)
• Bo Nix (Broncos)
• Kyler Murray (Cardinals)
• Caleb Williams (Bears)
• Sam Darnold (Seahawks)
• J.J. McCarthy (Vikings)
• Drake Maye (Patriots)
• Michael Penix Jr. (Falcons)
• Bryce Young (Panthers)
• Cam Ward (Titans)
• Aaron Rodgers (Steelers)
• Justin Fields (Jets)
• Anthony Richardson (Colts)
• Joe Flacco (Browns)
• Russell Wilson (Giants)
• Tyler Shough (Saints)

It's fair to say any one ranking could be wrong, but 8 combined gives a pretty accurate view of how the league sees the current QB's in the NFL.

Kyler is 19th. Every guy behind Kyler is a likely bust, over the hill or still unproven (less than 2 years in the league). The league basically thinks Kyler is the worst of the QB's that aren't a placeholder or unproven.

 

[BritCard]

He was a number one overall pick who self admitted he didn’t put the work in that he should and still got a massive 1/4 billion extension.

No guarantee in baseball he was ever gonna be able to transition to the major leagues and/or hit with a wooden bat. Many can’t. Etc…. Neither are easy. But clearly his path in the NFL imo was a better more guaranteed fit. Based on results, I’d say his choice wasn’t wrong.

The guy drafted 9th the year after Kyler spent 4 years in the minors before playing an MLB game, was traded from his original team and has a career earnings so far of $10m. And he also now plays for the A's.

NFL was clearly the easier and more lucrative path.

 

[DVontel]

Nope

Correct answer. Good job.