Marquese Chriss since ASG is better than Amare and Marion as Rookies

[slinslin]

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[3rdside]

Yep - dude is gonna blow up next year.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Great find. I think my favorite thing about Chriss is that he seems to show rapid improvement at every level. Went from relatively unknown high school player to top 50 recruit, improved drastically over the course of his Washington career, and has already taken huge strides as a Sun. He's got a long way to go in a lot of areas, but his potential is incredible, and he has shown little reason to think he won't continue an upward trajectory.

He's also younger than Marion or even Amare when they were rookies!

 

[3rdside]

He's a bit of a unicorn that he's got narrow af shoulders but he can shoot the three and jump out of the gym and catch lobs from everywhere..such a lethal combo for a guy who's 6'10".

 

[Hoop Head]

I wish he was a better rebounder. He's improved a lot from when the season started though but I'm not sure he's the answer at PF going forward because of his poor rebounding. It hasn't really picked up with Len out there instead of Chandler, who was pulling down a ton of boards early in the year, or when Chriss is playing Center in small ball lineups. His shooting range, athleticism, and speed should allow him to play SF some though. I'm not sure if he could be our SF of the future or if he should be moved to SF but I'd like to see him play some SF next year to see how he fits there. We don't really have the personnel right now to put Chriss at SF with Chandler out. Bender has just returned and is still kind of position-less himself, Dudley is more of a really slow SF than PF, and Williams & Len shouldn't be on the court at the same time.

 

[3rdside]

He's not by any stretch of the imagination a small forward - he's a PF or small ball C...he can't dribble / play the point forward role.

He is a prototype PF really, above the rim 3 baller.

 

[slinslin]

Chriss is a 4, he will never be a 3. Watson said about Chriss that he will be one of the best ever to play his position. So you can pretty much rule out Watson moving Chriss to the 3.

The whole argument is ridiculous. Blake Griffin averages 8.2 rebounds in 34 mpg.

Power Forwards in todays league don't average 10 rebounds per game anymore. Chriss is 19 and physically far from developed to battle guys like Griffin with physicality.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm glad to see this posted. Really surprised at his shooting percentages post-break.

I hope he spends the summer working on his physique and his game. If he develops some back to the basket game and size and continues to develop his handles he's going to be a load for other teams to contain.

And if BOTH he and Bender continue to improve . . . with Booker and whomever we draft this year (and the cast of talented supporting players) I am going to start building totally unrealistic expectations (for the future).

 

[JCSunsfan]

Are those post ASG numbers for Amare and Marion too? Or are those just their rookie numbers?

It is pretty clear that Chriss is improving very quickly. I think Bender is too.

 

[slinslin]

Those are post ASG numbers for all of them.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is really interesting. Calipari was really impressed with him and surprised and said so during the final 4.

 

[JCSunsfan]

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder

1. Saric. Drafted in 2014
2. Brogdon. Drafted in 2016, second round, 24 years old
3. Joel Embiid. Drafted in 2014.
4. Marquese Chriss. Drafted in 2016, first round, 19 years old.

So, Chriss is the highest rated 2016 first rounder on the rookie ladder.

Way to go McD. I am assuming you liked both Bender and Chriss, and instead of trying to choose between the two, found a way to get both.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's a bit of a unicorn that he's got narrow af shoulders but he can shoot the three and jump out of the gym and catch lobs from everywhere..such a lethal combo for a guy who's 6'10".

Narrow shoulders was my primary question mark about Chriss prior to the draft otherwise he was off the charts. I'm still wondering how much he develop physically because of his frame. Don't get me wrong, I like Chriss a lot.

 

[slinslin]

Saric is not even THAT good, I would argue that Chriss has been just as good since the ASG. Saric is really inefficient

Also Saric turns 23 this week. Embiid is 23 already.

Basically the guys ahead of Marquese are all 4-5 years older than him, lol..

 

[3rdside]

Narrow shoulders was my primary question mark about Chriss prior to the draft otherwise he was off the charts. I'm still wondering how much he develop physically because of his frame. Don't get me wrong, I like Chriss a lot.

Yeah but have you seen his smile? That's an all-star smile right there lol.

I think he can bulk up a very, very decent amount.


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[JCSunsfan]

Narrow shoulders was my primary question mark about Chriss prior to the draft otherwise he was off the charts. I'm still wondering how much he develop physically because of his frame. Don't get me wrong, I like Chriss a lot.

They do seem to be narrow, but there have been plenty of athletes with narrow shoulders. Even this guy.

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[Mainstreet]

They do seem to be narrow, but there have been plenty of athletes with narrow shoulders. Even this guy.

Funny thing. I was trying to compare the picture of Durant to the picture of Chriss and it was hard to know for sure.

However, I examined a picture of Chriss to Bender and they both seemed to have the same type shoulders.

 

[Sunburn]

Nice find Slin. Really interesting and encouraging post.

 

[elindholm]

Durant's most costly narrowness is behind the "ND" on his jersey.

 

[Sunburn]

Durant's most costly narrowness is behind the "ND" on his jersey.

Ouch

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't understand why everyone is against the idea of Chriss playing SF, his build is being compared to Durant who is a SF, he's got the shooting range and quickness to play against most wins in the league and once he gets some more experience he may be able to exploit those matchups in a similar fashion that Paul George or Kevin Durant does. I'm not saying he should play there exclusively but it wouldn't hurt to try him out there. Of course a lot of that depends on how our front court develops. Warren has been rebounding better than Chriss and as far as style of play goes and where they're most productive Warren scores more like a PF in the midrange game and Chriss scores around the hoop and from 3. They make a good tandem right now but who knows how Bender will come along in addition to whoever we draft.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't understand why everyone is against the idea of Chriss playing SF, his build is being compared to Durant who is a SF, he's got the shooting range and quickness to play against most wins in the league and once he gets some more experience he may be able to exploit those matchups in a similar fashion that Paul George or Kevin Durant does. I'm not saying he should play there exclusively but it wouldn't hurt to try him out there. Of course a lot of that depends on how our front court develops. Warren has been rebounding better than Chriss and as far as style of play goes and where they're most productive Warren scores more like a PF in the midrange game and Chriss scores around the hoop and from 3. They make a good tandem right now but who knows how Bender will come along in addition to whoever we draft.

I think he is limited defensively at SF. Bender has shown better ability to defend on the perimeter. Chriss is more effective defensively when he is closer to the hoop. I do not know if it matters though. The new NBA positions seem to be:

1. Lead guard.
2. Hybrid or swing.
3. Stretch big
4. Big.

Chriss is a stretch big. Teams will play two of something (except Big) given the situation.