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The Official Leinart is Toast thread.
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I say and stand by the fact that Justin Miller's toast is darker!
Pariah
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I'm just sorry I missed the first one.
Leinart may or may not work out, but to bury him right now is kind of... crazy. Isn't it? I mean he played a decent preseason game 1, right?
Leinart may or may not work out, but to bury him right now is kind of... crazy. Isn't it? I mean he played a decent preseason game 1, right?
seesred
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For what its worth.....Matt has a better QB rating than Warner had his last pre season. Give him sometime to get the o-line fixed.
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We can't really judge anything about our offense at all until the Cards do something about their Maginot, I mean Offensive, Line.
It must be something about Grimm's coaching because the Cards oline seems to have a number of plays where they leave somebody unblocked with a clear shot at the QB or RB and stone the other defenders. That's why making the first guy miss is so important for our RBs.
Buckybird
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I say and stand by the fact that Justin Miller's toast is darker!
& Miller's toast clearly had a #47 carved into it. Can we please just cut this guy yesterday.
For getting beat by the #2 WR in football? No.
Buckybird
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When has Miller ever done anything as an NFL CB? He blows & always will!!!
He put on #47 in an Arizona Cardinals jersey, that counts for something with me. I will let the Coaches decide if he gets to keep it.
Now, can we please get back to bashing another member of our team?
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He put on #47 in an Arizona Cardinals jersey, that counts for something with me. I will let the Coaches decide if he gets to keep it.
Now, can we please get back to bashing another member of our team?
You didn't paint your face this game so it's all your fault!!!!!!
You didn't paint your face this game so it's all your fault!!!!!!
Come on, it's pre-season. I don't know what Skelton was thinking by winning it, we're not supposed to win at home in pre-season. At least the starters didn't do anything to become overconfident and slack off in practice!
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Does that make BW and TH PB&J?
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That might be a bad omen. I think we remember all too well the last guy to wear #47 and that he got beat on a catch for a TD too...
Toast, A HaikuSome say Matt is toast
Haters toll the bell the most
Is this just to boast?
Lovers gonna love
For the team or for the man?
Cards will rise above
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7 passes into the preseason, and a list of old, tired reasons why Matt Leinart isn't the guy.
There is nothing to discuss.
Some people think Matt is "toast" or in other words, sucks. Some people think to give him a chance.
Again nothing new. I will not spend time over-analyzing, or entertaining opinions about Leinart's leadership ability, or his suposid lack of a ability to be accountable since, IMO, they are based on nothing but bias opinion.
As for blaming Fitz's injury on Matt's throw ? That is pretty poor logic. Unlike the Boldin incident from last year the pass was on target. Our high water mark at QB, Warner, almost killed a reciever or two during his time here in AZ. It is part of the game, and if it is no accepted that then dare I say people are reaching for bad things to say towards Leinart.
As for John Skelton ? I mean Prestons Parsons, I mean John Navarre, I mean Casey Stone, I mean Shane Boyd, etc., etc., etc.
If John Skelton where to start at QB it would mean: A. Whiz would go against his 3 year mantra of not starting rookies. B. We would officially be in a re-build mode and expecting 3 to 5 wins this year. C. Might have Skelton regressing instead of progressing, D. Would have to watch A LOT of INT's. He threw some dangerous throws in a preseason game, IMO. They worked out, and that is great, but dangerous none the less.
First preseason game, and we already want to sit the QB. Sounds like we are right on schedule
There is nothing to discuss.
Some people think Matt is "toast" or in other words, sucks. Some people think to give him a chance.
Again nothing new. I will not spend time over-analyzing, or entertaining opinions about Leinart's leadership ability, or his suposid lack of a ability to be accountable since, IMO, they are based on nothing but bias opinion.
As for blaming Fitz's injury on Matt's throw ? That is pretty poor logic. Unlike the Boldin incident from last year the pass was on target. Our high water mark at QB, Warner, almost killed a reciever or two during his time here in AZ. It is part of the game, and if it is no accepted that then dare I say people are reaching for bad things to say towards Leinart.
As for John Skelton ? I mean Prestons Parsons, I mean John Navarre, I mean Casey Stone, I mean Shane Boyd, etc., etc., etc.
If John Skelton where to start at QB it would mean: A. Whiz would go against his 3 year mantra of not starting rookies. B. We would officially be in a re-build mode and expecting 3 to 5 wins this year. C. Might have Skelton regressing instead of progressing, D. Would have to watch A LOT of INT's. He threw some dangerous throws in a preseason game, IMO. They worked out, and that is great, but dangerous none the less.
