QBOTF

[Stout]

You guys are all crazy. The cupboard is far from bare. We will get a coach and get a good enough QB. The defense is stacked, the team will get healthy, and we will kick some ass. Have some faith. Holy hell.

Thank you, Steve Keim, but no thanks.

 

[Vacard]

Well, there is the Pottsville Curse. Also, I personally realized how cursed we were the year I began liking the team, when our star QB Neil Lomax broke his hip in a career-ending injury.

But, in all seriousness, the chickens are coming home to roost. Keim has steadfastly refused to address the QB position moving forward, and specifically has taken zero steps, zero risks, doing nothing to attempt to attain a QBOF. It is squarely on the team that the team is screwed at the QB position.

Agreed, his drafts have been subpar but his FA acquisitions and trades have been phenomenal. He let the likes of Mahommes, Lynch (who sucks), and Watson slip out of his hands.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would sign Tyrod Taylor if he gets cut. I would do it as insurance just in case Darnold, Rosen, Jackson & Mayfield some how all go before #15. If that happens hopefully they can get Rudolph in Round 2 but at least we’ll have a starting QB in Taylor and give our second round QB time to develop. If all four of those QBs are gone, ARZ can go BPA, maybe a CB or WR or if McGlinchey falls to #15 we could scoop up are starting RT possible LT depending on if Humphries can stay healthy enough to play.

 

[Southpaw]

S I says Sam Darnold is going back to USC.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would sign Tyrod Taylor if he gets cut. I would do it as insurance just in case Darnold, Rosen, Jackson & Mayfield some how all go before #15. If that happens hopefully they can get Rudolph in Round 2 but at least we’ll have a starting QB in Taylor and give our second round QB time to develop. If all four of those QBs are gone, ARZ can go BPA, maybe a CB or WR or if McGlinchey falls to #15 we could scoop up are starting RT possible LT depending on if Humphries can stay healthy enough to play.

The QB I would Target in Rd2 is that Finley kid from NCSt.

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[WildBB]

Everything will depend on the new coaches. But a new regime usually means grooming a rookie in this current situation. A consensus will have to be reached on what to give up to get a shot at your next QBOF. After that they need to decide on whether Stanton is the bridge QB, or it's someone else. Obviously they won't overpay that guy.

 

[THESMEL]

DJ and defense will help any qb if the new coach calls it balanced, BA finally did last half of this season, would of could of should have, but it is what it is and I appreciate BA. I still think our next qb is on the current roster - because I don’t grade cousins or available veterans that much higher than Stanton, Gabbert or Barkley. Who all have game experience. If we get a decent rookie he probably won’t start off the bat.

 

[unseenaz]

Does Rosen remind anyone else of Trevor Bauer? A little too big for his britches if you ask me..

It's not about what Rosen has said about college athletes deserving to be paid, players sitting out bowl games or his statements about preferring to play for a top franchise; it’s the fact he’s always the person questioning the system. There’s a reason most quarterbacks speak in cheesy cliches and never let on too much. It’s a quarterback’s job to be as non-divisive and football-focused as possible.

According to sources who have spoken with people close to Rosen, he has been focused since high school on using football to make money and support the type of lifestyle he wants. He’s OK with challenging the system and being a mouthpiece for divisiveness because he appreciates the attention it draws.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...mayfield-josh-rosen/k2o3vl3ntwmv130v4xuwokguq

 

[cardpa]

I would sign Tyrod Taylor if he gets cut. I would do it as insurance just in case Darnold, Rosen, Jackson & Mayfield some how all go before #15. If that happens hopefully they can get Rudolph in Round 2 but at least we’ll have a starting QB in Taylor and give our second round QB time to develop. If all four of those QBs are gone, ARZ can go BPA, maybe a CB or WR or if McGlinchey falls to #15 we could scoop up are starting RT possible LT depending on if Humphries can stay healthy enough to play.

Ran into some Bills fans while I was in Orlando over the New Year and they believe Taylor is as good as gone.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Ran into some Bills fans while I was in Orlando over the New Year and they believe Taylor is as good as gone.

