Summer trades?

[pokerface]

I thought he was a RFA, you're right though. Rozier does have 1 year left on his deal. Perhaps Boston would be open to a trade? Smart is a RFA and they can't afford Kyrie and Smart and Rozier.

In some ways this could be the ideal scenario for the suns. Trade for Rozier. He's putting up very good numbers while probably not fitting in the Celtics long term plans. Rozier could be had at a decent price...one we could afford. With pg locked up the draft could be all about getting a big man. We could forget about Doncic or Young.

 

[JCSunsfan]

In some ways this could be the ideal scenario for the suns. Trade for Rozier. He's putting up very good numbers while probably not fitting in the Celtics long term plans. Rozier could be had at a decent price...one we could afford. With pg locked up the draft could be all about getting a big man. We could forget about Doncic or Young.

Draft first. Then trades.

 

[pokerface]

Draft first. Then trades.

Yeah I was thinking about that when I was posting this but then I thought that maybe they traded players as a part of the draft? Or maybe before the draft after we get our pick number?

Apparently not...

 

[Hoop Head]

Draft first. Then trades.

Yeah I was thinking about that when I was posting this but then I thought that maybe they traded players as a part of the draft? Or maybe before the draft after we get our pick number?

Apparently not...

Wouldn't be surprised if the Suns make a deal between their picks, or after their first pick. The 2nd pick isn't a priority for them, at least based on what has been said about it and that's understandable. I think they'd rather add a vet than a mid round talent. We'll see what happens but I wouldn't be surprised if McD has some sort of contingency plan in place where if we get player X then there will be a deal ready to be signed off on right away. It all depends on where our 1st pick falls. We need talent, not necessarily more players with potential.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah I was thinking about that when I was posting this but then I thought that maybe they traded players as a part of the draft? Or maybe before the draft after we get our pick number?

Apparently not...

Oh they can make trades before and during the draft. I just don't think they should. If we get the #1 pick then trading would be fine because we would already know what our draft will be.

 

[devilalum]

Draft first. Then trades.

If we’re drafting first we can trade before the draft. If not we have to wait and pick the best player available.


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[Mr. Boldin]

I thought he was a RFA, you're right though. Rozier does have 1 year left on his deal. Perhaps Boston would be open to a trade? Smart is a RFA and they can't afford Kyrie and Smart and Rozier.

They can for one more season if Smart takes the QO. He would be the one to go, IMO.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

In some ways this could be the ideal scenario for the suns. Trade for Rozier. He's putting up very good numbers while probably not fitting in the Celtics long term plans. Rozier could be had at a decent price...one we could afford. With pg locked up the draft could be all about getting a big man. We could forget about Doncic or Young.

Ainge refused to include Rozier in talks for George last summer. I dont think hes dealing Rozier now unless it is for a superstar (AD, Kawhi) or in a heist.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ainge refused to include Rozier in talks for George last summer. I dont think hes dealing Rozier now unless it is for a superstar (AD, Kawhi) or in a heist.

Agreed... especially with Kyrie’s Health status hanging in the air.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ainge refused to include Rozier in talks for George last summer. I dont think hes dealing Rozier now unless it is for a superstar (AD, Kawhi) or in a heist.

I don't think Rozier's stock has risen to superstar level. That would be silly. Every year, some decent player has a good run in the playoffs. That does not qualify them for a superstar in return for a trade.

 

[AzStevenCal]

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I don't think Rozier's stock has risen to superstar level. That would be silly. Every year, some decent player has a good run in the playoffs. That does not qualify them for a superstar in return for a trade.

And every year Brad Stephens makes some role player look like a star. Maybe Rozier is or will be great but no way would I throw big money at a Boston free agent. I like Rozier but I don't want to be the team that pays him like a budding star or trades away quality assets for him, too much risk IMO.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I don't think Rozier's stock has risen to superstar level. That would be silly. Every year, some decent player has a good run in the playoffs. That does not qualify them for a superstar in return for a trade.

