So What’s Wrong With Kyler Murray?

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lol.. okay so it’s cool to take a few words of a post and then write an alternate script for the original poster. That’s comical. !

Good lord it happens in every thread on every day in every season. Just respond and point out where he’s wrong. We reserve “trolls” for people who are only here to stir things up, not for posters discussing football.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That is exactly how I feel about this entire season. We aren't as good as our 10-2 record, and we aren't as bad as everyone says that we are now.

Hmm see I think we were as good as our 10-2 record during that stretch and we are as bad as we are playing now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL people pointing at PFF grades as anything.

Yeah I almost feel like any mention of PFF should be filtered out by the language filter at this point. Their rankings have been proven meaningless this season.

 

[Krangodnzr]

@DaHilg If he just maintained his play we could probably still at the top of the NFC. Cause other QBs have dipped as well. Joe Burrow is starting to light it up though.

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Other QBs have "regressed" as well @Krangthebrain. We're just not finding other ways to win despite not stellar QB play.

Bro this just further invalidates PFF.

Murray's PFF grade was LOWER earlier in the season.

 

[SoonerLou]

Yeah I almost feel like any mention of PFF should be filtered out by the language filter at this point. Their rankings have been proven meaningless this season.

Has it though? Seems like the only eye test vs grade people disagree on is Hudson.

Hicks, Simmons (poor grade), other interior Olineman, etc pretty much line up with the eye test or what people post here.

 

[SoonerLou]

Bro this just further invalidates PFF.

Murray's PFF grade was LOWER earlier in the season.

?? His passing grade was always high. It was Kyler taking bad sacks and our read option runs being pedestrian that kept his overall grade not matching up. When he was rushing for like 2 ypc and fumbling hurt his grade

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This isnt really to boost up Kyler. Its saying other QBs are "regressing" as well. HIs recent grade would have been average like last year as well.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Has it though? Seems like the only eye test vs grade people disagree on is Hudson.

Hicks, Simmons (poor grade), other interior Olineman, etc pretty much line up with the eye test or what people post here.

Didn’t beachum grade out as the greatest olinemen of all time earlier this season? And see krang a post above. PFF’s grades are hot garbage on an Arizona midsummer day.

 

[SoonerLou]

Didn’t beachum grade out as the greatest olinemen of all time earlier this season? And see krang a post above. PFF’s grades are hot garbage on an Arizona midsummer day.

lol no
Only Olineman we had that had a great overall grade was DJ last year. And it felt like DJ was the "best" player on offense.

 

[nashman]

Clearly he doesn’t trust the Oline and that’s clear in the numbers and stats when Hudson does or doesn’t play. Let’s not forget the center calls out all kinds of stuff and Hudson is one of the best I’m sure Kyler misses that. The problem is Kyler should not have to put the team on his back, we should have a D that can at least makes some stops get some turnovers, not give up 30 to the hapless Lions! Yeah Kyler has not looked great the last couple games but with all the pieces missing it’s understandable. Willing to bet any QB would struggle to win in the same situation! And don’t give me Wentz won without Oline crap, their backup Oline is better than ours is and Wentz had all day to throw against our ****** zone D that left guys wide open all day as usual. If you want to have examples don’t use teams playing against our D because that’s a joke. We rarely have guys wide open all day and give our QB 5-6 seconds to find them! The whole damn team needs to play better, people need to catch balls that hit their hands on O and D! We need to pressure opposing QBs and stop letting them stand back their all day! Plenty of blame to go around coaches and players need to be accountable and step the **** up and get this ship righted for the playoffs! There is still time and this team can still make some noise if we get out of our own way with stupid penalties and drops and playcalling, etc!

 

[DaHilg]

Clearly he doesn’t trust the Oline and that’s clear in the numbers and stats when Hudson does or doesn’t play. Let’s not forget the center all’s out all kinds of stuff and Hudson is one of the best I’m sure Kyler misses that. The problem is Kyler should not have to put the team on his back, we should have a D that can at least makes some stops get some turnovers, not give o up o 30 the the hapless Lions! Yeah Kyler has not looked great the last couple games but with all the pieces missing it’s understandable. Willing to bet any QB would struggle to win in the same situation! And don’t give me Wentz won without Oline men crap, their backup Oline is better than ours is and Wentz had all day to throw against our ****** zone D that left guys wide open all day as usual. If you want to have examples don’t use teams playing against our D because that’s a joke. We rarely have guys wide open all day and give our QB 5-6 seconds to find them! The whole damn team needs to play better, people need to catch balls that hit their hands on O and D! We need to pressure opposing QBs and stop letting them stand back their all day! Plenty of blame to go around coaches and players need to be accountable and step the **** up and get this ship righted for the playoffs! There is still time and this team can still make some noise if we get out of our own way with stupid penalties and drops and playcalling, etc!

