ARod's dream offseason (blow it up and start over edition

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I saw everybody else did one of these and thought I'd give it a shot. I probably screwed up some of the backups because I'm a relatively new Arizonian. Any feedback is appreciated.

TRADES

Fitz to the Pats for 17 and 28

Why for the Pats: They got exposed by the Jets. The Jets sent the house against Brady and not only got to him, but when they didn't get to him they screwed up his sight lines, a danger of having all your recievers being under 6 feet. Fitz gives Brady a reliable option and a huge target that is always open if a QB can put the ball in the right spot. Brady can put the ball in the right spot.

Pick #5 to the Vikings for picks 12,43, and 136

Why for the Vikings: By moving up they leapfrog Washington to get first pick of all the teams that need QBs. With Favre gone and Tavaris Jackson still sucking they need to right the ship and appease the fans. As a Packer fan, I'm praying they pick Locker.

Pick 136 to the Packers for Nick Barnett.

Why for the Pack. Barnett is no longer needed and his contract is too big for a backup. He also is starting twitter beefs with Aaron Rodgers and the organization. Pack are looking to move him and Ted Thompson loves his late round picks. Hopefully he pulls in another James Starks.

Resignings

Breaston- 3yrs. for 9.5 mil...4 guaranteed
Alan Branch- 3 yrs. 7.2 mil. 3 guaranteed
Deuce Lutui- 4 yrs 17 mil. 8 guaranteed
Alan Faneca- 1 yr. 3.8 mil.
Hightower, Doucet, Keith and Iwebema RFA


THE DRAFT

12: Justin Houston. I know the Von Miller hype train is in full effect but he reminds me too much of Aaron Curry. I know that's a bad example but Curry had the same combination of speed and aggresiveness that Miller does. They play completely different positions in completely different defenses, I'm aware. At this point I'm just a hater and will gladly label myself as such. I like Houston and pick 43 over Miller.

17: Gabe Carimi. Day one starter at RT. Instantly improves the running game, and is good enough in pass protection that I'm not worried about any LE's or LOLBs killing (insert QB's name here)

28: Castonzo. He'll be an abover average LT his first day in the league. He won't test out as well which will cause him to fall to 28. I'm taking him and whistling my way to the bank.

38. Phil Taylor. Man's a beast. If the rumors are true that he can also be a 5 technique I will laugh hysterically at every GM that didn't take him.

43. Titus Young. With Fitz gone, (Insert QB's name here) is going to need someone to throw to. Titus Young has been the best performing reciever in the draft for a while. He doesn't have the elite size that Baldwin, Jones and Green do, but that's why he'll end up in the 2nd round. Great returner on ST.

69 John Moffit. Starter at C or G the first day he steps onto the field. Showed excellent skills at UW and in the Senior Bowl. This team is going to be able to run the ball.

102 Demarcus Van Dyke. I'll say it, our corners kind of suck. DCR is decent and has potential to be a probowler but we've got nothing outside of him. Van Dyke isn't Patrick Peterson but he's not awful.

133 Greg Little. Another WR with the same attributes as Young. Giving a new QB options to throw to, especially options that excell at running routes for short passes is huge.

166. Greg McElroy. He's a game manager. He's a smart and accurate kid who avoids making mistakes and can facilitate an offense. He's not Tom Brady, he's not Aaron Rodgers, but if this team can run the ball and play stingy defense, he's good enough. Maybe the coaching staff can do something with him.

180. Devon Torrence. A CB out of tOSU. He was pretty good in college. Hopefully he can play some nickel or dime depending on what he shows. Maybe he turns into a Tramon Williams or Sam Shields. He's got good size for the position, and he's excellent against the run.

Undrafted FA's to look at for the Practice Squad:

Byron Isom a Guard from Auburn. He was an instrumental part of the Zone Read that made Newton look so good. He's infinitely better than Ziemba.

Clint Boling a Tackle from Georgia. He performed extremely well in a brutal confrence.

Ricky Henry a Guard from Nebraska. Powerful run blocker. I like him a lot.

Greg Lloyd a MLB from Uconn. A solid MLB, jack of all trades master of none type.

Weslye Saunders a TE from SC. Big guy, good blocker and a big target for (insert name of QB here)

FA Targets

QB: Seneca Wallace, Caleb Haine or Matt Hasselback.

Neither are perfect, or even good, but we could do worse. Hasselback has been okay when he's had talent around him.

Wallace is another game manager type who although doesn't have a great arm is accurate enough and makes plays with his legs.

Haine was probably playing out of his mind, but it doesn't hurt anything to throw him a small contract and take a look at him during camp.

RB: I like the Beanie Hightower backfield.

