moklerman
Rise from the Ashes III
Stumbled across this YouTube video that I thought some might want to watch.
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The NFL was even ready for Patrick Mahomes as the Patriots cut his sack in the AFC Championship. Even with weapons, a great QB can’t will a team to success. You have to have a respectable Defense. And Murray is showing more signs of “Little Man with Little League Father Syndrome” every day. He reminds me of Toby White. We need a Kelly Leak (Bosa or Williams)
What is this?The NFL was even ready for Patrick Mahomes as the Patriots cut his sack in the AFC Championship. Even with weapons, a great QB can’t will a team to success. You have to have a respectable Defense. And Murray is showing more signs of “Little Man with Little League Father Syndrome” every day. He reminds me of Toby White. We need a Kelly Leak (Bosa or Williams)
Williams would be my pick, disrupting the middle of the pocket, always double teamed, allowing Jones & Suggs more freedom to the QB.The NFL was even ready for Patrick Mahomes as the Patriots cut his sack in the AFC Championship. Even with weapons, a great QB can’t will a team to success. You have to have a respectable Defense. And Murray is showing more signs of “Little Man with Little League Father Syndrome” every day. He reminds me of Toby White. We need a Kelly Leak (Bosa or Williams)
The NFL was even ready for Patrick Mahomes as the Patriots cut his sack in the AFC Championship. Even with weapons, a great QB can’t will a team to success. You have to have a respectable Defense. And Murray is showing more signs of “Little Man with Little League Father Syndrome” every day. He reminds me of Toby White. We need a Kelly Leak (Bosa or Williams)
I don't think you're referencing me, so let that be said, haha. There's undoubtedly Air Raid concepts that will join the NFL to an even greater degree right now. The era of guys who put their hands in the dirt might be coming to a close for now, and spread offenses might be what we see.I'm picking up....for some.... it's a little bit of a hard time letting go of the old and accepting the new. Jmo. Don't flame me...and if you do, be gentle. Lol
I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed, unless you're focused on fantasy scoring. Mahomes isn't thriving on wild runs and improv, he has everything we consider to be fundamental in a QB. Size, prototypical arm-strength, etc. He's really not THAT mobile.I admit that I'm still having a hard time letting go of the old conceits. Big, pocket passers will forever be ingrained in me as the way to go at QB but the way the league is set up now, these little guys can actually come in and play and not get hurt. So, my instinct is to pass on Murray but I would have said the same thing about Mayfield. It seems that many of these guys who I thought weren't going to be able to survive in the NFL, mainly due to the speed and complexities, are now making it. What used to require an elite level of talent between the ears is now being compensated by athleticism.
All of the rules in place that protect the QB have redirected the game to more of a college level of play where athleticism, broken plays and improvisation make up for quick decision making, timing and processing. Kordell Stewart and Michael Vick would be gods in today's game. Neither of which I thought were good QB's. Great athletes, but not good QB's.
So, I don't really have any idea if Murray will make it. My first instinct is "no". But my reality doesn't line up with what's been going on in the NFL for a while now. I certainly don't trust my instincts or what I "know" anymore.
I can't agree with that at all. It isn't the same game as it used to be by any stretch of the imagination. The league is more pass happy than it's ever been, the QB's are protected by the rules directly and indirectly and defenses are at a bigger disadvantage than ever before. QB's come into the league now and can succeed from day 1 and is a lot less rare than it used to be.I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed,
Sorry, you're partially right, but those are still more or less pocket passers succeeding in the game. It is definitely more helpful, but there's a lot playing against the narrative.I can't agree with that at all. It isn't the same game as it used to be by any stretch of the imagination. The league is more pass happy than it's ever been, the QB's are protected by the rules directly and indirectly and defenses are at a bigger disadvantage than ever before. QB's come into the league now and can succeed from day 1 and is a lot less rare than it used to be.
And it only stands to reason. Teams want these QB's to succeed early and often and have reformed the rule book to make it a possibility. Drew Brees pushing 75% completion on the year and regularly completing more than 70% is just one example of the passing game being different than it was before. Mahommes breaking every TD record as a first year starter is another. How many guys have passed for 7 TD in a game in recent years when that was a record that stood for decades?
I don't see how any of that contradicts the point that the NFL has continued to modify and change it's rules to protect and promote QB's. Those changes have made it more possible for traditionally unqualified college QB's to come in and not only survive but succeed and even excel. The NFL is closer to the Arena League and CFL than what the NFL used to be. Which isn't good or bad, but it is much different than before.Sorry, you're partially right, but those are still more or less pocket passers succeeding in the game. It is definitely more helpful, but there's a lot playing against the narrative.
