duece question

[BigRedRage]

I like duece and wish he would sign his tender but who knows whats going on.


I keep seeing people say "trade duece" is that even possible without him signing his tender? or is all we can do is revoke the tender and let him walk?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I like duece and wish he would sign his tender but who knows whats going on.


I keep seeing people say "trade duece" is that even possible without him signing his tender? or is all we can do is revoke the tender and let him walk?

No and Yes

 

[Reddog]

I say we keep him or do a sign and trade. I dont want to see him in Seattle. Can we lower the tender if he hasn't signed it yet?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I hope Deuce Lutui signs as well. Faneca has been brought in, "on the cheap", and he will have to earn a starting spot.

My fear about Deuce is where his head is at. I know it is tough that he cannot become a UFA this offseason, but it is what it is. Sitting on his offer is not going to help him, IMO. Furthermore, if Deuce wants to be paid, then he has to come in here and show the Cardinals and NFL that he is a top tier guard.

Cause personally I have not seen it. Lutui has been inconsistant IMO, and since coming to Arizona has been given A LOT of playing time. He might be suffering from the Elton Brown disease of thinking he is worth A LOT more than he really is on the market.

Makes no sense, but bringing in Faneca is good for the team. It allows the Cardinals not to sweat what Lutui is doing right now. If Deuce doesn't want to show up and work that is fine, but he is officially competing against Faneca, Hadnot, Wells, and Herman Johnson. A late start may find his butt on the bench, and cost him millions.

 

[Pariah]

What happens if he doesn't sign? Is there a deadline at which point he's free to sign with whichever team he wants?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

What happens if he doesn't sign? Is there a deadline at which point he's free to sign with whichever team he wants?

June 15th.. and no. He remains Cards property.

In the end, He's not going to leave $2M guaranteed on signature on the table.

 

[joeshmo]

Furthermore Cards have told Somers and Urban they will not pull the offer from the table.

Second I think a case can be made that Lutui was our best and most consistent OL last year, coaches have even implied as much. So with his youth and finally putting it together I see no reason why the Cards would take the offer off of the table without some really good compensation. IMO I think they will quietly search for a trade partner for a Wells trade at some point.

 

[BigRedRage]

so if h doesnt sign the tender hes still a cardinal? can he play?

 

[JeffGollin]

There has to be a back story that we're not getting.

A guy who was an admitted "Cardinal diehard" before he was drafted here doesn't suddenly opt out of signing his tender and not show up at voluntary workouts unless something (more than standard agent/negotiations crap) is really bothering him.

But regardless of what's going on inside of Deuce's head - his holdout logically greased the way for us to sign Faneca (and/or Hadnot earlier) if for no other reason than for "Deuce insurance" and what this has done is to create a logjam at both guard positions.

This, in turn, figures to make it more tempting for the Cardinal FO to explore trade possibilities that would have us part with one of our surplus offensive linemen in exchange for a veteran cover-corner, inside LB or TE.

This is when your GM says something along the lines of: "Football is a business/nothing personal." I think that's true. The situation becomes less one of whether Deuce or Reggie or anyone else is or isn't a good guy - it's just the way the dominos are falling.

 

[TJ]

so if h doesnt sign the tender hes still a cardinal? can he play?

He cannot pull out of the tender unless we take it off the table. He's a Cardinal unless we say so

 

[Stout]

It seems like standard negotiating stuff to me. I'm not worried.

 

[Catfish]

There has to be a back story that we're not getting.

A guy who was an admitted "Cardinal diehard" before he was drafted here doesn't suddenly opt out of signing his tender and not show up at voluntary workouts unless something (more than standard agent/negotiations crap) is really bothering him.

But regardless of what's going on inside of Deuce's head - his holdout logically greased the way for us to sign Faneca (and/or Hadnot earlier) if for no other reason than for "Deuce insurance" and what this has done is to create a logjam at both guard positions.