FB: Vonta Leach, FB from the Texans

WR: The loser of the Vincent Jackson, Malcom Floyd battle, or James Jones

Jones would have probably been a probowler this year if he didn't drop so many balls.

Jackson/Floyd: are both clearly proven targets that would make (insert QB's name here) happy

OL:1 of-

Carl Nicks (New Orleans-G) Getting a pro bowl lineman who's experience the rigors of an NFL season would be huge for the young O-Line, not to mention his obviously excellent on field production. Only hope of getting him is that New Orleans is trying to sign the rest of their O-Line and we overpay enough to steal him.

Logan Mankins (New England-G) He's been excellent for New England and though his production has fallen off some, he's still a great Guard. Maybe Bellicheck decides to part ways for some reason??

Davin Joseph (Tampa Bay-G) Excellent run blocker, good pass blocker, he broke his foot and missed a part of the season which might make him easier to get, instead of having to overpay something ridiculous for the other two guys.

DL: I like our D-Line especially if Taylor can play some 5 technique

LB: Chad Greenway or Ben Leber. Leber was a very good MLB for the Queens and Greenway had a probowl season at OLB in the 4-3. I think Greenway is good enough to make the transition to a 3-4 MLB.

CBs: Nnamdi Asomugha or Ben Grimes. Wouldn't touch Champ Bailey or Antonio Cromarte with a 40 foot pole

Both are pipe dreams, but scrabble could probably be convinced by overpaying like crazy.

Grimes is a hopeless cause.

Wow, I'm a huge geek for doing all that research.

Anyway the depth chart would be

QB (3): FA /McElroy/Skeley

RB (3): Beanie/Hightower/Stephens-Howling

WR (5): Breaston, Young, Little, Doucet, FA

TE (2): Spach, Patrick

FB (1): Maui'a, Reagan

OL (8): Castonzo/Levi Brown/Moffit/FA/Carimi
2nd String: Faneca, Lutui, Jeremy Bridges

DL (6): Taylor/Dumpster Dan/Dockett
2nd String: Cambell, Branch, Gabe Watson

LB (8): OB Schofield/Nick Barnett/FA/Justin Houston
2nd String: Washington/Sharp/Lennon/Clark

CB (6): DCR/Van Dyke/FA
2nd String: Toller/Adams/Torrence

S(4): Wilson/Rhodes
2nd String: Ware/Johnson

P/K/LS (3): Ghram/Feeley/Leach

51 players. BAM!!!!

That's a team that's stacked with young talent and the rookies make it damn cheap to. I most likely screwed up the backups so let your imagination fix that part. I probably messed something up but let me know and I'll fix it.
 

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Ya this doesnt look all that great.. And Im not trusting someone that has a name of ARodg to have the best interest of the Cardinals in mind.. Sorry
 

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The one positive thing about this is we will be in position to draft Luck at #1 overall in 2012. A for effort, it was an interesting read if nothing else.
 

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Faneca has been hinting at retirement.

I'm not a fan of your FA QB targets, but I do agree with liking the Beanie/Hightower combo. I also like the resigning of Breaston.
 
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Ya this doesnt look all that great.. And Im not trusting someone that has a name of ARodg to have the best interest of the Cardinals in mind.. Sorry

Yeah, I'm a Packers fan who just got into ASU, so I'm trying to get into the Cardinals, because I don't want to be one of those douche bags who just yammers on about how great my team is. I want to be able to talk intelligently about the local team.
 
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The one positive thing about this is we will be in position to draft Luck at #1 overall in 2012. A for effort, it was an interesting read if nothing else.

Is it really that much worse than what we have now??
 

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Yeah, I'm a Packers fan who just got into ASU, so I'm trying to get into the Cardinals, because I don't want to be one of those douche bags who just yammers on about how great my team is. I want to be able to talk intelligently about the local team.

:thumbup:
 

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Yeah, I'm a Packers fan who just got into ASU, so I'm trying to get into the Cardinals, because I don't want to be one of those douche bags who just yammers on about how great my team is. I want to be able to talk intelligently about the local team.
5 cool points have been added to your score. :D
 

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I wouldn't trade Fitz, but I would still pick Titus Young. I think he would be a good speed option for our WR core.
 

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Yeah, I'm a Packers fan who just got into ASU, so I'm trying to get into the Cardinals, because I don't want to be one of those douche bags who just yammers on about how great my team is. I want to be able to talk intelligently about the local team.

Good on you... :thumbup:
 

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The Cards don't have the fan base good will to blow anything up and start over. Very few fans trust the front office to make smart financial or personnel decisions. They certainly can't let a guy who just flew two random fans and two breast cancer survivors to the Pro Bowl leave. Otherwise, the face of the franchise is... I guess a guy who showered live on the internet last summer.

