CC to the Jaguars

[RON_IN_OC]

The mistake was in not franchising Campbell. Did the Cards really need to franchise Jones to negotiate a long term deal with him? The market for stud pass rushers is pretty well set, and we would be a much better with both Jones and Campbell.

I wouldn't invest in Campbell for 3-4 years, but our window is extremely small. If we could have just come to terms with Jones, we wouldn't even have had to commit long term to Campbell.

Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite us, but Calais is a huge loss.

Just spitballing, but CC and the team probably have an agreement to no more tags, after the Cards used it on him twice, before his last contract.

 

[Harry]

I know this may tick off some people but I need to get out a little frustration. When I tried to warn at season's end that the Cards had major cap problems with 22 free agents several people wanted to quote all the money Over The Cap showed the Cards had to spend. It was always too little with that many free agents. In today's NFL unless someone does a Tom Brady and takes a major income hit or deferment you just can't keep a large number of high quality players. This is why drafting effectively is critical. This is why Belicheck won't normally give big contracts to star older players. It's okay to give big money to Fitz & Palmer but it means you're going to sacrifice other primary players. Thankfully Keim has had some success at filling holes with relatively cheap players. However when he misses like CB last year, the penalty is no playoffs. The margin for error is typically slim. Despite all the theories for how to spend and structure contracts there was always too many people and too little available money. Now that we've all had our reality check it's time to get down to the real business of where the Cards go from here. It's too late to start the modified rebuild I sought, so the Cards need to make several smart moves going forward.

 

[WisconsinCard]

By who? Don't even bring up Bustniche as the same player

I know you're with me when I say I hope you are wrong...

Now for my opinion. I think RN will make you forgot who CC was. I think he'll do a good job taking that position over, and as Harry stated "you must draft well." It's his time to shine, and frankly it was time for CC to move on. J-ville over paid him because they had to. This is the New England way... partially. They would/might have traded him away last year, but a comp pick is a good consolation prize.

 

[Dan H]

Best wishes to CC but that's the kind of move that shows he doesn't put much into winning at this point in his career. And that's perfectly fine.

 

[BigRedRage]

I know this may tick off some people but I need to get out a little frustration. When I tried to warn at season's end that the Cards had major cap problems with 22 free agents several people wanted to quote all the money Over The Cap showed the Cards had to spend. It was always too little with that many free agents. In today's NFL unless someone does a Tom Brady and takes a major income hit or deferment you just can't keep a large number of high quality players. This is why drafting effectively is critical. This is why Belicheck won't normally give big contracts to star older players. It's okay to give big money to Fitz & Palmer but it means you're going to sacrifice other primary players. Thankfully Keim has had some success at filling holes with relatively cheap players. However when he misses like CB last year, the penalty is no playoffs. The margin for error is typically slim. Despite all the theories for how to spend and structure contracts there was always too many people and too little available money. Now that we've all had our reality check it's time to get down to the real business of where the Cards go from here. It's too late to start the modified rebuild I sought, so the Cards need to make several smart moves going forward.

Why would that tick people off? It makes sense and is what it is. We will need some good role players and a good draft. I am concerned about ILB although I like SIo Moore, concerned about safety too. Should be able to get a guard just fine and it couldnt hurt to get another DL in the draft. Hopefully we also bring back okafor to spell jones and Golden.

 

[Southpaw]

Sounds like he just wanted to be back close to home.... he was going to get astronomical money anywhere… But to go to a perennial loser franchise with no clear bright future ahead??? I'm guessing he wanted to be back in Florida

Ouch. Nkemdiche sighting?

 

[CFLredzoned]

I know this may tick off some people but I need to get out a little frustration. When I tried to warn at season's end that the Cards had major cap problems with 22 free agents several people wanted to quote all the money Over The Cap showed the Cards had to spend. It was always too little with that many free agents. In today's NFL unless someone does a Tom Brady and takes a major income hit or deferment you just can't keep a large number of high quality players. This is why drafting effectively is critical. This is why Belicheck won't normally give big contracts to star older players. It's okay to give big money to Fitz & Palmer but it means you're going to sacrifice other primary players. Thankfully Keim has had some success at filling holes with relatively cheap players. However when he misses like CB last year, the penalty is no playoffs. The margin for error is typically slim. Despite all the theories for how to spend and structure contracts there was always too many people and too little available money. Now that we've all had our reality check it's time to get down to the real business of where the Cards go from here. It's too late to start the modified rebuild I sought, so the Cards need to make several smart moves going forward.

