Seattle Seahawks @ Arizona Cardinals Pre Game Thread. 12/01/24-12/07/24

[BritCard]

With a roster this young, exposing them to playoff football would be invaluable. That said, meaningful games after Pearl Harbor Day was the ideal in camp.

Sure, lots of practical upside, it's just not my personal priority, I'm more interested in winning the division. After that they can get blown out by Green Bay in a home game full of cheeseheads for the experience,

 

[BritCard]

I need to see him with a real #2 WR

He had Hopkins, Kirk and AJ Green...

 

[Harry]

And he looked like he was progressing. I think this offense fits him better but I think he deserves better targets. He no doubt has issues but I think he’s good enough to win.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Sure, lots of practical upside, it's just not my personal priority, I'm more interested in winning the division. After that they can get blown out by Green Bay in a home game full of cheeseheads for the experience,

Just like ATL was going to come to AZ and rout us in the 1st round of the 2008 playoffs, sure.

 

[Covert Rain]

I need to see him with a real #2 WR

Meh. He has had some good Tight Ends and pass catching backs. That isn't Kyler's problem.

 

[kerouac9]

I need to see him with a real #2 WR

What kind of player are we talking about here? A truly overqualified second banana like Higgins, Addison, Waddle, or DeVonta Smith?

Sure, lots of practical upside, it's just not my personal priority, I'm more interested in winning the division. After that they can get blown out by Green Bay in a home game full of cheeseheads for the experience,

Those are the same thing. We have a less than 10% shot at a wild card berth. I don’t understand what the distinction is.

 

[imaCafan]

We have a #2 right now in MHJ (who hopefully turns into a great #1 by next year). He needs a good #1 like Hopkins this season, which they don’t have right now.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

cc: drew petzing

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[football karma]

What kind of player are we talking about here? A truly overqualified second banana like Higgins, Addison, Waddle, or DeVonta Smith?

how about an experienced NFL vet that can take advantage of single coverage regularly? Maybe Mike gets there next season. I dont think he is there at this moment.

two pretty good teams -- the Lions and Eagles are both run oriented like the Cards, but both also invested first round picks for 2nd WRs: Lions-- Williams, a 1st Rd pick. Eagles -- Smith a 1st round pick.

 

[DVontel]

Kyler doesn’t need a #2.

The offense in general needs a speeder/YAC threat. Something that Kyler, Petzing, or Gannon can’t fix right now. That was my worry before the season & it’s obviously a worry to everybody now.

 

[Stout]

Ending the year 8-9 would be disappointing, but I don’t really get how it sets the rebuild back.

Losing 5 of the last 7 games would crush morale and the idea of developing a winning mindset would take a giant hit.

 

[Stout]

obvs -- that would be terrible

but that more or less happened to the Eagles last year.

If the franchises, teams, rosters, etc, were in any way comparable, this would be a relevant comp.

 

[Shane]

Losing 5 of the last 7 games would crush morale and the idea of developing a winning mindset would take a giant hit.

Not buying this. An overall of doubling your wins from the previous season. The progression of the D and playing some legit teams close all year with a chance to win? I’d say the team would feel good overall and realize they have something to truly build on. JMO. Fans don’t like to hear it but there are some moral victories in a sense.

 

[Stout]

Not buying this. An overall of doubling your wins from the previous season. The progression of the D and playing some legit teams close all year with a chance to win? I’d say the team would feel good overall and realize they have something to truly build on. JMO. Fans don’t like to hear it but there are some moral victories in a sense.

Sorry, no. I will blast this team to kingdom come if they lose 5 of the last 7 and they will deserve it. It will also have shown Kyler can't win anything even approaching significance, which is a double whammy against the rebuild. How do you build for sustainable playoff access and success if you can't count on your highest plaid player/QB?

Eh, it'll all be elementary, right? We'll win out with Kyler playing hero ball and will go on a playoff run. Hey, a poster can dream, can't he?

