Veteran Free Agent Corners Available?

[Buckybird]

I'm assumimg they HAVE to bring someone in. They can't go into the season with the defensive backfield as it sets. If they don't bring in anyone then the trade was horrendous. I don't think it's too hard to find someone better than Adams.

can you imagine Barksdale or McBride seeing the field? OMG could these guys really be on the roster at the start of the season?

 

[kerouac9]

In case people are looking for a list, NFL.com has a good free agent tracker if you can find it:

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#playe...r-position/players-list-links-position:pos-cb

Will Allen is out there, Ralph Brown is still available, Vernon Fox (DEN) doesn't totally suck, Brian Russell (HOU), Deshea Townsend (another old Pittsburgh guy),

 

[Mulli]

In case people are looking for a list, NFL.com has a good free agent tracker if you can find it:

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#playe...r-position/players-list-links-position:pos-cb

Will Allen is out there, Ralph Brown is still available, Vernon Fox (DEN) doesn't totally suck, Brian Russell (HOU), Deshea Townsend (another old Pittsburgh guy),

Thanks. I was trying to find that.

 

[juza76]

the free agents cornerback sucks, a sixth rounder cant be starter for sure so the only logical way is make a trade...

 

[Evil Ash]

the free agents cornerback sucks, a sixth rounder cant be starter for sure so the only logical way is make a trade...

We aren't looking for a starter. DRC and Toler are our starters. We're looking for a nickleback

 

[juza76]

We aren't looking for a starter. DRC and Toler are our starters. We're looking for a nickleback

yes i know,but nichel cornerback is an important role

 

[Evil Ash]

yes i know,but nichel cornerback is an important role

So is a backup DLineman in our scheme. It would be a step sideways not forward

 

[kerouac9]

We aren't looking for a starter. DRC and Toler are our starters. We're looking for a nickleback

More than that. You want a nickel back/spot starter. Especially because our 3rd corner really only comes out in dime situations (because we so frequently play with three safeties), we've decided that we're going to live with two starting-caliber players at corner and then a bunch of scrubs.

But--again--a high ankle sprain away from having Mike Adams as your starting cornerback for 5 or six weeks.

 

[overseascardfan]

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#playe...r-position/players-list-links-position:pos-cb

Biggest names:

Dre Bly
Ty Law
Ken Lucas
Samari Rolle
Fred Smoot

Smoot & Lucas please at least to try and compete with Toler in lieu of just annointing the guy a starter opposite DRC.

 

[az1965]

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#playe...r-position/players-list-links-position:pos-cb

Biggest names:

Dre Bly
Ty Law
Ken Lucas
Samari Rolle
Fred Smoot

There is a reason these are available now... also, any veteran coming in would have to play special teams as well.

 

[az1965]

DRC being susceptible to injuries further makes the situation critical. I hope Whiz and Graves have a plan.

 

[Cardiac]

Lott has his hands on DRC this entire offseason and is turning him into IRON man.

 

[joeshmo]

Smoot & Lucas please at least to try and compete with Toler in lieu of just annointing the guy a starter opposite DRC.

That may be even more scary. Wiz talks about competition and right now we don't know what Toler will do without any competition to push him.

 

[Cardiac]

That may be even more scary. Wiz talks about competition and right now we don't know what Toler will do without any competition to push him.

Which teams drafted a bunch of CB's and will need to release one.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think within the next week to 10 days a legit nickel will be brought in. We can't possibly think Whiz is going to go into the season with Adams as his #3 CB. What's a team usually keep on their roster 9-10 DB's? The depth chart right now looks like:

CB: DRC, Toler, Adams, Colvin ?
S: Wilson, Rhodes, Ware, Johnson

If the Cards go into the season with that depth chart at CB they deserve whatever happens to them. Because that is ridiculously bad right now.

 

[ThunderCard]

I would look at Nathan Vasher or possibly Daniel Manning if he was cut ??

 

[kerouac9]

I think within the next week to 10 days a legit nickel will be brought in. We can't possibly think Whiz is going to go into the season with Adams as his #3 CB. What's a team usually keep on their roster 9-10 DB's? The depth chart right now looks like:

CB: DRC, Toler, Adams, Colvin ?
S: Wilson, Rhodes, Ware, Johnson

If the Cards go into the season with that depth chart at CB they deserve whatever happens to them. Because that is ridiculously bad right now.

Abdullah.

 

[RonF]

That may be even more scary. Wiz talks about competition and right now we don't know what Toler will do without any competition to push him.

It appears that Toler has done what he was expected of him...play well enough to take over the starting job.

A small-school fourth-rounder who drew comparisons to DRC last year, Toler was expected to push McFadden for the starting job regardless. He played surprisingly well while filling for Rodgers-Cromartie during the playoffs in January. Though growing pains are to be expected, Toler will add speed and athleticism to the Cardinals defense. Apr. 24 - 1:25 pm et
Source: Kent Somers on Twitter

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Abdullah.

how could i forget him.

 

[joeshmo]

It appears that Toler has done what he was expected of him...play well enough to take over the starting job.

That is when he had competition though. What will he do without competition?

 

[joeshmo]

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#playe...r-position/players-list-links-position:pos-cb

Biggest names:

Dre Bly
Ty Law
Ken Lucas
Samari Rolle
Fred Smoot

I just through up in my mouth a little bit. McFadden is the clear far better CB then those guys, but hey they will cost 4 mill less so its good for the team right?

