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My poll of 17 personnel people over the last two weeks showed four juniors packed together at the top with almost no separation. Scouts were asked to rank their top six offensive linemen, with a first-place vote worth 6 points, a second worth 5 and so on. Thomas led with 78 points and seven firsts but tight on his heels were Becton (75, five), Wills (71, two) and Wirfs (71, three).

“There’s no consensus with these guys,” an NFC personnel director said. “We have different orders between scouts, coaches. It’s kind of your flavor. You probably will get six tackles (in the first round) but there’s only four you feel good about. Then it falls off.”
 
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The tackles we care about

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1. ANDREW THOMAS, Georgia (6-5, 315, 5.17, 1): Thomas started at RT as a true freshman and at LT the past two seasons. “I thought he was the most natural and productive of all these guys,” one scout said. “He rarely gets beat. Has long arms (36 1/8 inches), and he plays with ‘em. Redirects well.” Thomas is a three-sport athlete from Lithonia, Ga. “Never have an issue with him,” another scout said. “This kid will pick up the system immediately. Cannot say enough good stuff about him. He’s a legit starter right away.” Scored 28 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “Would like to see a more aggressive finish,” a third scout said. “Doesn’t move defenders with power. Considering his athleticism, he’s on the ground a little more than I expected. Will need to get stronger in his drive blocks. I have questions about his skill set.” Some scouts say his feet are more than adequate for a LT. Others disagree. “Struggles against speed,” a fourth scout said. “Some of the pass-pro deficiencies make you want to think he’s more of a right tackle. What keeps you in the boat with Andrew is that everyone at Georgia really says high things about his football makeup and character. It’s an intangible-based position. At minimum, you’ll have a really good, solid starter because he’ll do all the right things.”

2. MEKHI BECTON, Louisville (6-7 ½, 357, 5.11, 1): Started at RT as a true freshman and at LT the past two seasons. “He has the highest ceiling,” said one scout. “You shouldn’t have the initial lateral quickness at that size that this guy has. There’s some rawness there (but) he could be a perennial Pro Bowl type.” That personnel man tabbed Becton as the No. 1 lineman in the draft. So did this scout, who said, “You know what? You can’t get around him. He’s athletic enough to block DBs in space. He can bend his lower body. He has strong hands. One concern I had was he was knock-kneed. You can’t say he’s Trent Williams. He’s like Orlando Brown (6-8, 340, 5.68) of the Ravens.” Another scout compared him to former Viking LT Bryant McKinnie (6-8, 343, 5.38), the seventh pick in 2002. “But he’s tougher than McKinnie,” the scout said. “He doesn’t play hard all the time…but he takes care of business. He’s been as high as 388, as low as 350. Will fatigue a little bit. Trustworthy. A teddy bear. He’s a pretty squared-away guy.” He matured significantly as a player and learned to play through injury in 2019. “He’s not one of those overweight, lazy guys,” a third scout said. “He can move and he competes. He’s what everybody’s looking for.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 15, and his arms were 35 5/8, hands were 10 ¾. “Know why I have him fifth (on his vote)?” said a fourth scout. “Because he loves to cook and eat more than he loves frigging football…He can be a freak now. You could hit on him. You know what he is? He’s Trent Brown (6-8 ½, 353, 5.26).” Becton is from Highland Springs, Va.

3. JEDRICK WILLS, Alabama (6-4, 312, 5.06, 1): Wills, from Lexington, Ky., improved as much if not more than any player in the draft last season, according to one scout. “He’s got feet, he’s got flexibility and he competes really hard,” said another scout. “Really good with his drive block. Square pass protection. Runs and pulls with ease. Really light on his feet. Pretty good in space. His height is OK.” The third-year junior played RT only, protecting Tua Tagovailoa’s blind side. “I think he does have left-tackle feet but I don’t think he’s a left tackle,” said a third scout. “You may try to kick him to left but people don’t know how hard that is, especially when you haven’t done it.” Two-year starter. “I like Wills as a right tackle or guard because he’s tough and plays hard, but he’s not a left tackle,” another scout said. “He needed extra time there.” Scored 9 on his first attempt at the Wonderlic, which teams traditionally have regarded as the most telling score, but he scored 23 on his second try. “We interviewed him twice,” said one scout. “He wouldn’t scare you off. I would say it (the Wonderlic) is not (a big concern).” He produced the best vertical jump (34 ½) of the tackles. “I don’t get the whole excitement with him, and I’ve watched a ton of tape,” another scout said. “I don’t think he plays very athletically. He’s not a finisher. He doesn’t redirect very well. Not a strong, tough guy. He worked out well. I just don’t see the movement, finish, talent of a first-round guy.”
 