 

[kerouac9]

Losing 5 of the last 7 games would crush morale and the idea of developing a winning mindset would take a giant hit.

Nah. Both those things are fake.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

we're not losing 5 of our last 7

 

[BritCard]

What kind of player are we talking about here? A truly overqualified second banana like Higgins, Addison, Waddle, or DeVonta Smith?



Those are the same thing. We have a less than 10% shot at a wild card berth. I don’t understand what the distinction is.

There is no distinction, I made that clear. I'm just not "Come on let's make the playoffs!"

I'm "Let's win the division, and see what happens in the payoffs but I expect to get blown out".

 

[Adrian]

Tyler Drake

@Tdrake4sports

Cardinals CB Garrett Williams' leadership "stems from him doing everything right and being a pro," HC Jonathan Gannon said Friday."In only his second year, he's a guy you can look to that his process is detailed, it's efficient and it's consistent. He stays disciplined to it."

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not buying this. An overall of doubling your wins from the previous season. The progression of the D and playing some legit teams close all year with a chance to win? I’d say the team would feel good overall and realize they have something to truly build on. JMO. Fans don’t like to hear it but there are some moral victories in a sense.

Overall the team may take a moral victory from a collapse like that would entail, but that doesn’t speak to establishing a winning culture, IMO. And it really won’t speak well for Kyler, moving forward.

All we heard all season was how tough our schedule is. If we were to collapse at the end of the season against the soft part of the schedule, that looks like a team stuck in mud or descending while making the first half look like a mirage.

Which sadly is the tale of our most important player’s entire career. And the more that pattern repeats itself, the longer the franchise will be in a holding pattern.

And for all those that will point to the Lions again, saying we’re following their same path following an 8-9 season will totally miss the fact that the Lions started their second season looking awful and then rose throughout the rest of the year, giving something to build on once they saw what was working. That’s very different than a total collapse against a soft schedule which will entail trying to figure out what went wrong and fixing just to get to back to mediocre and then also trying to get better as well.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

win 4 games in a row - lose 2 games in a row - neither of which we were favored in most all our eyes - but both games we should've won in most our eyes

im not chugging the koolaid - we're jinxed in the redzone right now - the redzone chokage is why we lost the last 2 games - our soul crushing offensive redzone chokage is also negatively effecting our defense

as far as doom and gloom goes - nobody knows until we play seattle - if we get smacked in our own house after getting smacked in there's? that alone sinks our chances at the division and flies in the face of any so called culture change

but... if we can lift this redzone curse on sunday and get in the damn enzone it's on like donkey kong

 

[Adrian]

Josh Weinfuss

@joshweinfuss

Jonathan Gannon said the key to containing Seahawks running back Kenneth Walker III is the track and angles on him, because he can break tackles so well and it's tough to bring down. "We got to do a good job of keeping a cup on the ball, having more than one hat on the ball, and wrapping up and getting him on the ground," Gannon said. Walker III had 41 yards in two weeks ago against Arizona on 16 carries, but had four catches for 52 yards.

 

[Adrian]

Josh Weinfuss

@joshweinfuss

The Cardinals are "a little pissed off this week," Jonathan Gannon said. He said that's a typical response after a loss but added that Thursday's practice was "highly competitive." "They're going to play how they practice, so, when we are on the grass, it's all business," Gannon said.

 

[football karma]

this is where the Cards are in terms of scoring a TD once in the redzone.

figures in order: season / last three games / last game / home % / road % / last year

23

Arizona

52.63%

38.46%

16.67%

76.47%

33.33%

62.79%

pretty odd for a team good at running the football

also: 4th in the NFL in converting goal to go 16/19. however, 0-3 the last two games.

 

[JosiahLee]

When the results exceed expectations.

I believe the defense has certainly overachieved while the offense was underperformed.

 

[Totally_Red]

I believe the defense has certainly overachieved while the offense was underperformed.

Really disappointed that MHJ hasn't played like a #4 overall pick. Nabors, or even Brian Thomas, have gotten off to better starts on worse teams.