The biggest tragedy of the 2010 season is this could've been a year like the Green Bay Packers had in 2008 when they suffered a 5-11 season in order to bounce back because they were the youngest team in the NFL and they were establishing a bunch of young players almost across the board.

The 2010 season for the Cards featured a handful of starters who will likely never play in the NFL again (D[e]rek Anderson, Porter, Faneca, B. Robsinson) and a bunch of veterans who wasted a year in their primes (Wilson, DRC, Dockett, Campbell, Wells, Hightower, etc.) and a couple of young players who got some experience (Keith, Washington, Williams). All because Whis couldn't get along with #7 or find a legitimate alternative to him.

University of Phoenix Stadium was a quarter empty at the end of this year. Without a blistering hot start, the stadium will be a third empty by the middle of next year. Don't look for the Cards to be opening the season at home whenever that happens (October, IMO). The Cards need an 8-8 season in 2011 badly.
 
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The Cards don't have the fan base good will to blow anything up and start over. Very few fans trust the front office to make smart financial or personnel decisions. They certainly can't let a guy who just flew two random fans and two breast cancer survivors to the Pro Bowl leave. Otherwise, the face of the franchise is... I guess a guy who showered live on the internet last summer.

The biggest tragedy of the 2010 season is this could've been a year like the Green Bay Packers had in 2008 when they suffered a 5-11 season in order to bounce back because they were the youngest team in the NFL and they were establishing a bunch of young players almost across the board.

The 2010 season for the Cards featured a handful of starters who will likely never play in the NFL again (D[e]rek Anderson, Porter, Faneca, B. Robsinson) and a bunch of veterans who wasted a year in their primes (Wilson, DRC, Dockett, Campbell, Wells, Hightower, etc.) and a couple of young players who got some experience (Keith, Washington, Williams). All because Whis couldn't get along with #7 or find a legitimate alternative to him.

University of Phoenix Stadium was a quarter empty at the end of this year. Without a blistering hot start, the stadium will be a third empty by the middle of next year. Don't look for the Cards to be opening the season at home whenever that happens (October, IMO). The Cards need an 8-8 season in 2011 badly.

I guess wouldn't that be the point of this season, phase out the veterans and start over with a new team. 2 rookie WRs, 3 Rookie O-Line man, A Rookie DE, a Rookie Rush LB, and 2 rookie CBs. Seems like as good a place as any to start.

And hey, if it fails miserably we get our franchise QB next year.
 

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I appreciate your hard work and time spent putting this together.

However, I disagree with much of your assessment.

First. We cannot trade Fitz. I know there is inherent value with him; however, he is arguably the most talented WR in the league and the face of the franchise. Let me put it to you this way. Any WR who can get 90 receptions and 1100+ yards with four garbage or inexperienced QBs throwing to him and getting into the probowl is very impressive. The only other receiver I think that can get those stats in a similar situation is Andre Johnson. A great example is Roddy White out of Atlanta. He was a good receiver prior to Matt Ryan's arrival but blew up when he became the starter. In his first year with him, White had almost 1400 yards receiver. The following year when Ryan was struggling with injury, his stats went down to 1150. Then this season with a 100% Ryan, White went back to the same stats he had in 2008.

The bottom line is the QB position is imperative to a receiver's success. Fitz is a guy who with a quality QB on the payroll can torch secondaries. You may be scared off with the money for which he is asking, but it goes further than production on the field. You let him test the market and he's gone along with a handful of fans. In addition to which, your assessment includes Breaston as the #1 receiver with Doucet as the #2. We would be in dire straights in the passing game unless we signed another quality wideout. Even if you consider that simple proposition, it is convincing enough to re-sign him.

Then there are your choices of QBs. Seneca Wallace is not a QBoF type. When I have seen him play, he tends to panic when the pocket collapses. His career stat line looks decent for a back up but when you are a QB for the Browns and cant supplant Delhomme or McCoy, then you arent that good. Simple.

People are basing Hanie off of one quarter of work in the NFC Championship game. While it was somewhat impressive (more productive than what Cutler did), it's still not much to go off of. Even during that time he threw two picks including one up the middle when Raji dropped into coverage. If in your reads you cannot spot the 340lbs fat ass camping out in the middle and throw over him, then you need work. He would be a risky project and stop gap at best.

While Hasselbeck would be duct tape to the situation, I would be ok with his signing. however, I think he's re-signing with Seattle so I wont get my hopes up. Id rather take a shot at getting Kolb or Palmer in that order through trade.

I like your drive to sign either Mankins or Joseph. With Faneca retiring and Lutui possibly leaving, we need quality guys to step up and even improve the interior line.
 
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Yeah, you lost me at Hanie. When a coordinator gameplans against him, he'll look like a 3rd stringer, as he should.