Taylor is my first choice, then Bridgewater and I would re-sign Stanton as my number two... with my draft pick being the apple of my eye

 

[Snakester]

I wouldn't worry about signing any QB. Trade up into the top five and get our QBOTF. That should be the only plan SK has. Use the rest of the money we have on getting some wide receivers and offensive linemen to protect our young QB.

 

[unseenaz]

I wouldn't worry about signing any QB. Trade up into the top five and get our QBOTF. That should be the only plan SK has. Use the rest of the money we have on getting some wide receivers and offensive linemen to protect our young QB.

ok, but who?

just because you trade into the top 5 doesn't mean a qbotf is there

 

[unseenaz]

lamar jackson is listed at 6'3 212lbs
deshaun watson is listed at 6'3 215lbs


one of those is a lie. the difference in their body types is more like 10-15 lbs

 

[DVontel]

ok, but who?

just because you trade into the top 5 doesn't mean a qbotf is there

Right.

People keep saying “trade into the top 5” but..........for who? Rosen & Darnold will be out of the question. Allen isn’t worth reading up for. I think Lamar will fall to #15 regardless. Baker? Allen doesn’t deserve to, but I think he’ll get drafted before Baker.

 

[Solar7]

ok, but who?

just because you trade into the top 5 doesn't mean a qbotf is there

Right.

People keep saying “trade into the top 5” but..........for who? Rosen & Darnold will be out of the question. Allen isn’t worth reading up for. I think Lamar will fall to #15 regardless. Baker? Allen doesn’t deserve to, but I think he’ll get drafted before Baker.

Yay, two logical posters!

I don't want to trade away two years of picks to get into the top 5 and pick the 3rd quarterback. The bust ratio is just way too high. No problems with trading forward a few picks to get a guy if you really like Mayfield, Allen, or whoever else rises, but not so far up just to desperately reach before the Broncos/Jets.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

lamar jackson is listed at 6'3 212lbs
deshaun watson is listed at 6'3 215lbs


one of those is a lie. the difference in their body types is more like 10-15 lbs

Lamar looks like 200 lbs max -- he's incredibly skinny. Watson weighed in at 221 at the Combine...FWIW.

 

[cardpa]

Yay, two logical posters!

I don't want to trade away two years of picks to get into the top 5 and pick the 3rd quarterback. The bust ratio is just way too high. No problems with trading forward a few picks to get a guy if you really like Mayfield, Allen, or whoever else rises, but not so far up just to desperately reach before the Broncos/Jets.

If they don't draft a QB this year then who or what is available in FA? Brees is not going to leave NO. I wouldn't want a 38 year old QB anyhow. Cousins is pretty questionable. You have McCown who had a good year before going down with an injury. He's 38 but can be considered a young 38. There is Keenum, the question is, was this year an career year or has he really turned it around? Bridgewater is still considered damaged goods to me and may never be the same. Bradford is always injured. Cutler will probably go back to the broadcast booth. There is always Stanton but we all know what he's about. After these guys there is nothing to speak of. McCarron is a RFA so Cincy can always keep him if they decide to do so. Unless someone gets released there isn't anything else. Seems like Keim has painted himself into a corner and has to draft a QB. He should really draft two. Do you ride someone like Stanton for next year especially if Darnold goes back to school and then throw everything at getting him? Who else will be available out of college in 2019?

 

[oaken1]

lamar jackson is listed at 6'3 212lbs
deshaun watson is listed at 6'3 215lbs


one of those is a lie. the difference in their body types is more like 10-15 lbs

perhaps not...it is very possible that Lamar Jackson is just much more solidly built than Watson

may account for why he has never been injured. my baby brother is 6'6" and I 6'2" for all the years of our primes he wore larger clothes than me even though I outweighed him by 25 lbs,... I was athletic,..he is a trucker

I am not claiming Watson is fat,... just that he may not be as solid overall as Jackson....we have all known some skinny "Wirey" dude that looks 150 but tips the scale at 205

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[unseenaz]

perhaps not...it is very possible that Lamar Jackson is just much more solidly built than Watson

may account for why he has never been injured. my baby brother is 6'6" and I 6'2" for all the years of our primes he wore larger clothes than me even though I outweighed him by 25 lbs,... I was athletic,..he is a trucker

I am not claiming Watson is fat,... just that he may not be as solid overall as Jackson....we have all known some skinny "Wirey" dude that looks 150 but tips the scale at 205

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Other way around. Jacksons is a twig compared to Watson (and just in general lol)

 

[oaken1]

Other way around. Jacksons is a twig compared to Watson (and just in general lol)

right...and muscle mass is heavier than fat... the more solid guy can carry more weight and look smaller.