1. Mahomes doesn't have three m's.
2. Drew Brees is one of the greatest of all time, and that is not a realistic expectation.
3. Drew Brees was felt to not be good enough to continue with his original team, leading them to invest what was essentially the #1 overall pick to replace him. The Cardinals get no style points watching a guy they drafted win a Super Bowl (and before it's brought up, Brees didn't injure his shoulder before they picked Rivers, it was after).
4. Brees didn't go until the 2nd round.
5. Mahomes almost fell out of the top 10.
Mahomes is a prototypical QB. The only reason he slid was the Air Raid, and unfortunately, our own shiny new coach not being able to make anything of it defensively.
Then I don't see how Brees or Mahomes are examples?I don't see how any of that contradicts the point that the NFL has continued to modify and change it's rules to protect and promote QB's. Those changes have made it more possible for traditionally unqualified college QB's to come in and not only survive but succeed and even excel. The NFL is closer to the Arena League and CFL than what the NFL used to be. Which isn't good or bad, but it is much different than before.
I really can't agree that things are the same as they ever were.
Because all QB's are more protected, not just undersized ones. I didn't say that only undersized QB's have benefited or that they are the only ones having success. But the rules now in place allow an undersized QB the opportunity to stay on the field where it was very unlikely before.Then I don't see how Brees or Mahomes are examples?
They are both pocket passers. We can agree up and down that things favor the QB, I agree, but they still don't favor undersized running QBs.
You're doing that height thing and pocket passer thing again.. I'm failing to see the sources or scouts pointing to his inability to become one of these. You throw through lanes...not over lineman. He worked out of the shotgun almost entirely.. We also know KK is going to be doing a lot of this. Where will the problem be? Drew Brees and Payton seem to make it work without a hitch.I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed, unless you're focused on fantasy scoring. Mahomes isn't thriving on wild runs and improv, he has everything we consider to be fundamental in a QB. Size, prototypical arm-strength, etc. He's really not THAT mobile.
Playoff teams put out pocket players with height and athleticism. The Ravens are the only ones who got there with a guy predicated on his legs. Mobility is important, but none of these guys are tiny. The Texans were the closest thing to deploying a running QB that actually performed, and they got dismantled by the prototypical QB in the first round.
It's not necessarily a statue back there, but the two guys that made it to the big game were tallish guys with good instincts, and pocket presence (not to mention formidable defenses). It's still the same game. There are just some concepts like RPOs that are nouveau right now.
Sorry, looked for the title of the video instead of noticing 2+2.
[emoji817]...NFL rules protect QBs who stay in the pocket, not the runners. A clean pocket is the most important thing in today's NFL. Just ask TB12...I respect your thoughts... but no, the rules at QB haven't changed, unless you're focused on fantasy scoring. Mahomes isn't thriving on wild runs and improv, he has everything we consider to be fundamental in a QB. Size, prototypical arm-strength, etc. He's really not THAT mobile.
Playoff teams put out pocket players with height and athleticism. The Ravens are the only ones who got there with a guy predicated on his legs. Mobility is important, but none of these guys are tiny. The Texans were the closest thing to deploying a running QB that actually performed, and they got dismantled by the prototypical QB in the first round.
It's not necessarily a statue back there, but the two guys that made it to the big game were tallish guys with good instincts, and pocket presence (not to mention formidable defenses). It's still the same game. There are just some concepts like RPOs that are nouveau right now.
Rules have changed, yes, but they still only protect and benefit pocket passing QBs.I can't agree with that at all. It isn't the same game as it used to be by any stretch of the imagination. The league is more pass happy than it's ever been, the QB's are protected by the rules directly and indirectly and defenses are at a bigger disadvantage than ever before. QB's come into the league now and can succeed from day 1 and is a lot less rare than it used to be.
And it only stands to reason. Teams want these QB's to succeed early and often and have reformed the rule book to make it a possibility. Drew Brees pushing 75% completion on the year and regularly completing more than 70% is just one example of the passing game being different than it was before. Mahommes breaking every TD record as a first year starter is another. How many guys have passed for 7 TD in a game in recent years when that was a record that stood for decades?
That's not true. A running QB has to be smart(Wilson) but there are rules in place to protect a QB who breaks the pocket. Hell, just the feet first slide rule is huge compared to how it used to be.Rules have changed, yes, but they still only protect and benefit pocket passing QBs.
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If he doesn't feet 1st slide, he's not protected. Once they break the pocket they are considered runners, not QBs...also, in the open field, any runner can give himself up and not be hit or tackled...it's not a special QB rule.That's not true. A running QB has to be smart(Wilson) but there are rules in place to protect a QB who breaks the pocket. Hell, just the feet first slide rule is huge compared to how it used to be.