Like lots of the other ideas, but replacing Deuce with Levi? Yuck... Why replace our best lineman with one of our worst, at a position he's never played?
 

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I guess wouldn't that be the point of this season, phase out the veterans and start over with a new team. 2 rookie WRs, 3 Rookie O-Line man, A Rookie DE, a Rookie Rush LB, and 2 rookie CBs. Seems like as good a place as any to start.

And hey, if it fails miserably we get our franchise QB next year.

Because there's zero chance that 9 rookies become above-average NFL players, and little chance that 5 of those rookies become even average NFL players.

And if that plan fails then the team is playing in a stadium that's at 25% capacity and no reason for casual fans to come to the game. I know you're a new Cardinals fan, but we saw basically this exact thing happen in 2003 and we didn't become a competitive team for another 5 years.
 
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Because there's zero chance that 9 rookies become above-average NFL players, and little chance that 5 of those rookies become even average NFL players.

And if that plan fails then the team is playing in a stadium that's at 25% capacity and no reason for casual fans to come to the game. I know you're a new Cardinals fan, but we saw basically this exact thing happen in 2003 and we didn't become a competitive team for another 5 years.

I would be willing to bet that 5 of those 9 players become average players. If you have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds alone you need those players to turn into something good and if they don't it's a problem with the coaching staff.
 
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Uh, or the player evaluators. Considering our recent success or lack thereof, I'm skeptical.

or the talent evaluation but since I'm advocating for a fantasy off season I really hope the talent evaluation isn't that bad. I'd like to think I'm better than Graves
 

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I would be willing to bet that 5 of those 9 players become average players. If you have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds alone you need those players to turn into something good and if they don't it's a problem with the coaching staff.

Well, look at the Cards' last 6 first- and second-round picks. You have Beanie Wells, Cody Brown, DRC, Calais Campbell, Levi Brown, and Alan Branch.

Of those guys, only DRC has become a standout star, and Campbell is the other one to become an above-average NFL starter. The rest are below average or worse--and I say this is someone who really likes Beanie Wells. You may need those players to turn into something good, but that doesn't mean that it happens.
 
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Well, look at the Cards' last 6 first- and second-round picks. You have Beanie Wells, Cody Brown, DRC, Calais Campbell, Levi Brown, and Alan Branch.

Of those guys, only DRC has become a standout star, and Campbell is the other one to become an above-average NFL starter. The rest are below average or worse--and I say this is someone who really likes Beanie Wells. You may need those players to turn into something good, but that doesn't mean that it happens.

If the organization doesn't have confidence in it's ability to build through the draft than it's a hopeless cause anyway.
 

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If the organization doesn't have confidence in it's ability to build through the draft than it's a hopeless cause anyway.

I'm sure that the organization is confident that they can build through the draft, I just don't think that anyone outside it is. But I think that personnel hits from the organization should be filed under "blind squirrel finding nut" until they show that it can be done with consistency.

You're not dealing with an NFL-caliber organization when you're dealing with the Cards' personnel department. They're much more like the Lions or Bengals than they are the Dolphins, Packers, or Patriots.
 

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And the Packers aren't off the hook, either. Here are their last 6 first- and second-round picks.

B.J. Raji
Clay Matthews
Jordy Nelson
Brian Brohm
Justin Harrell
Brandon Jackson

Raji and Matthews look like perrennial pro bowlers. Brohm, Harrell, and Jackson are all stink-bombs. Brohm lost his job to an undrafted rookie free agent in training camp, Harrell has 2 starts in 3 seasons, and Brandon Jackson got his job yanked by another undrafted rookie free agent. Jordy Nelson is your 5th receiving option when Finley is healthy.

That's why you don't trade away untarnished stars for draft picks. I love the way the Green Bay Packers do business most of the time, but when you're putting your franchise in the hands of a bunch of guys who haven't played a game before, you're really in a precarious position.
 

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And the Packers aren't off the hook, either. Here are their last 6 first- and second-round picks.

B.J. Raji
Clay Matthews
Jordy Nelson
Brian Brohm
Justin Harrell
Brandon Jackson

Raji and Matthews look like perrennial pro bowlers. Brohm, Harrell, and Jackson are all stink-bombs. Brohm lost his job to an undrafted rookie free agent in training camp, Harrell has 2 starts in 3 seasons, and Brandon Jackson got his job yanked by another undrafted rookie free agent. Jordy Nelson is your 5th receiving option when Finley is healthy.

That's why you don't trade away untarnished stars for draft picks. I love the way the Green Bay Packers do business most of the time, but when you're putting your franchise in the hands of a bunch of guys who haven't played a game before, you're really in a precarious position.



A lot of other teams do.
 
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