This.. spot on. Nice post.

 

[BritCard]

@DaHilg If he just maintained his play we could probably still at the top of the NFC. Cause other QBs have dipped as well. Joe Burrow is starting to light it up though.

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Other QBs have "regressed" as well @Krangthebrain. We're just not finding other ways to win despite not stellar QB play.

This is more PFF nonsense. He has one of the worst passer ratings in the league the last 5 games and a 5/5 TD INT ratio. 17/5 before that.

 

[Stout]

Clearly he doesn’t trust the Oline and that’s clear in the numbers and stats when Hudson does or doesn’t play. Let’s not forget the center calls out all kinds of stuff and Hudson is one of the best I’m sure Kyler misses that. The problem is Kyler should not have to put the team on his back, we should have a D that can at least makes some stops get some turnovers, not give up 30 to the hapless Lions! Yeah Kyler has not looked great the last couple games but with all the pieces missing it’s understandable. Willing to bet any QB would struggle to win in the same situation! And don’t give me Wentz won without Oline crap, their backup Oline is better than ours is and Wentz had all day to throw against our ****** zone D that left guys wide open all day as usual. If you want to have examples don’t use teams playing against our D because that’s a joke. We rarely have guys wide open all day and give our QB 5-6 seconds to find them! The whole damn team needs to play better, people need to catch balls that hit their hands on O and D! We need to pressure opposing QBs and stop letting them stand back their all day! Plenty of blame to go around coaches and players need to be accountable and step the **** up and get this ship righted for the playoffs! There is still time and this team can still make some noise if we get out of our own way with stupid penalties and drops and playcalling, etc!

Plenty of blame to go around. Nooo doubt about it. But the "Kyler can do no wrong" camp and "Kyler is transcendent camp" (one and the same, really, and I'm not pointing the finder at you here), don't get off that easily. Because transcendent QBs overcome stuff like this, rise above it and raise their teammates above it. Kyler's certainly not doing that.

 

[Phrazbit]

This is more PFF nonsense. He has one of the worst passer ratings in the league the last 5 games and a 5/5 TD INT ratio. 17/5 before that.

That rating was from October, when Kyler was the MVP front runner.

Currently, yeah, he has sucked butt lately. But I don't know how any QB could function behind the state of our current interior line. We can't get Hudson back soon enough.

 

[TheCardFan]

Plenty of blame to go around. Nooo doubt about it. But the "Kyler can do no wrong" camp and "Kyler is transcendent camp" (one and the same, really, and I'm not pointing the finder at you here), don't get off that easily. Because transcendent QBs overcome stuff like this, rise above it and raise their teammates above it. Kyler's certainly not doing that.

You don't have to like they guy but you can't ignore his accomplishments so far. FACTS
He is doing it with subpar offensive talent - my opinion (name another 10 win team with less offensive talent than us).

Among his many accomplishments and multiple franchise records he’s already set, Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray has done something in just 41 career games that it took Hall of Famer Kurt Warner to do in 61 and something Jim Hart (199 career games), Neil Lomax (108) and Carson Palmer (60) never did.

It happened Sunday at Soldier Field when Murray, back after missing three games with a high left ankle sprain, played his 15th game with a completion percentage of 70 percent or higher. His 11 of 15 (73.3) performance for 123 yards and two touchdowns against the Bears ties him with Warner for the most 70-percent completion game in Cardinals’ history.

Murray has six such games already this season, leaving him two games shy of tying Warner’s single-season record set in 2008. Murray leads the NFL in completion percentage (72.7), passer rating (112.2) and yards per pass attempt.

Only eight quarterbacks have led the league in all three of those three categories since 1980 and six of them went on to be named the NFL’s Most Valuable Player.

*He reached 60-plus touchdown passes and 20-plus rushing touchdowns faster than any player in NFL history (41 games).

*On Sunday against the Bears, he became the fourth-youngest quarterback in NFL history to reach 10,000 passing yards.

*He joined Cam Newton as the only players with 10,000-plus passing yards and 1,500-plus rushing yards in his first three seasons.

*With 20 career rushing touchdowns, he joined Newton (28) and Josh Allen (25) as the only quarterbacks in league history with 20 or more rushing TDs in their first three seasons.

*He’s set a franchise record for the most career games (13) with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown.

*He became the fourth player in franchise history — at any position — with 20-plus rushing in their first three seasons.

*And he’s tied Warner’s franchise record for most games (five) with a passer rating of 120 or higher in a single season.

Murray’s 72.7 completion percentage this season leads the NFL and it’s presently the third-highest, single-season mark in league history behind Drew Brees (74.4 in 2018, 74.3 in 2019).