This, in turn, figures to make it more tempting for the Cardinal FO to explore trade possibilities that would have us part with one of our surplus offensive linemen in exchange for a veteran cover-corner, inside LB or TE.

This is when your GM says something along the lines of: "Football is a business/nothing personal." I think that's true. The situation becomes less one of whether Deuce or Reggie or anyone else is or isn't a good guy - it's just the way the dominos are falling.

Your post makes one whole lot of sense Jeff-----does anybody know who Deuce's agent is? That might give us some idea into what the back story is.

 

[john h]

Furthermore Cards have told Somers and Urban they will not pull the offer from the table.

Second I think a case can be made that Lutui was our best and most consistent OL last year, coaches have even implied as much. So with his youth and finally putting it together I see no reason why the Cards would take the offer off of the table without some really good compensation. IMO I think they will quietly search for a trade partner for a Wells trade at some point.

I hope we keep the guy one way or the other. He has been a good player. We are acquiring some standouts but we do not want to lose a young guy like Duece.

 

[john h]

There has to be a back story that we're not getting.

A guy who was an admitted "Cardinal diehard" before he was drafted here doesn't suddenly opt out of signing his tender and not show up at voluntary workouts unless something (more than standard agent/negotiations crap) is really bothering him.

But regardless of what's going on inside of Deuce's head - his holdout logically greased the way for us to sign Faneca (and/or Hadnot earlier) if for no other reason than for "Deuce insurance" and what this has done is to create a logjam at both guard positions.

This, in turn, figures to make it more tempting for the Cardinal FO to explore trade possibilities that would have us part with one of our surplus offensive linemen in exchange for a veteran cover-corner, inside LB or TE

This is when your GM says something along the lines of: "Football is a business/nothing personal." I think that's true. The situation becomes less one of whether Deuce or Reggie or anyone else is or isn't a good guy - it's just the way the dominos are falling.

Good observation Jeff.

 

[Mitch]

There has to be a back story that we're not getting.

A guy who was an admitted "Cardinal diehard" before he was drafted here doesn't suddenly opt out of signing his tender and not show up at voluntary workouts unless something (more than standard agent/negotiations crap) is really bothering him.

But regardless of what's going on inside of Deuce's head - his holdout logically greased the way for us to sign Faneca (and/or Hadnot earlier) if for no other reason than for "Deuce insurance" and what this has done is to create a logjam at both guard positions.

This, in turn, figures to make it more tempting for the Cardinal FO to explore trade possibilities that would have us part with one of our surplus offensive linemen in exchange for a veteran cover-corner, inside LB or TE.

This is when your GM says something along the lines of: "Football is a business/nothing personal." I think that's true. The situation becomes less one of whether Deuce or Reggie or anyone else is or isn't a good guy - it's just the way the dominos are falling.

Best post of the day!

Think of it this way. Has Deuce been paying attention?

Who gets the good new contracts with the Cardinals?

The good soldiers who show up and work hard and don't complain...see Adrian Wilson.

It makes me wonder whether Deuce simply wants out of Arizona.

This whole scenario is bizarre.

That said, it also makes me very curious as to why the Cardinals have not made any moves to agree to new contracts with any of their 4 year vets who are qualified to become UFAs next year.

That obviously includes Steve Breaston.

Add Ben Patick, Gabe Watson and Alan Branch to that list.

It's very strange, especially in a no cap year.

The message clearly is: none of these guys are considered "core."

Do you think any of these guys are deserving of new contracts?

I do.

I'd like them all to be re-signed.

But, I guess the Cardinals still think they can strike deals with players headed into the UFA world.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Best post of the day!

Think of it this way. Has Deuce been paying attention?

Who gets the good new contracts with the Cardinals?

The good soldiers who show up and work hard and don't complain...see Adrian Wilson.

It makes me wonder whether Deuce simply wants out of Arizona.

This whole scenario is bizarre.

