WTF Whiz?

[nashman]

Why did we not use the same gameplan as we did against the Vikings? Seriously we needed to contain a good RB, chip/help Gandy/Bridges and give Kurt time, and show different coverages and mess with Alex Smith? Why is this coaching staff trying to do something totally different than what just worked to perfection last week? I just don't get it, it makes no sence to not go in there and play the same gameplan yet we don't. We leave our tackle playing one on one and Warner was getting rushed and hit all night long! I really question the coaching staff on this crappy ass game plan. Not that you gonna win when you fumble so much but can't help but to think if you protected Kurt he has been playing very well, when he gets hit all the time he starts forcing crap that gets picked like last night. Time to move on but how embarrassing to show up on a Monday night and play like that!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i don't agree on the chipping of the DE in this game. Justin Smith is nowhere near the pass rushing threat that Jared Allen is. Gandy should be able to handle him one on one. If he can't handle Justin Smith then he's in big trouble. I hope his horrendous play was because of injury because that was a pathetic display he put on last night.

 

[Doug]

i don't agree on the chipping of the DE in this game. Justin Smith is nowhere near the pass rushing threat that Jared Allen is. Gandy should be able to handle him one on one. If he can't handle Justin Smith then he's in big trouble. I hope his horrendous play was because of injury because that was a pathetic display he put on last night.

Justin Smith is probably one of the best players in the NFL and this year should be in the Pro Bowl.He put on almost 30 lbs of extra muscle this offseason to be a major bull rusher and he's given every team he's played hell.

You don't seem to know the difference in a giant bull and a speed rusher like jared allen who can be handled with a small chip.Justin Smith sometimes needs two people period as does sopoaga.Sheesh.

 

[Shane]

Justin Smith is probably one of the best players in the NFL and this year should be in the Pro Bowl.He put on almost 30 lbs of extra muscle this offseason to be a major bull rusher and he's given every team he's played hell.

You don't seem to know the difference in a giant bull and a speed rusher like jared allen who can be handled with a small chip.Justin Smith sometimes needs two people period as does sopoaga.Sheesh.

let's not get carried away with the Justin Smith manlove Doug. Dude is a pretty average DE. Has only 2 sacks on the season which is damned pathetic for his salary and FA hype he had. Certainly not one of the best players in the NFL not even close!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

let's not get carried away with the Justin Smith manlove Doug. Dude is a pretty average DE. Has only 2 sacks on the season which is damned pathetic for his salary and FA hype he had. Certainly not one of the best players in the NFL not even close!

you beat me to it. He's tied for 110th in the league for sacks. Just because he supposedly put on weight and plays hard doesn't mean he's any good. If Justin Smith should be in the pro bowl, i think there may be a chance i could make it. sheesh.

 

[nashman]

Your missing the point totally not saying he is a great player, just clearly Gandy was having trouble early and the SF defense always rushes our QB good. We should have went in there with the same game plan PROTECT KURT and give him time and we are a different offense! It comes down to again this coaching staff sucks at making IN GAME adjustments they just seem incapable of doing it. It was clear very early they were getting pressure big time, so why not switch to the same scemes we used with GREAT success just a week ago? Its really mind boggling how stupid this coaching staff seems at times.

 

[Doug]

Justin Smith is not a pass rusher.Isn't built like one either.Thats why he changed his total size.He lost his speed by doing it.He sure as Hell stops the run as he did on us many,many times last night.Thats what his job is.

Every DE in a 3-4 is not meant to be a pass rusher.They have others on that team that do the pass rushing.

The man did an awesome job in changing his body and his style in the offseason and I'm gonna give him credit for it as I've done it before myself and I doubt either of you two have.

By your guage on Justin Smith as a player I need not even say anymore about what else I think.Glad I got you to laugh on a day like today.Hope you have a Merry Christmas too.

Justin Smith changed the whole tone of the game from his first three plays of the game.If you missed that then you don't know football period.Which is ....we'll I won't go there.Its the holidays.Plus this is only a message board.Been there done that.

 

[azmike74]

30 pounds of muscle! I need that guy's trainer, unless it happens to be Victor Conte

 

[cardsfanmd]

Justin Smith is probably one of the best players in the NFL and this year should be in the Pro Bowl.He put on almost 30 lbs of extra muscle this offseason to be a major bull rusher and he's given every team he's played hell.

You don't seem to know the difference in a giant bull and a speed rusher like jared allen who can be handled with a small chip.Justin Smith sometimes needs two people period as does sopoaga.Sheesh.