First preseason game, and we already want to sit the QB. Sounds like we are right on schedule
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I don't think Leinart is toast but there is one thing that concerns me about his game and that is he seems to play with a lack of urgency. With Warner, it seemed like he was trying to get the most out of every play and that every play was important, thus alot of TD's to go with his 5 ints games. With Leinart, he seems to have the take what the defense gives you and if it doesn't work out we'll get 'em next time laid back approach. It's only pre-season and sometimes QB's have a hard time getting in rhythm but I would like to see Leinart take charge a little bit more. All through camp we've heard about how Dockett, AW, and Porter are holding guys accountable but we haven't heard anything on that from the offensive side of the ball.
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Ahh I forgot about Shane Boyd. Remember when a certain poster wanted us to cut Warner and have Boyd back-up Leinart and carry only 2 QBs that season? ...this year he wants us to carry 4 QBs or cut Leinart.
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jmt
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A ridiculous notion. Anderson sucks, Skelton is way too green. Matty 's our QB, like it or lump it. GBR!
OP
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Toast is, and will be, the starter. DA is not going to beat him out and JS will only play if there are injuries. Kurt Warner isn't walking through that door and the sooner people can get over that, the better. Booing Toast for a 95 pass rating from two series in preaseason with piss poor protection is ludicrous, and even if we won the division again there are probably more than a few that will keep grinding the ax.
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Mitch
Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Leinart Is The Most
Leinart is not toast.
Far from it.
In fact, he is The Most PREPARED QB to lead the Cardinals into the Post-Warner era.
Leinart has now played in Whiz's system for three years. His familiarity with the system and with his teammates gives him an enormous advantage.
He's waited patiently.
He knows the system works.
He knows the personnel around him is strong.
This is why he wanted to stay with the Cardinals even when Kurt Warner was signed last year for two more years...and teams around the league were desperate to sign or trade for good young QBs.
Leinart could have demanded a trade.
He did nothing of the sort.
Instead, he prepared diligently with the understanding that if Warner were to get dinged up, he would be ready so that the team would not miss a beat.
In his one chance to start, at Tennessee last year, Leinart was efficient and did more than enough to help the team win. In fact, he rallied the team from behind and had the team ahead with under two minutes to go in the game. But, Vince Young pulled a rabbit out of the hat by directing his Titans on a game-winning 99 yard TD drive which culminated on a last second TD pass under the left goalpost to rookie WR Kenny Britt.
There was no time left on the clock for Leinart to answer.
Thus, this Monday night, Leinart will be back in Tennessee under the bright Monday Night Football lights ready to answer any doubts about his ability to lead the Cardinals to a third-consecutive NFC West Championship.
For those who believe in full circles...it is fitting that Matt Leinart will attempt to resurrect his career starting with a Monday Night Football exhibition, for it was four years ago that Leinart shined on that national stage when he pitched a great game versus the then invincible Chicago Bears and their vaunted defense led by Brian Urlacher.
In that extraordinary game, which led to Denny Green's now infamous "they were who we thought they were and we let them off the hook!" post-game tirade, Leinart actually had a little time on the clock to give the Cardinals a chance to still win that game.
At the time, after the Cardinals had done the unthinkable by squandering a big fourth quarter lead by coughing up a fumble that was returned for a TD and then on the next possession giving up an easy punt return TD to Devin Hester, all the air seemed to be sucked out of the Cardinals' sails.
But, Matt Leinart had an answer. He methodically led the team in a precise two-minute drill. And in extremely impressive fashion was able to get the team close to the Bears' 30 yard line, which enabled a 47 yard field goal attempt by Neil Rackers.
You know, sometimes funny things happen on the way to the forum. One has to wonder what would have ever happened if Neil Rackers had made that field goal and had the then hapless Cardinals gone on to win the game.
Sure, football fans would have been deprived of one of the most amusing post-game rants since Jim Mora's hysterical "PLAYOFFS??? did you say PLAYOFFS???" rant.
But, imagine what might have happened otherwise. Would that stunning win have propelled Matt Leinart into the upper eschelon of good, young and promising starting QBs? Would that win have prolonged Denny Green's tenure in the desert? Would that win have relegated Kurt Warner to the sidelines for good?
The Cardinals fell in like a house of cards after that. The offensive coordinator was fired following the game, even though it was Denny Green's insistence to pound Edgerrin James into the Bears' defensive wall ad nauseum play after play in that fourth quarter.