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...urray-keeps-racking-up-milestones/6452800001/

 

[BullheadCardFan]

You’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. At the moment Murray is part of the problem. He has the ability to flip that but he needs more skill refinement. Injuries have made this teams deficiencies more apparent. Murray has not been able to elevate his game to compensate. That doesn’t make him a loser, but he has to decide if he wants to be a good enough QB to carry his team with minimal support.

This

KM needs to elevate his game and do everything he can to do that

If not the NFL will pass you by

Talent only takes you so far

 

[BritCard]

That rating was from October, when Kyler was the MVP front runner.

Currently, yeah, he has sucked butt lately. But I don't know how any QB could function behind the state of our current interior line. We can't get Hudson back soon enough.

Nah man I'm not on board with this constant absolving of Kyler.

Russ Wilson has been elite his whole career with trash O lines. We just got beat by Wentz with their entire interior missing.

 

[TheCardFan]

Russ Wilson has been elite his whole career with trash O lines. We just got beat by Wentz with their entire interior missing.

C'mon man! Russ had the legion of boom since his rookie season (2012-2017)! Dominating defenses, short fields, defense scoring touchdowns, and a dominant running game.

Kyler would have destroyed the league with that team.

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[Stout]

You don't have to like they guy but you can't ignore his accomplishments so far. FACTS
He is doing it with subpar offensive talent - my opinion (name another 10 win team with less offensive talent than us).

Among his many accomplishments and multiple franchise records he’s already set, Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray has done something in just 41 career games that it took Hall of Famer Kurt Warner to do in 61 and something Jim Hart (199 career games), Neil Lomax (108) and Carson Palmer (60) never did.

It happened Sunday at Soldier Field when Murray, back after missing three games with a high left ankle sprain, played his 15th game with a completion percentage of 70 percent or higher. His 11 of 15 (73.3) performance for 123 yards and two touchdowns against the Bears ties him with Warner for the most 70-percent completion game in Cardinals’ history.

Murray has six such games already this season, leaving him two games shy of tying Warner’s single-season record set in 2008. Murray leads the NFL in completion percentage (72.7), passer rating (112.2) and yards per pass attempt.

Only eight quarterbacks have led the league in all three of those three categories since 1980 and six of them went on to be named the NFL’s Most Valuable Player.

*He reached 60-plus touchdown passes and 20-plus rushing touchdowns faster than any player in NFL history (41 games).

*On Sunday against the Bears, he became the fourth-youngest quarterback in NFL history to reach 10,000 passing yards.

*He joined Cam Newton as the only players with 10,000-plus passing yards and 1,500-plus rushing yards in his first three seasons.

*With 20 career rushing touchdowns, he joined Newton (28) and Josh Allen (25) as the only quarterbacks in league history with 20 or more rushing TDs in their first three seasons.

*He’s set a franchise record for the most career games (13) with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown.

*He became the fourth player in franchise history — at any position — with 20-plus rushing in their first three seasons.

*And he’s tied Warner’s franchise record for most games (five) with a passer rating of 120 or higher in a single season.

Murray’s 72.7 completion percentage this season leads the NFL and it’s presently the third-highest, single-season mark in league history behind Drew Brees (74.4 in 2018, 74.3 in 2019).

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...urray-keeps-racking-up-milestones/6452800001/

So, you're in the "no matter what, Kyler is awesome and can do no wrong" camp. Check.

FWIW, I like the guy. I'm simply able to take a step back and see the current flaws in his game, his regression late in the season, and plenty of room for improvement. What I don't see is a transcendent QB. Yet.

 

[TheCardFan]

So, you're in the "no matter what, Kyler is awesome and can do no wrong" camp. Check.

FWIW, I like the guy. I'm simply able to take a step back and see the current flaws in his game, his regression late in the season, and plenty of room for improvement. What I don't see is a transcendent QB. Yet.

Not at all. I am in the very grateful we finally have a franchise QB who is setting record after record, got us into the playoffs, 10 wins so far, and helps make us a legitimate team. I see his areas for improvement as well.

Your not stepping back though and being balanced - you are throwing out all of the amazing parts to nitpick a few warts. The sum of the good/very good FAR outweigh the bad. Name the last franchise QB we have ever drafted since you have been a fan that has performed like Kyler. Spoiler - there aren't any.

Let's certainly continue to expect K1 to improve but let's not lose perspective on what we have (a franchise QB) and how he has performed (all that he has accomplished) in his first 3 years.

You keep throwing out transcendent. Hard to argue that he isn't a transcendent QB for our franchise. He is also just the 3rd QB we have drafted in the modern era to make the playoffs. He is not transcendent yet in the NFL but again, its hard to argue that he doesn't have the skillset to get there. You can't say that about any other QB we have EVER drafted.

 

[DaHilg]

Not at all. I am in the very grateful we finally have a franchise QB who is setting record after record, got us into the playoffs, 10 wins so far, and helps make us a legitimate team. I see his areas for improvement as well.

