POLL: Sean Payton in 2023 (Officially Going to Denver)

[dreamcastrocks]

Ehhhh... Payton's got more negotiating power than them. They're gonna be lucky to get anything, because Payton's got a nice TV gig sitting there and isn't hurting for money.

He can absolutely say "okay Saints, if you're not going to let me go where I want, you're getting nothing, bye bye."

That's fair. I was thinking about the teams that are wanting to acquire Payton. (Denver/AZ etc)

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They have control of an asset, which is worth precisely what someone is willing to pay for it.

Yes or no is the extent of their control until Payton's contract expires, and unless they've accepted something, it has precisely '0' value.

Yes, but that can be said for every contract.

 

[kerouac9]

Ehhhh... Payton's got more negotiating power than them. They're gonna be lucky to get anything, because Payton's got a nice TV gig sitting there and isn't hurting for money.

He can absolutely say "okay Saints, if you're not going to let me go where I want, you're getting nothing, bye bye."

I think that’s why NFL rules are the team has to agree to compensation before the discussion with the coach-under-contract. Then the deals in place either the coach likes the opportunity or not.

And teams don’t fall in love with a coach or vice versa and the franchise is suddenly like “two firsts please.”

Any compensation for Payton is a benefit. New Orleans won’t get anything for him now, anyway.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's fair. I was thinking about the teams that are wanting to acquire Payton. (Denver/AZ etc)

Also, Payton is unique that he is still pretty young and has a nice gig right now. He is not going to let the team acquiring him give up too big of a haul for him because that makes his job tougher.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Also, Payton is unique that he is still pretty young and has a nice gig right now. He is not going to let the team acquiring him give up too big of a haul for him because that makes his job tougher.

Good point. It is a weird situation.

 

[Totally_Red]

Payton has an excellent relationship with the owner. She is going to treat him fairly IMO. The Saints will get the equivalent of a first round pick but our second rounder and a 2024 pick should get the job done IMO. The #3 overall pick this year is a non-starter.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No, but THEY get to dictate terms. NO has all of the negotiating power.

Naw, they hold a wasting asset that’s only going to get less valuable to them as his contract winds down and does nothing to add to their organization in the present. Nor do they control with whom they can trade.

 

[slanidrac16]

You are naive to think there hasn’t been communication between Bidwill and Payton or his agent.
My guess is Sean would rather give up 2024 pick(s) if he was to become the head coach here.

Of course we are all making the big assumption he is even in the mix.

 

[SoonerLou]

So Middlekauff is saying Payton wants...




RYAN PACE as GM

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So Middlekauff is saying Payton wants...




RYAN PACE as GM

They have many years together in New Orleans.

 

[HairZach]

So Middlekauff is saying Payton wants...




RYAN PACE as GM

The guy who traded up to draft Trubisky #1 overall?

 

[BritCard]

The guy who traded up to draft Trubisky #1 overall?

If we judged every GM by their worst pick nobody would qualify.

Pace also won GM of the year in 2020.

He'd be a puppet anyway as Payton want's roster control.

 

[TheCardFan]

How did we give up Arians for nothing and Saints are asking #1 pick for Payton? Sheesh.

 

[Chopper0080]

If we judged every GM by their worst pick nobody would qualify.

Pace also won GM of the year in 2020.

He'd be a puppet anyway as Payton want's roster control.

I disagree on the last part but agree on the first.

Payton wants someone who sees eye to eye with him and he can communicate with. It is going to be a collaboration.

 

[lobo]

I disagree on the last part but agree on the first.

Payton wants someone who sees eye to eye with him and he can communicate with. It is going to be a collaboration.

HA HA HA He and Nagy spread that collaboration dung before they were both launched.

 

[Chopper0080]

HA HA HA He and Nagy spread that collaboration dung before they were both launched.

It isn't dung. A HC may not want the GM job but they still want a say and influence. If you have a guy you know you can do that with however you trust he is competent enough to handle the role, that is all you want as an HC.

 

[kerouac9]

It isn't dung. A HC may not want the GM job but they still want a say and influence. If you have a guy you know you can do that with however you trust he is competent enough to handle the role, that is all you want as an HC.

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the GM role. I think that the best GMs -- the guys who survive for 15-20 years in the role -- are great managers. Even elite talent evaluators are slaves to draft positioning and available prospects. Successful teams inevitably have a brain drain of assistant coaches and front office staffs. Good GMs make good decisions about (1) who they want around them in terms of directors, scouts, etc., and (2) where and how to allocate resources on the roster.

This second factor is driven mainly by the vision for a team, not the next team. Sometimes a good GM will have a clear vision for what makes a good team and the head coach he selects will share that vision. I think it's better in the long run to have a head coach that has a clear vision and a GM who can start slotting talent to fit the vision.

I don't mind creative conflict between HC and GM, as long as the vision is shared.

 

[Jasper]

As long as the HC and front office are on the same page unlike the last regime its all good to me.

 

[BritCard]

I disagree on the last part but agree on the first.

Payton wants someone who sees eye to eye with him and he can communicate with. It is going to be a collaboration.

Yes I agree. It will be a collaboration and they will work hand in hand. But I think Payton would have the final say right?

 

[lobo]

It isn't dung. A HC may not want the GM job but they still want a say and influence. If you have a guy you know you can do that with however you trust he is competent enough to handle the role, that is all you want as an HC.

if you paid attention to pace/nagy, we here in chicago had the fortune of hearing, you might have heard the word collaborate more times than was necessary.

 

[Syracusecards]

We be have received permission to talk to Sean. I imagine that would mean draft compensation has been agreed to but no way to know for sure. Pretty exciting though!!

 

[PDXChris]

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[Adrian]

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[Chopper0080]

Yes I agree. It will be a collaboration and they will work hand in hand. But I think Payton would have the final say right?

Probably but my guess is that would be reserved only for very critical decisions that are within the coaching spectrum.

To @kerouac9 point about GMs and how hey would work with Payton is mostly about communication and shared vision. Payton can communicate his wants and needs to the GM and the GM can work to get a staff in place that can deliver on those wants and needs.

It is like building a draft board. Stability in a front office and on a coaching staff leads to easier draft prep because everyone should know what type of players the team is looking for at each position.

 

[Chopper0080]

if you paid attention to pace/nagy, we here in chicago had the fortune of hearing, you might have heard the word collaborate more times than was necessary.

Having work in large organizations my entire life, collaboration is a word used a lot. Not unique to a short tenure with the Bears.