Justin Smith is not a pass rusher.Isn't built like one either.Thats why he changed his total size.He lost his speed by doing it.He sure as Hell stops the run as he did on us many,many times last night.Thats what his job is.

Every DE in a 3-4 is not meant to be a pass rusher.They have others on that team that do the pass rushing.

The man did an awesome job in changing his body and his style in the offseason and I'm gonna give him credit for it as I've done it before myself and I doubt either of you two have.

By your guage on Justin Smith as a player I need not even say anymore about what else I think.Glad I got you to laugh on a day like today.Hope you have a Merry Christmas too.

Justin Smith changed the whole tone of the game from his first three plays of the game.If you missed that then you don't know football period.Which is ....we'll I won't go there.Its the holidays.Plus this is only a message board.Been there done that.

What is wrong with you??? Do you have any idea how annoying you are?

If you were so great (you must have been since you reference playing in every one of your posts) then why not celebrate your days on the field? The way you haunt this board and hang off these guys jocks is stalker-esque to say the least.

All of that would be tolerable if you weren't such an ass every time someone's opinion differs from yours.

ban coming in 3...2...1...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Justin Smith is not a pass rusher.Isn't built like one either.Thats why he changed his total size.He lost his speed by doing it.He sure as Hell stops the run as he did on us many,many times last night.Thats what his job is.

Every DE in a 3-4 is not meant to be a pass rusher.They have others on that team that do the pass rushing.

The man did an awesome job in changing his body and his style in the offseason and I'm gonna give him credit for it as I've done it before myself and I doubt either of you two have.

By your guage on Justin Smith as a player I need not even say anymore about what else I think.Glad I got you to laugh on a day like today.Hope you have a Merry Christmas too.

Justin Smith changed the whole tone of the game from his first three plays of the game.If you missed that then you don't know football period.Which is ....we'll I won't go there.Its the holidays.Plus this is only a message board.Been there done that.

i seem to remember Beanie running many of his big plays to left where Smith plays.Btw, Beanie averaged 5.7 ypc. I wouldn't really call that stopping the run. Also, unless Justin Smith changed his body again, during the game, i'm pretty sure on the 3rd play it was Dre Bly making a helluva play to break up a long pass to Breaston. I have the game recorded so i'll double check and make sure Justin Smith didn't line up as the nickle on that play . But thanks for imparting all your football knowledge on me. I need all the help i can get. In fact, i'll bet if you polled every LT in the league, it wouldn't even be close. They'd have Justin Smith way ahead of Jared Allen. I mean he did have 2 tackles last night. I'm such a doofus .

 

[187]

you beat me to it. He's tied for 110th in the league for sacks. Just because he supposedly put on weight and plays hard doesn't mean he's any good. If Justin Smith should be in the pro bowl, i think there may be a chance i could make it. sheesh.

If only sacks told the entire story. He is #2 in the league in QB pressures at any position and has 11 than the 2nd best 3-4 DE who just so happens to be Calais Campbell. He might not finish the play, but QB's are sure as hell aware of his presence.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posi...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
(click on the 3-4 DE tab, this website changes the link somehow so none of the stats show up initially)

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If only sacks told the entire story. He is #2 in the league in QB pressures at any position and has 11 than the 2nd best 3-4 DE who just so happens to be Calais Campbell. He might not finish the play, but QB's are sure as hell aware of his presence.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posi...=r&runpasamp;teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
(click on the 3-4 DE tab, this website changes the link somehow so none of the stats show up initially)

sacks do tell alot more than pressures. There's 11 guys with more than 9 actual SACKS. I don't think too many of those sacks are going to be completed passes but alot of pressures are still positive plays for the offense. I was more reacting to Justin Smith supposedly being in the pro bowl and all that. He's an average DE and that's what he's been his whole career. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Shane]

He's an average DE and that's what he's been his whole career. There's nothing wrong with that.

Yup. He is just an OK player. Not bad but certainly not great. But to say he is one of the best players in the NFL is quite funny!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

What is wrong with you??? Do you have any idea how annoying you are?

If you were so great (you must have been since you reference playing in every one of your posts) then why not celebrate your days on the field? The way you haunt this board and hang off these guys jocks is stalker-esque to say the least.

All of that would be tolerable if you weren't such an ass every time someone's opinion differs from yours.

ban coming in 3...2...1...

Yup! this preacher is starting to get on my nerves too.