Your not stepping back though and being balanced - you are throwing out all of the amazing parts to nitpick a few warts. The sum of the good/very good FAR outweigh the bad. Name the last franchise QB we have ever drafted since you have been a fan that has performed like Kyler. Spoiler - there aren't any.

Let's certainly continue to expect K1 to improve but let's not lose perspective on what we have (a franchise QB) and how he has performed (all that he has accomplished) in his first 3 years.

You keep throwing out transcendent. Hard to argue that he is a transcendent QB for our franchise. He is also just the 3rd QB we have drafted in the modern era to make the playoffs. He is not transcendent yet in the NFL but again, its hard to argue that he doesn't have the skillset to get there. You can't say that about any other QB we have EVER drafted.

This 100%… but good luck getting through, him and the few others love to ignore facts let alone read an entire post - which often has balance. For the Pro-Kyler posters, I believe nearly every single one of us say he needs to improve and he’s looked like crap during these losses.. At the same time realize, the factual data of his production/success being there when his by a long mile Best weapon and Olineman are out. Again- choose a QB not playing the AZ defense as having success with such a depleted roster.

Mahomes would struggle and shown he has struggled with a more competent roster but depleted Oline. (And, again Mahomes is a MUCH better QB than Kyler today). I’d be extremely surprised with missing Hopkins and Hudson if this team could make the playoffs with the might Mahomes.

Rodgers and Brady may be the only 2 QBs that could achieve that in my opinion.

 

[SoonerLou]

Hmm. So when PFF was crushing Kyler that was a valid stat (previous years). When he played really well it confirmed the eye test. Now its totally useless in regards to passing grades because its not AS BAD as we think. Interesting development going on here.

Again it wasnt to say he's playing great, just not as bad as we think and he CAN potentially get back to playing that way. Anyway carry on with the negativity. Like I said time will tell.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Plenty of blame to go around. Nooo doubt about it. But the "Kyler can do no wrong" camp and "Kyler is transcendent camp" (one and the same, really, and I'm not pointing the finder at you here), don't get off that easily. Because transcendent QBs overcome stuff like this, rise above it and raise their teammates above it. Kyler's certainly not doing that.

You know my view on Kyler historically, but Kyler takes the lion share of the blame for the past three losses.

It's cognitive dissonance to claim otherwise in my opinion.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Not at all. I am in the very grateful we finally have a franchise QB who is setting record after record, got us into the playoffs, 10 wins so far, and helps make us a legitimate team. I see his areas for improvement as well.

Your not stepping back though and being balanced - you are throwing out all of the amazing parts to nitpick a few warts. The sum of the good/very good FAR outweigh the bad. Name the last franchise QB we have ever drafted since you have been a fan that has performed like Kyler. Spoiler - there aren't any.

Let's certainly continue to expect K1 to improve but let's not lose perspective on what we have (a franchise QB) and how he has performed (all that he has accomplished) in his first 3 years.

You keep throwing out transcendent. Hard to argue that he is a transcendent QB for our franchise. He is also just the 3rd QB we have drafted in the modern era to make the playoffs. He is not transcendent yet in the NFL but again, its hard to argue that he doesn't have the skillset to get there. You can't say that about any other QB we have EVER drafted.

I sum the problems up like this:

When fully healthy, this is a decent team that doesn't require Murray to play tip top to win. When missing so many players, Murray needs to step up his game. He hasn't. This demonstrates he isn't in the Rodgers territory as a player YET.

He isn't capable of it...and from context clues, this might be an example of a kid who isn't taking his job serious enough.

 

[kerouac9]

Hmm. So when PFF was crushing Kyler that was a valid stat (previous years). When he played really well it confirmed the eye test. Now its totally useless in regards to passing grades because its not AS BAD as we think. Interesting development going on here.

Again it wasnt to say he's playing great, just not as bad as we think and he CAN potentially get back to playing that way. Anyway carry on with the negativity. Like I said time will tell.

I’ve never thought PFF grades were a valid resource. That said, I’m pretty sure they’ve always rated Kyler highly.

 

[TheCardFan]

He isn't capable of it...and from context clues, this might be an example of a kid who isn't taking his job serious enough.

You are talking about a kid that has was 42-0 in high school, 3 state titles (in TEXAS), and Gatorade Player of the Year.
He went 24-5 in college, including 12-1 in only year as full time starter. Heisman trophy winner.
Only player in history (IIRC) to be drafted in 1st round of NFL and MLB Drafts.
Has already set several franchise records and one of the fastest to accomplish many many others.
Took the worst team in the NFL to 10 wins in the hardest division and the playoffs in year 3 with mediocre talent (based on other 10+ win teams).

You don't think he is taking his job seriously enough? Give up on the fancy psychology words you know and get with reality my friend.