Cards: Trade Late Round Cond Pick for Matt Barkley

[Dr. Jones]

What team has a 3rd stringer that would be fine as a starter? Barkley will probably be a top 5 third stringer in the league.

But is he our future #1? Not a chance in heck

 

[kerouac9]

Wouldn't be Asfn if there wasn't a ton of strum and drang over a bottom-of-the-roster QB.

Arians offense isn't founded on the deep out the requires plus arm strength. Arians deep passing game is strictly vertical, which requires LESS arm strength than a 16-yard out. The WR can just run under it.

 

[Buckybird]

Something tells me Thomas is gonna get the axe after this trade & Chip picks him up on the Iggles as a developmental guy. I don't see it working out for either though.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Something tells me Thomas is gonna get the axe after this trade & Chip picks him up on the Iggles as a developmental guy. I don't see it working out for either though.

Doubt it, highly.

San Fran may be a more likely landing spot, although I expect Thomas on our PS and a fairly quick dump of Barkley.

 

[cardncubfan]

The premise is really quite simple.

The Cards "in the end" want 2 QB's on the 53, not 3.

They picked up Barkley as insurance against losing Sims or Thomas to a waiver claim.

If either is signed to the Cards PS, they are in a position to dump Barkley at no cost.

Make sense now?

(Further... when Massie comes off suspension they are going have to drop somebody)

No. You have to use a roster spot for Barkley. They could have just of easily put either LT or Sims in that roster spot if they were in fear of losing them to waivers. Either way a roster spot is taken by a 3rd string QB.

 

[gmabel830]

I'm just sad we will never know who won the Sims/LT non-battle!

 

[GuernseyCard]

No. You have to use a roster spot for Barkley. They could have just of easily put either LT or Sims in that roster spot if they were in fear of losing them to waivers. Either way a roster spot is taken by a 3rd string QB.

Here's the issue: The Cards want 2 QB's on the 53 man roster and 1 in reserve on the PS. How do they go about this in a responsible way?

1. They buy insurance in trading for Barkley. This insurance does not payout unless he's on the roster for 6 games.

2. Now, with this insurance you can risk Sims and Thomas on waivers with a reasonable expectation that one or both gets through, particularly given that most teams want to carry 2 QB's on their 53, not 3.

3. You sign one or the other to the PS.

4. You dump Barkley before the 6th game.

5. You now have what you intended... 2 QB's on your 53... and one in reserve on your PS.

You only way that they end up with 3 QB's on your 53 man roster is if they lose both Sims and Thomas to waivers. I'd argue that this is unlikely.

Barkley, for the first 2 or 3 games, is actually filing the spot open by Massie's suspension. When he comes, someone has to go. I think it will be Barkley, if we have a QB on the PS.

So... in the end the trade gave you insurance and cost nothing.

 

[WisconsinCard]

In the end this is just a 7ISH week try out. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

 

[Shaggy]

Here's the issue: The Cards want 2 QB's on the 53 man roster and 1 in reserve on the PS. How do they go about this in a responsible way?

1. They buy insurance in trading for Barkley. This insurance does not payout unless he's on the roster for 6 games.

2. Now, with this insurance you can risk Sims and Thomas on waivers with a reasonable expectation that one or both gets through, particularly given that most teams want to carry 2 QB's on their 53, not 3.

3. You sign one or the other to the PS.

4. You dump Barkley before the 6th game.

5. You now have what you intended... 2 QB's on your 53... and one in reserve on your PS.

You only way that they end up with 3 QB's on your 53 man roster is if they lose both Sims and Thomas to waivers. I'd argue that this is unlikely.

Barkley, for the first 2 or 3 games, is actually filing the spot open by Massie's suspension. When he comes, someone has to go. I think it will be Barkley, if we have a QB on the PS.

So... in the end the trade gave you insurance and cost nothing.

Barkley will have to be on the 53 man roster or he needs to be cut, then go through waivers and hopefully make it back to the practice squad. So there will have to be 3 QBs on the 53 man roster, or risk cutting Barkley and having him get picked up in waivers also. So that idea won't work as Barkley has to go through the same setup as Sims and Thomas will be going through when they are cut.

So with the Barkley trade, they will have 3 QB's on the 53 man roster.

 

[sportznutt]

He's better than anyone not named Palmer/Stanton....good enough for me.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Barkley will have to be on the 53 man roster or he needs to be cut, then go through waivers and hopefully make it back to the practice squad. So there will have to be 3 QBs on the 53 man roster, or risk cutting Barkley to. So that idea won't work as Barkley has to go through the same setup as Sims and Thomas will be going through when they are cut.

This presupposes that they actually want Barkley more than either Sims or Thomas. I question that. After they've signed Sims or Thomas to the PS the release of Barkley it's not in the hope of signing him to their PS.