Jerome James is only 42. I say we go for it!

In all seriousness though, Rozier has looked fantastic, but small sample sizes can be problematic. I notice Jeremy Lin is not exactly lighting the league on fire right now, for instance.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I don't think Rozier's stock has risen to superstar level. That would be silly. Every year, some decent player has a good run in the playoffs. That does not qualify them for a superstar in return for a trade.

Im not talking 1 for 1. Boston has the talent, salaries, and picks to line up a deal for a star. Be it Irving/Horford, a young player, plus the Kings pick top 1 protected (its actually the higher of the 76ers or Kings pick, but...)

 

[Absolute Zero]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/alluca....com/2018/05/05/miami-heat-trade-dragic-suns/

Dragic anybody?

 

[Hoop Head]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/alluca....com/2018/05/05/miami-heat-trade-dragic-suns/

Dragic anybody?

That's not a bad trade but I doubt Miami would be willing. Dragic has 2 years left on his contract, 1 if he decides to opt out after next season, and they propose we send them Knight and their own pick in 2021? I would do that if we take Doncic but then, why take Doncic? Isn't he supposed to be a PG of the future? We'd be small and pretty bad defensively if we tried playing Dragic, Booker, Doncic, and Jackson together. Even if we were able to add a good interior defender to those 4, we'd still have the issue of 3 of the opponents 5 players being able to take their guys 1 on 1 because Dragic, Booker, and Doncic aren't going to stop anyone on the perimeter.

I can understand the reasoning proposed there but we need to keep Booker happy, not reconstruct our team in order to make our draft pick happy, like they propose. A draft pick who may not even be that good in the NBA anyways, paired with Dragic or not and playing for Igor or someone else.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's not a bad trade but I doubt Miami would be willing. Dragic has 2 years left on his contract, 1 if he decides to opt out after next season, and they propose we send them Knight and their own pick in 2021? I would do that if we take Doncic but then, why take Doncic? Isn't he supposed to be a PG of the future? We'd be small and pretty bad defensively if we tried playing Dragic, Booker, Doncic, and Jackson together. Even if we were able to add a good interior defender to those 4, we'd still have the issue of 3 of the opponents 5 players being able to take their guys 1 on 1 because Dragic, Booker, and Doncic aren't going to stop anyone on the perimeter.

I can understand the reasoning proposed there but we need to keep Booker happy, not reconstruct our team in order to make our draft pick happy, like they propose. A draft pick who may not even be that good in the NBA anyways, paired with Dragic or not and playing for Igor or someone else.

The justification for these trade prognostication is just silly. KP is unhappy with NY (overblown) and might want a trade (ridiculous assumption), so if the Suns draft Doncic (total speculation) because they have Kokoskov (another stretch) they need to trade for Dragic so Doncic can have a buddy from home to make him feel better (really? A player who has life away from home since his early teens has to have a buddy like Dragic for a security blanket?).

Yikes. Clickbait at its most blatant.

 

[Hoop Head]

The justification for these trade prognostication is just silly. KP is unhappy with NY (overblown) and might want a trade (ridiculous assumption), so if the Suns draft Doncic (total speculation) because they have Kokoskov (another stretch) they need to trade for Dragic so Doncic can have a buddy from home to make him feel better (really? A player who has life away from home since his early teens has to have a buddy like Dragic for a security blanket?).

Yikes. Clickbait at its most blatant.

