Sacramento wants Aaron Brooks

[mojorizen7]

I'd be fine with Dowdell as the backup PG. He's a very centered, fundamentally sound dude. I'd hang on to him. I prefer Dowdell over Brooks as a backup PG anyway.

If Brooks would oblige, I'd s&t him for Garcia. However, I don't see why the Kings want Brooks after getting Fredette in the draft. The only thing that makes sense is if they are through with Evans, which I don't see happening at this point.

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Brooks does nothing for me. He's a perfect for Nashball though,so i'd imagine the Suns will find a way to retain him to backup Nash for next seasons foolish run to mediocrity.

Dowdell impressed me in the few times i witnessed his play last season. I'd like to see the Suns try to develop him.....which means he's going to need steady minutes,which he won't get as the 3rd PG.

 

[Superbone]

I'm not. It's kind of funny but a year ago I was taking some heat on this forum for being so negative. I made the point that we were due for some tough times and that people were expecting too much out of this team based on a WCF finals appearance that was in large part due to good fortune. I also made the point that by Christmas I'd be one of the more optimistic people here. I'm pretty sure I was mocked for that statement also.

We're not in very good shape but I'm comfortable in letting this front office do it's thing. Unlike many here I don't hold them accountable for the mistakes of the past. AFAIC, they started last season with a clean slate and IMO they haven't done so poorly to date. It remains to be seen whether Sarver will stay out of their way but I actually believe he will.

They've voiced a top-down positional change that the team will focus on defense. I know, it's been said before but again, this is a new Front Office so we'll see where that goes. And as far as feeling like the Cubs, I can still sit here and reflect fondly on the fun I've had watching the Suns play during this Nash era that so often gets bashed. No, we didn't win it all and yes, it's disappointing that we wasted some pretty decent opportunities but all but a handful of NBA teams would have loved to have our past decade.

We're about to pay a price, both for our recent successes and our recent failures but I'm a bit more optimistic about that than most also. I really do not believe it is just about the bottom line with Sarver. I think his ego is too big to ever let this play out like the Clippers of the 90's. IF he's hired the right guys, we'll be relevant again in 2 to 4 years and I'll still be in purple and orange, waiting for it. If he hasn't hired the right guys, he'll fire them and maybe it takes an extra year or two. And even then, I'm still not going anywhere (willingly).

Steve

I like your optimism. I hope you're right. I'm normally the optimistic type but Sarver has worn me down. But, I've been in it for too long and I too am not going anywhere. I've just got too much history with the franchise. And just like the great depression, everything turns around eventually. I'm willing to live through the Sarver regime if I have to.

 

[Superbone]

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Brooks does nothing for me. He's a perfect for Nashball though,so i'd imagine the Suns will find a way to retain him to backup Nash for next seasons foolish run to mediocrity.

I don't agree with that. To me he's the antithesis of Nashball. At least as a point guard. But I too like what I've seen from Dowdell and would be willing to run with him and give him a real shot.

 

[Folster]

Dowdell impressed me in the few times i witnessed his play last season. I'd like to see the Suns try to develop him.....which means he's going to need steady minutes,which he won't get as the 3rd PG.

What impressed you about Dowdell last season? I keep reading that people like what they saw out of Dowdell and Siler. I must have missed those games.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What impressed you about Dowdell last season? I keep reading that people like what they saw out of Dowdell and Siler. I must have missed those games.

For me, the most impressive aspect of Dowdell's game last season was his effort, his heart (and maybe his head). Contrast that with what we were getting from a much more talented Dragic and it's easy to see why people fell in love with him. Unfortunately, a few people have now forgotten just how poorly Goran played last season but that's a different story.

Siler was mostly ineffective but again, compared to the other guy (in this case, Lopez) he showed glimpses of potential. He needs to trim down quite a bit in order to really be a viable option but he showed some decent instincts. If he gets into true basketball shape and he's still just as lead-footed that will probably be the end of him but until then we won't really know what we've got.

Steve

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Dowdell certainly got enough time for decent evaluation. The dude plays centered and within himself. He's an oldschool PG. No flash, just sound. Now, I didn't watch too many games this past year and I certainly didn't see many whole games (if any at all), but when I did see Dowdell (at least 10 times), he did not make any bonehead plays. No one is saying he's the future of the organization, but he could certainly develop into a Calderon/Blake type of PG and I'd be thrilled to have someone like that as a long term bench option at least and possible starter at best (depending on the level of his development, of course)....