 

[Mitch]

Just a hunch, but I agree with the premise of this post, for a few times this year the Cardinals did not repeat great game plans back to back...but the hunch is they feel the other team is scouring the tape of the last game and has prepared for those schemes and thus the Cardinals are trying to outfox them by throwing different schemes and wrinkles at them.

It will be interesting to see what happens if and when the Cardinals do scheme to their strengths in consecutive weeks. I think they will see what so many coaches have learned...do what you do best. Take care of yourself.

 

[nashman]

I agree Mitch they need to quite trying to outfox anyone, do you what did the the Vikes and make the other team try and stop this offense! We did not do that we left Gandy on an island and he got abused as did Kurt. If we protect Warner we have seen in his previous 4 games of 120+ rating that he will get the job done! It just doesn't make sense to try and reinvent the wheel when the one you used last week was perfect!

 

[Mitch]

I agree Mitch they need to quite trying to outfox anyone, do you what did the the Vikes and make the other team try and stop this offense! We did not do that we left Gandy on an island and he got abused as did Kurt. If we protect Warner we have seen in his previous 4 games of 120+ rating that he will get the job done! It just doesn't make sense to try and reinvent the wheel when the one you used last week was perfect!

Ditto, Nashman. It's a pretty simple formula: protect Warner, give him time and let him find the open man.

 

[az1965]

i don't agree on the chipping of the DE in this game. Justin Smith is nowhere near the pass rushing threat that Jared Allen is. Gandy should be able to handle him one on one. If he can't handle Justin Smith then he's in big trouble. I hope his horrendous play was because of injury because that was a pathetic display he put on last night.

He may not be in the same category as Allen but he is able to manhandle Gandy. He did it in the first game as well when Gandy was fully healthy. Sometimes we have to swallow our pride and provide help.

 

[gohard83]

let's not get carried away with the Justin Smith manlove Doug. Dude is a pretty average DE. Has only 2 sacks on the season which is damned pathetic for his salary and FA hype he had. Certainly not one of the best players in the NFL not even close!

Before the Arizona game, Justin Smith has 38 QB pressures and 26 stops. The only guy with more QB pressures is Freeney with 39. This was before the Arizona, so I am sure Smith is leading at this point. If you don't think Justin Smith is one of the best DEs in football then you haven't got a clue about football. He can stop the run and bring the pressure on every play. Keep in mind that he's in there about 95% of the snaps too, so you can kinda of guess the kind of motor that he has.

 

[Shane]

Before the Arizona game, Justin Smith has 38 QB pressures and 26 stops. The only guy with more QB pressures is Freeney with 39. This was before the Arizona, so I am sure Smith is leading at this point. If you don't think Justin Smith is one of the best DEs in football then you haven't got a clue about football. He can stop the run and bring the pressure on every play. Keep in mind that he's in there about 95% of the snaps too, so you can kinda of guess the kind of motor that he has.

Dont care. Pressures are a subjective stat. The bottom line is can you seal the deal? 2 sacks says he cant. It also makes him far from elite.

 

[gohard83]

Dont care. Pressures are a subjective stat. The bottom line is can you seal the deal? 2 sacks says he cant. It also makes him far from elite.

subjective? HATER in the house! but seriously though, think what you want of Justin Smith, he's doing his job and we are more than happy to have him on the team. As long as WE know what we have, it's all good!

 

[Stout]

subjective? HATER in the house! but seriously though, think what you want of Justin Smith, he's doing his job and we are more than happy to have him on the team. As long as WE know what we have, it's all good!

He's doing his job, sure, and doing it well. A speed rusher he is not. He's a 3-4 DE that's supposed to take up blockers and he does that. The angst many here have had is that he was beating our tackles on speed rushes, and that's just unacceptable; Smith is NOT a speed rusher.

 

[Syracusecards]

Wow. Justin Smith may be having a decent year, but he has done nothing prior to that. He was absolutely worthless when he was on the Bengals. RB's would run to his side all the time and he hardly got any pressure on the QB.

Bengals fans called him Bustin Smith for a reason.

 

[gohard83]

Wow. Justin Smith may be having a decent year, but he has done nothing prior to that. He was absolutely worthless when he was on the Bengals. RB's would run to his side all the time and he hardly got any pressure on the QB.

Bengals fans called him Bustin Smith for a reason.

Justin Smith was the best player on that busted Bengals D a long time ago. He's in a new scheme now that fits him better. He's our top 3 defensive players on our team, that's all I know.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He's our top 3 defensive players on our team, that's all I know.

that's why you guys are a sub .500 team