He's gone... done.

And we now have 2 QB's on the 53 and 1 on the PS.

 

[Shaggy]

This presupposes that they actually want Barkley more than either Sims or Thomas. I question that. After they've signed Sims or Thomas to the PS the release of Barkley it's not in the hope of signing him to their PS.

He's gone... done.

And we now have 2 QB's on the 53 and 1 on the PS.

Well would this be all done today because isn't today the deadline to get the team down to 53? If LT and PS are claimed, and if the Cards want to just keep 2 QBs on the 53 man roster, they would still have to cut Barkley and he to would have to go through waivers and then hopefully make the Card's PS. I doubt they would want to risk that and they will just sign him then. So they will keep 3 QBs if both LT and PS are picked up.

 

[Mitch]

This presupposes that they actually want Barkley more than either Sims or Thomas. I question that. After they've signed Sims or Thomas to the PS the release of Barkley it's not in the hope of signing him to their PS.

He's gone... done.

And we now have 2 QB's on the 53 and 1 on the PS.

Interesting take on the situation. For some reason, I think BA&SK's interest in Barkley is legit, so we'll see. I will doff my cap to you, if you are correct.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Well would this be all done today because isn't today the deadline to get the team down to 53? If LT and PS are claimed, and if the Cards want to just keep 2 QBs on the 53 man roster, they would still have to cut Barkley and he to would have to go through waivers and then hopefully make the Card's PS. I doubt they would want to risk that and they will just sign him then. So they will keep 3 QBs if both LT and PS are picked up.

Yes... If both are claimed the Cards would then carry 3 on the 53.

Not the plan, but better than being without a #3 you have confidence in.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Interesting take on the situation. For some reason, I think BA&SK's interest in Barkley is legit, so we'll see. I will doff my cap to you, if you are correct.

Maybe they did high fives after the trade and there's nothing more to say.

We'll see.

 

[BigRedRage]

https://twitter.com/mikejurecki/status/640240891563630592

 

[Mitch]

Maybe they did high fives after the trade and there's nothing more to say.

We'll see.

I don't rule your theory out at all. It sure would be an excellent smokescreen---teams thinking, ah, the Cardinals didn't like Thomas or Sims, and if they didn't like them, with what they went through with 3rd string QBs last year, then why should we? I get that. That's clever.

Well it wouldn't surprise me if Gary Kubiak of the Broncos likes Thomas---he sure looked better than their 3rd stringer. Nothing like an in-person audition, is there? Plus, I think the 49ers are going to hop on Thomas. Seahawks on Sims.

 

[TheHopToad]

As long as we're talking about USC QBs, Matt Cassel just got cut by the Bills. I'd rather have him than Barkley.

 

[Mitch]

Maybe they did high fives after the trade and there's nothing more to say.

We'll see.

Was reading on twitter that Matt Barkley and Carson Palmer are good friends and there's speculation that Carson will have Barkley go through the same shoulder strengthening exercises as his. If this means anything. Sounds like it does.

 

[Phrazbit]

As long as we're talking about USC QBs, Matt Cassel just got cut by the Bills. I'd rather have him than Barkley.

I wouldn't. I don't think Barkley will do anything but I think his current low bar (a check down Charlie who struggles to get the ball downfield) is exactly what we already know for certain Cassel is.

 

[oaken1]

my guess is Barkley has two weeks to show something...when Massie is ready to take his roster spot back a decision will be made regarding Barkley.

 

[Cardiac]

This presupposes that they actually want Barkley more than either Sims or Thomas. I question that. After they've signed Sims or Thomas to the PS the release of Barkley it's not in the hope of signing him to their PS.

He's gone... done.

And we now have 2 QB's on the 53 and 1 on the PS.

Very clever deduction on your part Guernsey, very clever. The on the roster for 6 games clause is very unusual so I think your theory has a ton of merit. Even if it doesn't come to fruition .....still very clever.

 

[chickenhead]

Was reading on twitter that Matt Barkley and Carson Palmer are good friends and there's speculation that Carson will have Barkley go through the same shoulder strengthening exercises as his. If this means anything. Sounds like it does.

This is what I was wondering when I heard about the trade. Maybe after last year they want a 3rd stringer they have confidence in to know the playbook and not run for his life. Maybe Palmer is more open to mentoring a 3rd string QB from USC than the alternatives. We'll see what's what soon enough.

 

[AZfaninMN]

my guess is Barkley has two weeks to show something...when Massie is ready to take his roster spot back a decision will be made regarding Barkley.

I read on the cardinals app the odd man out might be sowell otherwise we would have 10 OL on the 53

 

[Scott MS]

How long have you been a Cardinals fan? You could easily change "3rd string" in your sentence to "first string" for a majority of this teams existence.

Very true.