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Wirfs they put as a guard

1. TRISTAN WIRFS, Iowa (6-5, 320, 4.87, 1): Wirfs is a third-year junior from Mount Vernon, Iowa (pop. 4,000). “All-state wrestler,” said one scout. “May be a better guard. Strong, physical run blocker. Has enough size and strength not to get bull-rushed. Strong hips. You may start him at right tackle, but eventually you’ll move him inside to guard.” Made 29 starts at RT, four at LT. “After he tested at the combine people started saying, ‘He can play left tackle,’” said another scout. “There’s no verifiable evidence of that. He was not good at left tackle for Iowa.” He blew out the combine with guard-bests in the 40, vertical jump (36 ½) and broad jump (10-1). “You can play him anywhere you want,” a third scout said. “He’s really good. He had great numbers at the combine but other than blocking the inside power move all he needs is technique. He’ll be a star.” He posted a Wonderlic of 23. “He’s a better athlete than football player at this point,” said a fourth scout. “He isn’t your typical polished Iowa NFL-ready guy from a technique and awareness standpoint. He’s not ready to play. Where you draft him you’re going to have to plug him in and start him, and he’s going to lose you some games next year. But he’s obviously a phenomenal test athlete so some team will get enamored with that. The tape is really up and down.”
 

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Thomas seems to be the safest pick, but the potential of Becton is too good to pass up. At this point, if Simmons or Okudah aren't available at 8, take Becton or trade down.
 

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If Cards draft an OL, I think Wirfs would be their first choice. I feel that with his athleticism, he would fit in best with Murray and KK's offense.
 
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I slightly favor Wirfs based on his positional flexibility. With needing to fill both guard and tackle next year that flexibility is very valuable.

My new rankings are

Wirfs
Thomas
Becton
Wills
 

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How can you go up against Espeneda just about every day at practice for three years and not be ready to play? Wirfs has started since he was a freshman.
 
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If we draft Wills we can have our own version of Mice and Men.
 

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The tackles we care about

2. MEKHI BECTON, Louisville (6-7 ½, 357, 5.11, 1): Started at RT as a true freshman and at LT the past two seasons. “He has the highest ceiling,” said one scout. “You shouldn’t have the initial lateral quickness at that size that this guy has. There’s some rawness there (but) he could be a perennial Pro Bowl type.” That personnel man tabbed Becton as the No. 1 lineman in the draft. So did this scout, who said, “You know what? You can’t get around him. He’s athletic enough to block DBs in space. He can bend his lower body. He has strong hands. One concern I had was he was knock-kneed. You can’t say he’s Trent Williams. He’s like Orlando Brown (6-8, 340, 5.68) of the Ravens.” Another scout compared him to former Viking LT Bryant McKinnie (6-8, 343, 5.38), the seventh pick in 2002. “But he’s tougher than McKinnie,” the scout said. “He doesn’t play hard all the time…but he takes care of business. He’s been as high as 388, as low as 350. Will fatigue a little bit. Trustworthy. A teddy bear. He’s a pretty squared-away guy.” He matured significantly as a player and learned to play through injury in 2019. “He’s not one of those overweight, lazy guys,” a third scout said. “He can move and he competes. He’s what everybody’s looking for.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 15, and his arms were 35 5/8, hands were 10 ¾. “Know why I have him fifth (on his vote)?” said a fourth scout. “Because he loves to cook and eat more than he loves frigging football…He can be a freak now. You could hit on him. You know what he is? He’s Trent Brown (6-8 ½, 353, 5.26).” Becton is from Highland Springs, Va”


Wait what?!?!

I’m sorry but I never in my life want my offensive lineman being described as a “teddy bear” who “doesn’t play hard all the time”.

the whole he’s so big you can’t get around him thing is so BS you can’t get around him then why do so many guys go around him? He grades out bad in the pass and run
 

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Wirfs can play tackle effectively, but I’d agree he’d also make a fine guard. He wouldn’t like the money difference.
 

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Wirfs can play tackle effectively, but I’d agree he’d also make a fine guard. He wouldn’t like the money difference.

Never take a Tweener option, if they say this already, factor in him being a combine wonder, I just see failure being a high pct at RT. So will he impact the Cards better as a Guard than say Lamb having Chemistry and knowing the system, I say no. Plus a Guard is alot easier to add than a Top WR Guards arent a position that young need an elite caliber player at.
 