 

[Solar7]

If they don't draft a QB this year then who or what is available in FA? Brees is not going to leave NO. I wouldn't want a 38 year old QB anyhow. Cousins is pretty questionable. You have McCown who had a good year before going down with an injury. He's 38 but can be considered a young 38. There is Keenum, the question is, was this year an career year or has he really turned it around? Bridgewater is still considered damaged goods to me and may never be the same. Bradford is always injured. Cutler will probably go back to the broadcast booth. There is always Stanton but we all know what he's about. After these guys there is nothing to speak of. McCarron is a RFA so Cincy can always keep him if they decide to do so. Unless someone gets released there isn't anything else. Seems like Keim has painted himself into a corner and has to draft a QB. He should really draft two. Do you ride someone like Stanton for next year especially if Darnold goes back to school and then throw everything at getting him? Who else will be available out of college in 2019?

There's another thread about FAs, but yeah, we need three QBs anyways. It's not going to scuttle our draft plans to sign a veteran from the list, unless it's Cousins (who I want, but I understand many don't.) No one on the list of available QBs with him as an exception can possibly believe they're going to be signed to a contract to be the unquestioned starter for 5+ years. They're just going to have to accept it. The QB I think is the best fit is going to depend on who we choose as a coach.

I don't see any way we can move up to grab our surefire QB of the future in a realistic way. There are too many teams in front of us. Maybe outside of the top 10, or taking a flyer on a guy at #15? I think that's possible.

 

[oaken1]

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There's another thread about FAs, but yeah, we need three QBs anyways. It's not going to scuttle our draft plans to sign a veteran from the list, unless it's Cousins (who I want, but I understand many don't.) No one on the list of available QBs with him as an exception can possibly believe they're going to be signed to a contract to be the unquestioned starter for 5+ years. They're just going to have to accept it. The QB I think is the best fit is going to depend on who we choose as a coach.

I don't see any way we can move up to grab our surefire QB of the future in a realistic way. There are too many teams in front of us. Maybe outside of the top 10, or taking a flyer on a guy at #15? I think that's possible.

moving up from 15 will be expensive and the only real considerations for partners would be Indy at 3 and clevelands #4... unless they stand pat for a few picks and see how the early draft plays out.
those who want Baker Mayfield should be happy with where we are,... many folks are underestimating the stock NFL teams put in the measurables... Drew Brees has been MVP level for years and teams still worry about drafting smaller QB's early..

 

[az240zz]

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I don't see any way we can move up to grab our surefire QB of the future in a realistic way. There are too many teams in front of us. Maybe outside of the top 10, or taking a flyer on a guy at #15? I think that's possible.[/QUOTE]


Are there any surefire QB's? I think that is a myth perpetuated by desperate fans......

 

[Solar7]

[QUOTE=".

I don't see any way we can move up to grab our surefire QB of the future in a realistic way. There are too many teams in front of us. Maybe outside of the top 10, or taking a flyer on a guy at #15? I think that's possible.

Are there any surefire QB's? I think that is a myth perpetuated by desperate fans......[/QUOTE]

Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, I'd even argue Carson Palmer and Matthew Stafford. Guys with long track records in school, all of the measureables, and no character flaws. But yeah, they pretty much don't exist.

 

[Cheesebeef]

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I don't see any way we can move up to grab our surefire QB of the future in a realistic way. There are too many teams in front of us. Maybe outside of the top 10, or taking a flyer on a guy at #15? I think that's possible.

Are there any surefire QB's? I think that is a myth perpetuated by desperate fans......[/QUOTE]

Neither Goff or Wentz were “surefire” QBs, but the Rams and Eagles both sat in similar positions in the draft and did what was needed to get the guys who in just two years, led their teams to the 1 and 3 seed in the NFC.