I was thinking about that with the one year prove it deals. The past couple of years, it seems like the swag of BA and what the Cardinals were building has been able to lure guys to come in and work for cheap on prove it deals. With what happened in 2016, you have to wonder how much that appeal has worn off. So yeah no doubt, the Cardinals have had that crutch to work with. But that's okay because the Seahawks had Russell Wilson for four years at league minimum. So now both teams will have to draft well to stay relevant.

Making the blind assumpton that Fitz and Palmer will be gone after 2017, with the money it will free up, it should make for a fun offseason in 2018. I was going to say 'interesting' but thought no, this offseason will be interesting. Next offseason should be fun.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Weddle and Jefferson will be a force together

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Both in the box SS types. Will be interesting how they compliment each other (or not)

 

[football karma]

I know this may tick off some people but I need to get out a little frustration. When I tried to warn at season's end that the Cards had major cap problems with 22 free agents several people wanted to quote all the money Over The Cap showed the Cards had to spend. It was always too little with that many free agents. In today's NFL unless someone does a Tom Brady and takes a major income hit or deferment you just can't keep a large number of high quality players. This is why drafting effectively is critical. This is why Belicheck won't normally give big contracts to star older players. It's okay to give big money to Fitz & Palmer but it means you're going to sacrifice other primary players. Thankfully Keim has had some success at filling holes with relatively cheap players. However when he misses like CB last year, the penalty is no playoffs. The margin for error is typically slim. Despite all the theories for how to spend and structure contracts there was always too many people and too little available money. Now that we've all had our reality check it's time to get down to the real business of where the Cards go from here. It's too late to start the modified rebuild I sought, so the Cards need to make several smart moves going forward.

you see this over and over in the NFL--

good teams, who by definition have good players, after a while cant afford to keep every single good player. I dont think any amount of savvy cap management can eliminate letting good players go at some point.

Campbell is a classic example of a player good teams let leave --- as much as it hurts.

Jefferson is simply good/bad luck. Nobody here -- absolutely nobody -- at this time last year predicted that Tony Jefferson would get something like $8mm per year in free agency. So good luck in that the Cards got an unexpected boost from a player -- bad in that it happened in a contract year with loads of cap room. The fact that money was allocated to Peterson and Badger didnt help either. The Cards are really banking on Badger returning to form.

Good drafting is what puts a team into this situtation -- good drafting will solve it as well.

 

[WindCardinal]

Jacksonville will surely release Sen'Derrick Marks after this. He could be a good pickup for us

 

[overseascardfan]

I know this may tick off some people but I need to get out a little frustration. When I tried to warn at season's end that the Cards had major cap problems with 22 free agents several people wanted to quote all the money Over The Cap showed the Cards had to spend. It was always too little with that many free agents. In today's NFL unless someone does a Tom Brady and takes a major income hit or deferment you just can't keep a large number of high quality players. This is why drafting effectively is critical. This is why Belicheck won't normally give big contracts to star older players. It's okay to give big money to Fitz & Palmer but it means you're going to sacrifice other primary players. Thankfully Keim has had some success at filling holes with relatively cheap players. However when he misses like CB last year, the penalty is no playoffs. The margin for error is typically slim. Despite all the theories for how to spend and structure contracts there was always too many people and too little available money. Now that we've all had our reality check it's time to get down to the real business of where the Cards go from here. It's too late to start the modified rebuild I sought, so the Cards need to make several smart moves going forward.

No one is ticked, at least not me. Now this is where SK needs to earn his keep. Technically in a conventional world your draft picks should be able to step in and fill FA losses. Whether or not SK drafted well enough, we'll find out soon enough, Nkemdiche is now going to be under even more scrutiny because he has to replace a big piece of our defense. ARZ can't afford a bad draft or even a mediocre one, definitely can't redshirt the 1st round pick this year. After Gresham and Jones signings ARZ is most likely done with the exception of small filler FA's IMO.

 

[Bodha]

My feelings:

1. I am angry the Cards dont see how valuable CC is. I wouldve matched his market to keep him.

2. Im surprised he chased the $$$ and not a ring. If he went to Denver, and Denver gets Romo, theres a good chance he couldve won there.

 

[Stout]

My feelings:

1. I am angry the Cards dont see how valuable CC is. I wouldve matched his market to keep him.

2. Im surprised he chased the $$$ and not a ring. If he went to Denver, and Denver gets Romo, theres a good chance he couldve won there.

We couldn't have done it. Just not possible, nor is it wise.