 

[Covert Rain]

Is there any clear indication what they plan on giving in return? Is there anything on that roster that would get anybody particularly excited assuming we could work something out between Brooks and the Kings?

 

[Griffin]

Is there any clear indication what they plan on giving in return? Is there anything on that roster that would get anybody particularly excited assuming we could work something out between Brooks and the Kings?

For reasons explained earlier, we should not expect anything in return. If we did, I wouldn't mind taking Jason Thompson off their hands, although at this point we have a little too many second-tier PF's. Thompson still has a lot of potential though. I'd also like Marcus Thompson, but he's a FA (whom the Suns should perhaps target themselves, although he may be out of their price range).

Back to Brooks, personally instead of trying to match what some other team like the Kings would likely overpay for him, I would go after Barea. I think he fits the current Suns system much better, but even with Nash gone he has enough IQ and skill to be an effective back-up/interim starter while the Suns look for Nash's permanent replacement. He might even be cheaper than Brooks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No, I want to keep Brooks BUT I do NOT want to overpay him. We were better off if his only suitors came from the group of teams that are at or near the salary cap. It works to our disadvantage that his first public suitor is one that can afford to pay a little above market value for him. Also, if you look at their roster and look at our roster, I could see Brooks perhaps preferring to play with the Kings.

Steve

Brooks can stay here and be heir apparant to nash or he can go to sacramento and be play third fiddle to a pg rookie rock star in jimmer and a sg who thinks hes a pg in evans. All three of them are ball dominators.

 

[Irish]

The Suns paid a lot for Brooks, knowing full well he would be an RFA. If the Kings can steal a guy just by offering to overpay, then everybody in the Suns front office deserves to be fired including the owner.

The Suns front office knew that Brooks would be expensive. The Rockets traded him because they did now want to pay him. The Suns knew he was "damaged goods" and would take a while to get healthy. Do we have any reason to believe the medical staff has decided he will NEVER get healthy?

If they thought so, you would think they'ed welcome the Kings to come here to check him out to keep the price low if they want to keep him.

 

[Covert Rain]

For reasons explained earlier, we should not expect anything in return. If we did, I wouldn't mind taking Jason Thompson off their hands, although at this point we have a little too many second-tier PF's. Thompson still has a lot of potential though. I'd also like Marcus Thompson, but he's a FA (whom the Suns should perhaps target themselves, although he may be out of their price range).

Back to Brooks, personally instead of trying to match what some other team like the Kings would likely overpay for him, I would go after Barea. I think he fits the current Suns system much better, but even with Nash gone he has enough IQ and skill to be an effective back-up/interim starter while the Suns look for Nash's permanent replacement. He might even be cheaper than Brooks.

Why would the Mavs even consider giving up Barea? What's in it for them? I mean the guy was a huge part of their run.

 

[Gwindor]

Ok, maybe i mixed things up, but some of you didn't said recently that Suns should tank next season? Get ANY value out of Brooks, try to trade Lopez somehow for 2012 first unprotected, develop Siler, ZD, Morris. Team win 20-25 games next season and have good oportunity to pick e.g. Teague and with another first rounder draft best SG or PF/C who is on board.

Then Suns have:

Teague, ZD
Dudley, Pick/FA
Hill, Childress
Morris, Frye
Gortat, Siler (or pick/FA as backup and Siler as 3-rd string)

Ok... my point was not to try to setting up roster (which due to my incompetence I ineptly did), but to say - either Suns are giving it a decent shot next year or they try to rebuild. Both are not likely to happen.

 

[Mainstreet]

Why would the Mavs even consider giving up Barea? What's in it for them? I mean the guy was a huge part of their run.

Also why would Barea leave Dallas? I think he is more than happy there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Why would the Mavs even consider giving up Barea? What's in it for them? I mean the guy was a huge part of their run.

He is an unresricted free agent.

 

[jagu]

Suns will send Brooks and 2 future first round picks to Sacramento before we get back anything useful for him...

 

[jagu]

Dowdell has long arms, plays good defense and is very composed compared to Dragic who looks like he wanted to ask his mom to call the Suns office to take him out of the game.

 

[jagu]

What's puzzling is they have

Tyreke Evans who takes every shot
Jimmer Fredette who wants every shot and
now they want Aaron Brooks whose willing to take every shot?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't understand why you are blaming the Suns for circumstances they can't control. Johnson and his agent had an incentive to do business with Phoenix. Brooks and his agent don't.