That said, it also makes me very curious as to why the Cardinals have not made any moves to agree to new contracts with any of their 4 year vets who are qualified to become UFAs next year.

That obviously includes Steve Breaston.

Add Ben Patick, Gabe Watson and Alan Branch to that list.

It's very strange, especially in a no cap year.

The message clearly is: none of these guys are considered "core."

Do you think any of these guys are deserving of new contracts?

I do.

I'd like them all to be re-signed.

But, I guess the Cardinals still think they can strike deals with players headed into the UFA world.

Why would you re-sign Watson and Branch? And, if in fact the Cards do want to re-sign them, who's to say that an agreement could be reached in terms of money?? I mean, what the heck as either of them done to earn a longer term deal from this team at this stage? IMO - not much if anything at all...
This season is HUGE for both of them. Play well and perhaps you can reach a longer term deal with the Cards. Otherwise, ADIOS!

As for Breaston - yes, sign him NOW!

 

[Duckjake]

Who gets the good new contracts with the Cardinals?

The good soldiers who show up and work hard and don't complain...see Adrian Wilson.

Meanwhile the bad soldiers get good new contracts from other teams.

That said, it also makes me very curious as to why the Cardinals have not made any moves to agree to new contracts with any of their 4 year vets who are qualified to become UFAs next year.

I still think that the Cards are seriously looking at cash flow. Cash up front for signing bonuses and weekly cash for salaries.

Not a bad move with the economic downturn and the possibility of no football in 2011.

 

[49erTroll]

We'll take duece! You guys dont want him send him west...the weather is nice.

Oh 67 degrees! niiice. this is fishing weather

 

[Tyler]

The only duece you are going to get is the play of your team!!

 

[49erTroll]

The only duece you are going to get is the play of your team!!

failblog

 

[BigRedRage]

The only duece you are going to get is the play of your team!!

good job

 

[Stout]

We'll take duece! You guys dont want him send him west...the weather is nice.

Oh 67 degrees! niiice. this is fishing weather

But, but, you said your O-line is superior to ours? So why would you want Lutui? Oh, that's right...one of your first round picks is an offensive guard that thinks holding means blocking...riiiight.

 

[anks106]

Why would you re-sign Watson and Branch? And, if in fact the Cards do want to re-sign them, who's to say that an agreement could be reached in terms of money?? I mean, what the heck as either of them done to earn a longer term deal from this team at this stage? IMO - not much if anything at all...
This season is HUGE for both of them. Play well and perhaps you can reach a longer term deal with the Cards. Otherwise, ADIOS!

As for Breaston - yes, sign him NOW!

I actually think it is Watson and Branch who would want to wait out resigning. Now, this is making a fairly large assumption that both of those guys have been working hard and aren't gonna coast this season. But, if that is the case, and given the contract year.. it often is, they wouldn't be wise to resign just yet. Branch was a colossal bust until showing some light when moved to end, a solid year at end would help his value as he would be considered a guy who was out of position, not a guy who had a good few weeks. Gabe played very well his rookie year, when Dockett was tearing things apart in his conversion to a 3-4 end, who did he give credit to? The big NT playing next to him. He hasn't been the same since that knee injury, and had another one to boot against the Saints. His value is shot right now, if he comes back next year and struggles.. he is still a NT on the mend w/ potential who will likely sign on the cheap, same as he'd have to now. On the other hand, if he gets the knee in shape and leaps B-rob on the depth chart, he could forseeably begin next year as the starter and hit FA as a guy who lost his job to a 1st round pick, an easier sell for an agent than "he played well 2 years and 2 knee injuries ago!"

 

[187]

We'll take duece! You guys dont want him send him west...the weather is nice.

Oh 67 degrees! niiice. this is fishing weather

And if you're on the 49ers good fishing weather is crucial, especially in January when the playoffs are starting. 49ers players have to keep themselves occupied somehow