It's definitely clickbait but I'm surprised it's written by a Heat site. They do a lot speculating but it's about the Suns instead of the Heat. They obviously don't know much about the Suns either or they would have no interest in Knight. Typically in those sort of articles you see a lopsided trade proposal but if that's lopsided it's in Phoenix's favor. I don't think there is a single Suns fan that would turn down the chance to ditch Knight for Dragic and the only additional cost would be the Heat's own pick in 2021. Dragic's contract isn't great but at least we'd have a good PG. I would do that trade if we drafted Ayton or Bagley for sure but drafting Doncic or Young lessens the need for a PG. There is no way that Pat Riley would let a deal like that happen though. Riley isn't Danny Ainge but he's still one of the top 10 GM's in the league and he would get nothing for trading away a guy who just made his 1st All-Star game other than their own pick and a 12 man coming off ACL surgery that is paid like a starter.

 

[Errntknght]

Here is a list of young point gaurds - I kept Dinwiddie on the list for comparisons sake though he has graduated to starter status. All of the others are not their teams leading PG, so have status similar to Rozier. I also added Ulis and Harrison as comps.
I added in DRPM - not a great stat, IMO, but it gives some idea of defensive play. For PGs the stat ranges from 3.60 to -3.65 with a median of -.40.
Stats are per 36 minutes. Stats have implicit decimal point before last digit - except GP, Min, DRPM and %'s. (ATO is assist to TO ratio)
Player Team GP Min FGA FG% 3PA 3p% FTA FT% TR AS ST TO BK PF ATO PTS DRPM
rozier,terry Bos 80 2066 139 395 70 381 26 772 66 40 14 14 3 21 29 157 -.02
wright,delon Tor 69 1437 108 465 39 364 30 832 49 50 18 20 8 20 26 140 .78
vanvleet,fredTor 76 1519 129 426 62 414 24 832 43 58 16 18 5 31 33 155 .93
grant,jerian Chi 74 1685 108 415 40 324 40 745 37 73 13 19 2 28 38 132 -1.25
mcconnell,t. Phi 76 1702 89 498 13 429 08 795 48 64 19 24 3 26 27 101 -.22
jones,tyus Min 82 1464 81 457 32 349 20 877 32 57 23 15 1 27 39 102 2.40
murray,dejoun SA 80 1741 126 445 7 265 31 709 95 48 20 28 6 31 17 136 3.60
napier,shaba Por 74 1533 125 420 51 376 32 841 40 35 19 21 3 20 17 151 .13
mack,shelvin Orl 69 1362 109 430 37 345 26 711 44 72 14 24 2 24 30 125 -.95
dinwiddie,spence 80 2305 131 387 68 326 42 813 41 82 11 20 4 29 41 157 -.23
ulis,tyler Phx 71 1656 120 388 32 288 22 832 28 68 15 28 2 26 24 120 -1.47
harrison,shaquil 23 387 115 476 24 231 35 737 57 51 24 20 7 39 25 141 .83
AVERAGE (12) 71 1571 116 424 42 355 28 791 48 59 17 21 4 26 29 136 NA

Frankly, Harrison looks like he might develope into a good two way player. Unfortunately Triano gave him little PT, so we're looking at a small sample size. He looked quite good defending to me, and others remarked on it. If Kokoskov can get him shooting 3's at a decent clip, I'd say he was about as good a prospect as most of the others. Delon Wright will probably be the most available, as Toronto has VanVleet in a similar status and they seem to favor the latter. Wright's 6'5 and has a good DRPM score so I'd be glad to get him. If, for example, we drafted Doncic, I expect Toronto would gladly trade Wright for Warren, if they could swing it financially.

 

[leclerc]

In other TJ Warren tweet speculation news:

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I can't read the tweet. What did it say?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I can't read the tweet. What did it say?

Something along the lines of "treat me like a person, not an asset, and we'll be okay". Paraphrasing from memory.

 

[Folster]

What if we traded
Picks:
2018 #1-4
2018 #16
Milwaukee 1st
2021 Miami 1st
Salary:
Knight
Dudley (expiring after next season)
Williams (non guaranteed)
Chriss

for Russell Westbrook.