Well Brooks is a RFA so the Suns are able to control his destiny if they are willing to stand tall and match any contract offer he receives whether he likes it or not. This would seem like incentive to me.

It's true that open communication might work to everyone's advantage, but it's not the Suns fault if the Kings (or the Brooks camp) won't cooperate. Remember what happened the first time McDyess left Phoenix.

As I recall McDyess was a FA both times he left Phoenix which is different than being a RFA.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What's puzzling is they have

Tyreke Evans who takes every shot
Jimmer Fredette who wants every shot and
now they want Aaron Brooks whose willing to take every shot?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.

And all consider themselves pg's

 

[elindholm]

Well Brooks is a RFA so the Suns are able to control his destiny if they are willing to stand tall and match any contract offer he receives whether he likes it or not. This would seem like incentive to me.

It isn't. There's no indication that Brooks wants to leave Phoenix. Most likely, if the Kings sign Brooks to an outrageous offer sheet, it won't make any difference to his camp whether Phoenix matches. So the Suns' "leverage" is the right to overpay Brooks for several years.

As I recall McDyess was a FA both times he left Phoenix which is different than being a RFA.

The "right to match" has value only if the team really wants the player or if cap considerations make it difficult for a new team to pursue the player on their own. The Suns (we're guessing) don't particularly want Brooks -- else they would have extended him already -- and the Kings are so far under the cap that they can do whatever they want. The Suns' rights are pretty much useless in this case.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It isn't. There's no indication that Brooks wants to leave Phoenix. Most likely, if the Kings sign Brooks to an outrageous offer sheet, it won't make any difference to his camp whether Phoenix matches. So the Suns' "leverage" is the right to overpay Brooks for several years.



The "right to match" has value only if the team really wants the player or if cap considerations make it difficult for a new team to pursue the player on their own. The Suns (we're guessing) don't particularly want Brooks -- else they would have extended him already -- and the Kings are so far under the cap that they can do whatever they want. The Suns' rights are pretty much useless in this case.

The real questions is this: At what paypoint does Brooks' contract become a liability rather than an asset? There is speculation involved, but the key factors have to be whether he can recover from injury and whether the 2009/10 season is an indication of future potential. The Suns should be in the drivers seat regarding that information since they have had him on the roster and with their med staff for a number of months.

I cannot believe that the Kings really want to pay a lot for a guy that will likely be their third string pg.

 

[SirStefan32]

The real questions is this: At what paypoint does Brooks' contract become a liability rather than an asset? There is speculation involved, but the key factors have to be whether he can recover from injury and whether the 2009/10 season is an indication of future potential. The Suns should be in the drivers seat regarding that information since they have had him on the roster and with their med staff for a number of months.

I cannot believe that the Kings really want to pay a lot for a guy that will likely be their third string pg.

Under the current structure/ CBA, definitely no more than a MLE. Once you go over that, it becomes very difficult to trade people.

 

[JCSunsfan]

FWIW Sac posters on the Realgm board don't see why the team needs Brooks, are not interesting in paying him much at all, and in the end doubt whether Sac is truly interested at all.

 

[Errntknght]

I really can't believe the Kings still have much interest in Brooks. A high volume low pct shooter is exactly what they don't need. They need leadership, better playmaking and better shooting and to top things off they replaced Udrih, their most efficient offensive player, with a huge volume shooter in Jimmer. Who they need is Steve Nash!

Steve might enjoy going there and playing with all that young talent - seeing if he can't make a decent team out of them. Its not a championship but it would have to be satisfying just to get them in playoff contention.

Sac could absorb his salary but would Phoenix be required to take back equal cost contracts despite that? I think they wouldn't but I'm not sure.

 

[SirStefan32]

I really can't believe the Kings still have much interest in Brooks. A high volume low pct shooter is exactly what they don't need. They need leadership, better playmaking and better shooting and to top things off they replaced Udrih, their most efficient offensive player, with a huge volume shooter in Jimmer. Who they need is Steve Nash!

Steve might enjoy going there and playing with all that young talent - seeing if he can't make a decent team out of them. Its not a championship but it would have to be satisfying just to get them in playoff contention.

Sac could absorb his salary but would Phoenix be required to take back equal cost contracts despite that? I think they wouldn't but I'm not sure.

Nash isn't going to be traded to Sacramento.
Since Sac is under the cap, they COULD just take his contract and not send anything back, but that's not going to happen. Unless Nash says he want out, he is not going anywhere.