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Never take a Tweener option, if they say this already, factor in him being a combine wonder, I just see failure being a high pct at RT. So will he impact the Cards better as a Guard than say Lamb having Chemistry and knowing the system, I say no. Plus a Guard is alot easier to add than a Top WR Guards arent a position that young need an elite caliber player at.

so wrong.

the key to any good offensive starts with the offensive line. Foundation first not shiny toys
 

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so wrong.

the key to any good offensive starts with the offensive line. Foundation first not shiny toys

Yeah Levi Brown over AP was awesome! If there was an elite Olineman I am all for it, these are all tweener RT with question marks. If a Tunsil or someone was in the draft I would say yes, but there isnt an elite prospect at Tackle. Nobody even knows who's good out of the Tackles. Take Kylers top target in college.......Never draft for need EVER!
 
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Yeah Levi Brown over AP was awesome! If there was an elite Olineman I am all for it, these are all tweener RT with ? If a Tunsil or someone I would says yes, there isnt an elite prospect nobody even k ow who's good outta the 4. The Cards will get the Oline version of Wendall Bryant!

a draft pick 13 years ago...let it go.

Would you really like to go over all the WR bust? Huh? You can play this game with every team in the NFL. Could of would of should of in the draft.
 

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Yeah Levi Brown over AP was awesome! If there was an elite Olineman I am all for it, these are all tweener RT with ? If a Tunsil or someone I would says yes, there isnt an elite prospect nobody even k ow who's good outta the 4. The Cards will get the Oline version of Wendall Bryant!

a draft pick 13 years ago...let it go.

Would you really like to go over all the WR bust? Huh? You can play this game with every team in the NFL. Could of would of should of in the draft.
 

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a draft pick 13 years ago...let it go.

Would you really like to go over all the WR bust? Huh? You can play this game with every team in the NFL. Could of would of should of in the draft.
Lol let's do it, single handedly that blows your argument away. If there was an elite Tackle I would be for it, but there ar 5 with various grades and warts.

Lamb was Murray's #1 Target, has tons of chemistry and k owns the offense, it makes
a draft pick 13 years ago...let it go.

Would you really like to go over all the WR bust? Huh? You can play this game with every team in the NFL. Could of would of should of in the draft.


Hahahahhahaa there is like 5 tackles nobody knows who the top one is. Wirfs is a Guard, they all have Warts, if there was a slam dunk pick at Oline I would say yes, but there isnt.

Lamb was Kyler Murrays top target, they have chemistry, he would replace Larry have time to learn and knows the offense. You remember they adjusted offensive verbage to fit what Kyler had in college, they run the spread offense. These are major factors you have to factor in, it's a no brainers. Cards are not going RT sorry, but Keim is happy with Murray and Gilbert. So be ready for a WR it's happening, 98.7 is pimping a WR, Larry says to grab one, Murray is screaming for Lamb, they run a 4 WR set. Cards going Lamb

https://raisingzona.com/2020/04/10/...-time-to-draft-the-heir-apparent/?a_aid=44511
 

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Never take a Tweener option, if they say this already, factor in him being a combine wonder, I just see failure being a high pct at RT. So will he impact the Cards better as a Guard than say Lamb having Chemistry and knowing the system, I say no. Plus a Guard is alot easier to add than a Top WR Guards arent a position that young need an elite caliber player at.
What do you mean by tweeter? Wirfs is taller than Wills and weighs more than Wills & Thomas.
 

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Lol let's do it, single handedly that blows your argument away. If there was an elite Tackle I would be for it, but there ar 5 with various grades and warts.

Lamb was Murray's #1 Target, has tons of chemistry and k owns the offense, it makes



Hahahahhahaa there is like 5 tackles nobody knows who the top one is. Wirfs is a Guard, they all have Warts, if there was a slam dunk pick at Oline I would say yes, but there isnt.

Lamb was Kyler Murrays top target, they have chemistry, he would replace Larry have time to learn and knows the offense. You remember they adjusted offensive verbage to fit what Kyler had in college, they run the spread offense. These are major factors you have to factor in, it's a no brainers. Cards are not going RT sorry, but Keim is happy with Murray and Gilbert. So be ready for a WR it's happening, 98.7 is pimping a WR, Larry says to grab one, Murray is screaming for Lamb, they run a 4 WR set. Cards going Lamb

https://raisingzona.com/2020/04/10/...-time-to-draft-the-heir-apparent/?a_aid=44511

Jesus Christ kid.

I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention but there isn’t anything that says Lamb is head and shoulders better than Juedy or Ruggs. Matter fact it seems the kind of exact argument your making with the offensive lineman.
 

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Wait what?!?!

I’m sorry but I never in my life want my offensive lineman being described as a “teddy bear” who “doesn’t play hard all the time”.

the whole he’s so big you can’t get around him thing is so BS you can’t get around him then why do so many guys go around him? He grades out bad in the pass and run

I remember when they said people would not be able to get around Leonard Davis when he played tackle... hmmm
 

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