Leinart was up and down...just as the Cardinals were...and the culture was unstable...even volatile.
Fast forward to today and in light of the stability and structure that Ken Whisenhunt has brought to the Cardinals, what you have in Matt Leinart is a young man who has matured both as a football professional, but as a father and a person. Like his predecessor Kurt Warner, Leinart has given very generous amounts of his time and money to people in need. He does it without any fanfare...he simply does it out of the goodness of his heart.
This off-season Leinart prepared for the season by working closely with Tom Brady and by being a regular participator in John Lott's strength and conditioning program. Lott asserts that few players worked harder or are in better shape than Matt Leinart.
When John Lott believes in you...you've got a great thing going.
Sure cynics still question Leinart about his much discussed off-the-field debauchery as pictures of Leinart chugging down beer bongs and preening in hot tubs surrounded by an array of big-breasted young blondes are still popular hits on the internet.
Yet, Leinart is getting lei-ed in a different way this time around...
He organized and financed a trip to Hawaii for the members of his offensive line. He even included newly acquired guard Alan Faneca who is certainly no stranger to Hawaii, as the stalwart Faneca has been a Pro Bowler every year for the last nine years.
Great move by Leinart. And a generous one at that.
In a year where the exploits of his USC National Championship team have been marred and stripped of their glory thanks to the exposing of egregious violations committed by Reggie Bush and other student athletes...
Matt Leinart has the opportunity to distinguish himself and his career as an NFL quarterback.
Four years ago...there was a Monday Night Football swagger and quiet confidence to Matt Leinart that has since faded...and now this week...this Monday night...Matt Leinart can retrieve that swagger and that quiet confidence and prove to the football world that he is back under the lights where he belongs, this time to stay.
Leinart is not toast.
Far from it.
In fact, he is The Most PREPARED QB to lead the Cardinals into the Post-Warner era.
Leinart has now played in Whiz's system for three years. His familiarity with the system and with his teammates gives him an enormous advantage.
He's waited patiently.
He knows the system works.
He knows the personnel around him is strong.
This is why he wanted to stay with the Cardinals even when Kurt Warner was signed last year for two more years...and teams around the league were desperate to sign or trade for good young QBs.
Leinart could have demanded a trade.
He did nothing of the sort.
Instead, he prepared diligently with the understanding that if Warner were to get dinged up, he would be ready so that the team would not miss a beat.
In his one chance to start, at Tennessee last year, Leinart was efficient and did more than enough to help the team win. In fact, he rallied the team from behind and had the team ahead with under two minutes to go in the game. But, Vince Young pulled a rabbit out of the hat by directing his Titans on a game-winning 99 yard TD drive which culminated on a last second TD pass under the left goalpost to rookie WR Kenny Britt.
There was no time left on the clock for Leinart to answer.
Thus, this Monday night, Leinart will be back in Tennessee under the bright Monday Night Football lights ready to answer any doubts about his ability to lead the Cardinals to a third-consecutive NFC West Championship.
For those who believe in full circles...it is fitting that Matt Leinart will attempt to resurrect his career starting with a Monday Night Football exhibition, for it was four years ago that Leinart shined on that national stage when he pitched a great game versus the then invincible Chicago Bears and their vaunted defense led by Brian Urlacher.
In that extraordinary game, which led to Denny Green's now infamous "they were who we thought they were and we let them off the hook!" post-game tirade, Leinart actually had a little time on the clock to give the Cardinals a chance to still win that game.
At the time, after the Cardinals had done the unthinkable by squandering a big fourth quarter lead by coughing up a fumble that was returned for a TD and then on the next possession giving up an easy punt return TD to Devin Hester, all the air seemed to be sucked out of the Cardinals' sails.
But, Matt Leinart had an answer. He methodically led the team in a precise two-minute drill. And in extremely impressive fashion was able to get the team close to the Bears' 30 yard line, which enabled a 47 yard field goal attempt by Neil Rackers.
You know, sometimes funny things happen on the way to the forum. One has to wonder what would have ever happened if Neil Rackers had made that field goal and had the then hapless Cardinals gone on to win the game.
Sure, football fans would have been deprived of one of the most amusing post-game rants since Jim Mora's hysterical "PLAYOFFS??? did you say PLAYOFFS???" rant.
But, imagine what might have happened otherwise. Would that stunning win have propelled Matt Leinart into the upper eschelon of good, young and promising starting QBs? Would that win have prolonged Denny Green's tenure in the desert? Would that win have relegated Kurt Warner to the sidelines for good?