Then sign Capela (I know Houston will match)

Westbrook
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Capela

 

[Hoop Head]

What if we traded
Picks:
2018 #1-4
2018 #16
Milwaukee 1st
2021 Miami 1st
Salary:
Knight
Dudley (expiring after next season)
Williams (non guaranteed)
Chriss

for Russell Westbrook.

Then sign Capela (I know Houston will match)

Westbrook
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Capela

No, even if OKC does that deal that's a lot to get a first round playoff exit. I miss the playoffs also but Westbrook doesn't make the Suns a contender. This would become his team also, not Booker's, and I'm not sure Booker would be that excited to accept a sidekick role.

We should be able to trade less for Damian Lillard, I would think. I'd throw everything mentioned except our top pick and be willing to take on one of Portland's bad contracts. That team would have a higher ceiling than it would with Westbrook, not even figuring who the top pick would be. Portland may decide to blow things up because they're not going to contend as is.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

What if we traded
Picks:
2018 #1-4
2018 #16
Milwaukee 1st
2021 Miami 1st
Salary:
Knight
Dudley (expiring after next season)
Williams (non guaranteed)
Chriss

for Russell Westbrook.

Then sign Capela (I know Houston will match)

Westbrook
Booker
Jackson
Bender
Capela

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/08/russell-westbrook-trade-heat-knicks-clippers-hornets/

"This is what a Super Max contract gets you:

2018-2019: $35.35 million
2019-2020: $38.17 million
2020-2021: $41.00 million
2021-2022: $43.84 million
2022-2023: $46.66 million (player option)

Westbrook turns 30 in November, and he’s had three surgeries on his right knee."

Not to mention, his style of play has not exactly led to the development of players around him. It's a hard pass for me on Westbrook. He brings a ton to the table, but he takes a ton away as well.

I realize these are arguments that have been debated ad nauseam. There are two types of people in the world: those who think Westbrook is the best and those who think he's just the worst. I'd just like to go on record as among the latter group.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/08/russell-westbrook-trade-heat-knicks-clippers-hornets/

"This is what a Super Max contract gets you:

2018-2019: $35.35 million
2019-2020: $38.17 million
2020-2021: $41.00 million
2021-2022: $43.84 million
2022-2023: $46.66 million (player option)

Westbrook turns 30 in November, and he’s had three surgeries on his right knee."

Not to mention, his style of play has not exactly led to the development of players around him. It's a hard pass for me on Westbrook. He brings a ton to the table, but he takes a ton away as well.

I realize these are arguments that have been debated ad nauseam. There are two types of people in the world: those who think Westbrook is the best and those who think he's just the worst. I'd just like to go on record as among the latter group.

I’m a third kind. I don’t know what to make of Westbrook. He’s an undeniably talented force of nature. But I think he needs a strong coach who can get him more finely tuned, more focused, less intense. If he played slightly more within a controlled framework I think he’d make his team more succcessful. But I think others might argue it’s his unbridled energy that makes him great. I think he never had the right coach and maybe now it’s too late. The cows have left the barn, so-to-speak. I wouldn’t give up 4 first round picks and Chriss for him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/08/russell-westbrook-trade-heat-knicks-clippers-hornets/

"This is what a Super Max contract gets you:

2018-2019: $35.35 million
2019-2020: $38.17 million
2020-2021: $41.00 million
2021-2022: $43.84 million
2022-2023: $46.66 million (player option)

Westbrook turns 30 in November, and he’s had three surgeries on his right knee."

Not to mention, his style of play has not exactly led to the development of players around him. It's a hard pass for me on Westbrook. He brings a ton to the table, but he takes a ton away as well.

I realize these are arguments that have been debated ad nauseam. There are two types of people in the world: those who think Westbrook is the best and those who think he's just the worst. I'd just like to go on record as among the latter group.

I think the Super Max is a team killer almost regardless of who the player is. Maybe you can survive it with a Lebron but that's about it. So, no to Westbrook or any other player that eats up that much of the cap.