I want nothing to do with Lucas and Smoot, here is what they did last year playing primarily as the nickel back.

In 471 snaps Lucas allowed a 70% comp percentage and a 120 QB rating.
In 455 snaps Smoot allowed a 63% comp percentage and a 94 QB rating.

Samari Rolle didn't even play last year, and is an injury machine who hasnt played well for some time now.

Dre Bly and Ty Law actually had decent seasons. But Ty Law was also limited to only 200 snaps, which is ideal at his age, would we be able to get away with him only playing 200 snaps?

Dre Bly played a whopping 725 snaps allowing a comp % of 58 and QB rating of 59. But at his age when does diminishing returns start to take effect?

 

[kerouac9]

People realize that Greg Toler only participated in 120 snaps last season, right? That's almost a third of what we saw from Money Mike Adams.

I'm not sure that it's possible for the coaches to become comfortable with a player becoming a starter when they've only been on the field for 61 pass plays.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

People realize that Greg Toler only participated in 120 snaps last season, right? That's almost a third of what we saw from Money Mike Adams.

I'm not sure that it's possible for the coaches to become comfortable with a player becoming a starter when they've only been on the field for 61 pass plays.

K9 you do realize the coaches don't just use game film to see the progression of a player, right? Like the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers two years ago, they take what they are seeing in practice and the weight room, then when the player gets into a game, makes sure those same characterstics are coming out in a game situation and that the player is not being overwhelmed by the moment.

You are acting like the coaches are just elevating Toler on blind faith. YOU have only seen 120 snaps of Toler. The coaches have a MUCH better idea of what they are getting and if you have been paying attention, Wiz has been bringing up Toler and his progression all off season. Sando even made a joke about a month back that Wiz can't go ten minutes without bringing him up. I guess the cynic will say that he was just setting up the fan base to be ready when they actually cut ties with McFadden, but I like to think Wiz knows what he is doing when it comes to knowing when a player is ready. In fact he hasn't been wrong yet.

I am not saying bringing in a vet to compete is a good idea and that relying on both DRC and Toler to be healthy and effective is a big gamble. But the bottom line is your (and everyone on this boards) evaluation of "just" 120 snaps of seeing Toler doesn't really mean much. Its a small piece of a much bigger picture.

 

[kerouac9]

FYI-- Mike Lombardi is reporting that the Cards aren't alone in looking for veteran help at the corner position:

Baltimore will be looking for a corner in the coming weeks. I’m sure it will check with every team that drafted a corner to gauge who might be available. Green Bay might be joining the Ravens in that search.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-9766.html

AF--You're joking making that comparison, right? McCarthy and the Packers had three training camps, three preseasons (over 100 attempts in 2006 and 2007 combined), and three years worth of practices with Rodgers as the #2 QB before handing the reins in '08.

On the other hand, Toler spent most of 2009 as no better than the fifth cornerback on the depth chart. Behind DRC, McFadden, Mike Adams, and Ralph Brown. By the end of the season, he'd earned his way above Brown on the depth chart. So at least 75% of that illustrious tape you're suggesting made this choice easy was Toler regulating on Ornea Jones. Does that make you feel good about how he'll perform against T.J. Houshmanzadeh next year?

Of course, we shouldn't be worried. It's not like we weren't saying these same things about the post-draft release of Rod Hood. We had an experienced #2 then, and everything worked out all right. It's not like the Cards ended up the #23 passing defense in the NFL last season.

The pass rush coming from Joey Porter better be pretty fierce. 35+ sacks from Porter, Dockett, and Campbell combined.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

FYI-- Mike Lombardi is reporting that the Cards aren't alone in looking for veteran help at the corner position:



http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-9766.html

AF--You're joking making that comparison, right? McCarthy and the Packers had three training camps, three preseasons (over 100 attempts in 2006 and 2007 combined), and three years worth of practices with Rodgers as the #2 QB before handing the reins in '08.

On the other hand, Toler spent most of 2009 as no better than the fifth cornerback on the depth chart. Behind DRC, McFadden, Mike Adams, and Ralph Brown. By the end of the season, he'd earned his way above Brown on the depth chart. So at least 75% of that illustrious tape you're suggesting made this choice easy was Toler regulating on Ornea Jones. Does that make you feel good about how he'll perform against T.J. Houshmanzadeh next year?

Of course, we shouldn't be worried. It's not like we weren't saying these same things about the post-draft release of Rod Hood. We had an experienced #2 then, and everything worked out all right. It's not like the Cards ended up the #23 passing defense in the NFL last season.

The pass rush coming from Joey Porter better be pretty fierce. 35+ sacks from Porter, Dockett, and Campbell combined.

I am not comparing the two scenarios as exactly the same. My point is that watching a player develop in practice is big part of any evaluation and I belive this to be the case with Toler as well, who acquitted himself very well in a playoff game against the best passing team in the league, in addition to gaining the faith of the coaching staff during the course of the season.

Again I want another one time starter brought in to compete and for depth, but I expect Toler to start from Day one from everything I have read since mid way through last season. Like it or not, that made McFadden expendable or a 5 million dollar luxury the team couldnt afford.

If the pass rush is as good as you think it will be, I expect DRC and Toler to be the best starting corners in the division and maybe top 3 in the conference. Asking for much more then that and wanting starters 5 spots deep maybe asking too much.

But lets see how the rest of the offseason plays out before slitting our wrists. The addition of Donnie Henderson may play a big part in all of this as well.