The Cardinals fell in like a house of cards after that. The offensive coordinator was fired following the game, even though it was Denny Green's insistence to pound Edgerrin James into the Bears' defensive wall ad nauseum play after play in that fourth quarter.
Leinart was up and down...just as the Cardinals were...and the culture was unstable...even volatile.
Fast forward to today and in light of the stability and structure that Ken Whisenhunt has brought to the Cardinals, what you have in Matt Leinart is a young man who has matured both as a football professional, but as a father and a person. Like his predecessor Kurt Warner, Leinart has given very generous amounts of his time and money to people in need. He does it without any fanfare...he simply does it out of the goodness of his heart.
This off-season Leinart prepared for the season by working closely with Tom Brady and by being a regular participator in John Lott's strength and conditioning program. Lott asserts that few players worked harder or are in better shape than Matt Leinart.
When John Lott believes in you...you've got a great thing going.
Sure cynics still question Leinart about his much discussed off-the-field debauchery as pictures of Leinart chugging down beer bongs and preening in hot tubs surrounded by an array of big-breasted young blondes are still popular hits on the internet.
Yet, Leinart is getting lei-ed in a different way this time around...
He organized and financed a trip to Hawaii for the members of his offensive line. He even included newly acquired guard Alan Faneca who is certainly no stranger to Hawaii, as the stalwart Faneca has been a Pro Bowler every year for the last nine years.
Great move by Leinart. And a generous one at that.
In a year where the exploits of his USC National Championship team have been marred and stripped of their glory thanks to the exposing of egregious violations committed by Reggie Bush and other student athletes...
Matt Leinart has the opportunity to distinguish himself and his career as an NFL quarterback.
Four years ago...there was a Monday Night Football swagger and quiet confidence to Matt Leinart that has since faded...and now this week...this Monday night...Matt Leinart can retrieve that swagger and that quiet confidence and prove to the football world that he is back under the lights where he belongs, this time to stay.
OP
OP
LOL. Mitch, are you bi-polar?
FWIW, I like this side better.
FWIW, I like this side better.
JeffGollin
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If you had to decide right now which of the 4 Cardinal QB's would give us the best shot at winning, it would still be Leinart, so forget about the Toast tag for now.
For this to change 3, 6, 8 weeks down the line (& assuming none of our QB's get injured), Anderson would have to make great strides or Skelton would have to run a 3 or 4 week streak playing at a sick level (& against other teams' 1st stringers).
I'm not saying that either scenario couldn't conceivably happen, but I don't think so.
I'll concede that the way Matt opened the game was downright butt-ugly, and I refuse to concede that each screw-up was someone else's fault (i.e. Sendlein's back foot, Breaston's execution etc.).
A passing attack is a many tentacled animal comprised of blockers, receivers and a passer. Regardless of who did what, the animal failed and the QB is the nerve-center of the animal and, as such, must be held accountable.
The real issue must be: "How does Matt look from here on out? Under his leadership, will our offense continue to look like a bunch of Keystone Cops? Or will it settle down?"
Even if it doesn't, I still think we'll have a better chance of winning with Leinart as QB (because, right now, Anderson is performing even worse and raw rooks from small schools represent extreme long shots - although I can't help but wonder...).
All said - I think things will stabilize, and Matt will do fine.
(Gulp!)
For this to change 3, 6, 8 weeks down the line (& assuming none of our QB's get injured), Anderson would have to make great strides or Skelton would have to run a 3 or 4 week streak playing at a sick level (& against other teams' 1st stringers).
I'm not saying that either scenario couldn't conceivably happen, but I don't think so.
I'll concede that the way Matt opened the game was downright butt-ugly, and I refuse to concede that each screw-up was someone else's fault (i.e. Sendlein's back foot, Breaston's execution etc.).
A passing attack is a many tentacled animal comprised of blockers, receivers and a passer. Regardless of who did what, the animal failed and the QB is the nerve-center of the animal and, as such, must be held accountable.
The real issue must be: "How does Matt look from here on out? Under his leadership, will our offense continue to look like a bunch of Keystone Cops? Or will it settle down?"
Even if it doesn't, I still think we'll have a better chance of winning with Leinart as QB (because, right now, Anderson is performing even worse and raw rooks from small schools represent extreme long shots - although I can't help but wonder...).
All said - I think things will stabilize, and Matt will do fine.
(Gulp!)