 

[juza76]

No one is ticked, at least not me. Now this is where SK needs to earn his keep. Technically in a conventional world your draft picks should be able to step in and fill FA losses. Whether or not SK drafted well enough, we'll find out soon enough, Nkemdiche is now going to be under even more scrutiny because he has to replace a big piece of our defense. ARZ can't afford a bad draft or even a mediocre one, definitely can't redshirt the 1st round pick this year. After Gresham and Jones signings ARZ is most likely done with the exception of small filler FA's IMO.

Jones signing should lower the cap hit

 

[MadCardDisease]

I've been saying that CC was as good as gone for months now. That there was no way the Cardinals would be able to pay what CC would get on the open market. That it wouldn't be wise to tie up all of that money in a player who is going to be 31 this season.

Well CC got the crazy big contract that I was expecting he would get. He will be a good addition for the Jags. Sad to see him go but the writing has been on the wall. The Cardinals knew this was coming and that is why they drafted Robert Nkemdiche and kept so many DL on the roster last year.

 

[unseenaz]

My feelings:

1. I am angry the Cards dont see how valuable CC is. I wouldve matched his market to keep him.

2. Im surprised he chased the $$$ and not a ring. If he went to Denver, and Denver gets Romo, theres a good chance he couldve won there.

so you woulda paid him chandler jones-esque money?

 

[Bodha]

so you woulda paid him chandler jones-esque money?

100%

Hes more valuable to us than Chandler. Wouldve let Chandler play out the tag

 

[Zeno]

100%

Hes more valuable to us than Chandler. Wouldve let Chandler play out the tag

How could we possibly do both, no way the Cards could sign Calais at a contract equal to what he got and franchise Jones and pay for any other free agents. It's just reality.

 

[Stout]

How could we possibly do both, no way the Cards could sign Calais at a contract equal to what he got and franchise Jones and pay for any other free agents. It's just reality.

We couldn't possibly have done both.

100%

Hes more valuable to us than Chandler. Wouldve let Chandler play out the tag

CC is old. He may play well this season, or he may fall off the cliff of age. I certainly wouldn't want to chance it on a long-term contract. The chances of him playing well before that contract becomes punishing to the Jags are slimski to none. We made the right decision--offering him decent money but not mortgaging our future to re-sign him.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Why are people still talking like this? Relax, it's gonna be ok. You sound like the fat girl that got boned by the guy taking one for the team to help his buddy out and never got a call back.

King of analogies! The best part about you MD is you always bring a high level of intelligence and thoughtfulness to every one of your posts. Keep on trucking!

Campbell made it blatantly obvious to anyone and everyone with a brain last offseason that '16 was his last year with the Cardinals.

Well Junior, this may blow your mind, but that's not exactly how it works. As 88 explained, Calais had no leverage. Our window is one year, and we didn't have to sign him to a long term deal. He had no ability to stop a franchise tag. This is a fairly simple concept.

Furthermore, I'm not bothered by this.

Ha, of course you aren't. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that Campbell is irreplaceable on our D. We have no young replacement, and no money to pay for a Campbell like player. Campbell is a huge loss, both in terms of his play and his leadership.

while they were good players, they aren't leaders, Campbell wasn't intelligent and neither was a current captain.

Wow, this might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on this board, which is saying something.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How could we possibly do both, no way the Cards could sign Calais at a contract equal to what he got and franchise Jones and pay for any other free agents. It's just reality.

It's very simple - if they would have offered Jones the same amount before the tag had to be designated, then franchised Campbell, they could have had both, with no long term commitment to Campbell.

 

[Dan H]

The weird thing is, the Jags have dropped big money on 3-4 DLinemen the past few years. First Malik Jackson and now CC. Are they going to a 3-4? Otherwise seems like a poor use of resources.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It's very simple - if they would have offered Jones the same amount before the tag had to be designated, then franchised Campbell, they could have had both, with no long term commitment to Campbell.

I really don't think tagging CC was an option...and not just from a financial standpoint. The Cards already tagged him twice, before his last contract. I'd be willing to bet they made an agreement, way back then, to never use the tag on him again.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Sounds like he just wanted to be back close to home.... he was going to get astronomical money anywhere… But to go to a perennial loser franchise with no clear bright future ahead??? I'm guessing he wanted to be back in Florida

That was my thought.

I wish him well. Super nice guy. Will miss having him on the team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's very simple - if they would have offered Jones the same amount before the tag had to be designated, then franchised Campbell, they could have had both, with no long term commitment to Campbell.

Seems like you may have never negotiated anything. That's not the way negotiations work.