2009 Suns Draft

[binkar]

Those arguments are subjective though IMO. Curry didn't have the option of getting down on himself and shut down offensively because he was the only real offense Davidson had. When you are playing around a group of NBA players it can be more difficult to play "free and easy" like Curry did at Davidson when it wasn't a question he was 10 times better than anyone else on his team. Leandro also has some things going for him that Curry doesn't.
A)Barbosa has a lot better size and length.
B) Barbosa has a better ability to get to the basket IMO.

That said, I feel Curry is a better shooter and has a lighting quick release that will allow him to get his shot off in situations Leandro can't.

I just feel like Curry will be one of those instant offense type players in the league and I think Barbosa fills that roll for us. I am not saying their games and styles of play are identical I just think they will both have a similar roll in the NBA.

I would just rather not use the pick on a fairly one dimensional offensive backcourt player because that hasn't gotten us anywhere lately. I would rather get some toughness and athleticism in the front court at either the 3,4, or 5. Preferably a 3 like Clark, Johnson, Young, Aminu, etc. Unless a dynamic player like DeRozan, Harden, or Jennings fell to us.

I gotta disagree. Curry pretty much had to be the whole offense at Davidson. He just switched to PG so he basically has had one season there. He has a pretty decent shot and has the quickness to get open for it.

Barbosa on the other hand has had many opportunities to show anything as a PG and has pretty much stunk each time. He is lightning fast but often under control. He basically has two shots, 1) layup or 2) jump shot when his feet are already set.When it is a set shot he is very consistent, when he has to pull up from the dribble, not so much.

I like Barbosa but I don't think that him and Curry have the same game or are the same player.

I am confused... You said you disagree with what I said and then went on to make the same points that I made. Like I said, I DON'T think their games are the same, I just think they will fill the same type of role as a backcourt scorer off the bench. Unless you think Curry's role in the NBA will be much bigger than instant offense like Barbosa or Ben Gordon, then we disagree (except both of them have better size than Curry). While I think he might have the ability to on the offensive end, I don't know if he will ever be a complete player in the NBA because his lack of size and athleticism will make it difficult for him guard other point guards. Of course the situation is the same defensively for Nash, but Curry doesn't have the natural abilities to run an offense like Steve does. I would love to be wrong because I really like Curry, I just don't think he will ever be a real PG.

 

[Brianellsworth]

Good point Binkar I like where your head is

 

[binkar]

Im so paranoid the Suns are going to take Budinger towards the end of the lottery. Hill and Barnes will be gone and the Suns will have a need at the 3 (even though I think Chase is more of a 2 in the NBA) and Sarver knows the team is going to stink so he'll likely want to sell some jerseys and tickets by taking the hometown kid.

I would be very, VERY angry. I don't think Budinger will ever be much more than the 2nd or 3rd player off the bench in the NBA.

 

[MarkWest]

I hope Harden goes in the top ten selections. I have to admit I have seen Harden play only twice, but his lack of athleticism and his inability to create his own shot really is a real turnoff for me at SG or any position. He seems to be an opportunist and plays like a point forward. In the NBA he will not always be able to just let the game come to him. I hope some team will pick him before the Suns. Just to be fair to ASU and UofA, I wouldn't touch Budinger either in the first round.

Word.

 

[MarkWest]

The ESPN lotter machine had the SUNS picking Brandon Jennings at #14.

They only have Jennings going to the Suns if Minnesota moves up enough to get Ricky Rubio first. Jennings would be a good pick-up.

I also like Blair. He's a little short but seems to make up for it with his power like Barkley did.

I got a little worried watching a suns game last week. Williams suggested that we pick up Hansburough in the first round.

I liked the way Ellington played in the tourney. Anyone have any idea where he's projected to go in the draft?

 

[slinslin]

Not even comparable?

Paul's sophomore season: 15.3 ppg, 6.6 apg, and 2.4 spg.
Lawson's junior year: 16.6 ppg 6.6 apg, and 2.1 spg.

I'm not saying Lawson will be as good as Paul, but their games, size, and build have similarities. For the record Lawson has shrunk an inch according to ESPN who now lists him at 5'11" I have not seen any source question his athleticism and label it as average as you did. NBAdraft.net writes:

Size and length are legitimate concerns, but athleticism is not.

You have a point, statistically they look similiar, only that Paul did this in his freshman season already and was clearly by far the best PG in the nation at any point of his college career.

And also Paul having much less talent around him.

I never said Lawson is a bad athlete, but he isn't even close to Chris Paul or Brandon Jennings in terms of athleticism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh_7i4gHNNA

I think Lawson will struggle finishing inside in the NBA over 7-footers.

 

[Folster]

You have a point, statistically they look similiar, only that Paul did this in his freshman season already and was clearly by far the best PG in the nation at any point of his college career.

And also Paul having much less talent around him.

I never said Lawson is a bad athlete, but he isn't even close to Chris Paul or Brandon Jennings in terms of athleticism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh_7i4gHNNA

I think Lawson will struggle finishing inside in the NBA over 7-footers.

You never said Lawson was a bad athlete, but you did say he was an average athlete. I don't see how you think Paul is the freakish athlete compared to Lawson. Yes, Paul is lightning quick, and extremely agile, but his hops are average. He's no Nate Robinson when it comes to leaping ability and rarely throws it down if ever. I guess we'll have to disagree because I think Paul and Lawson are comparable athletes in regard to size, build, and quickness. Also, Paul was not the consensus best point guard in college as Deron Williams was drafted before him.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I second the question on Ellington (and Green, for that matter)....

Would it be a good thing to snag Green and Ellington in the 2nd, or are they 1sts....?

 

[The Commish]

Please no more white centers (aka Mullins).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The ESPN lotter machine had the SUNS picking Brandon Jennings at #14.

They also had Curry going #9 to the Knicks.

I would be willing to trade up for Curry. I think he will be good.

would rather take jennings over curry. jennings is a true point whereas curry is undersized, underathletic two guard. no thank you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

the biggest difference (which imo is huge) between curry and barbs is 1.) curry doesnt get down on himself when his shots not falling and 2.) hes MUCH smarter and more AWARE of things going on around him than barbs is.

he's also MUCH slower than barbs.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

would rather take jennings over curry. jennings is a true point whereas curry is undersized, underathletic two guard. no thank you.

Jennings is sick...if you see some of his videos from Europe, you can definitely tell the kid can play. I'd love to see him in a Suns uniform.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I also like Blair. He's a little short but seems to make up for it with his power like Barkley did.

the problem is that blair doesn't have one iota of barkley's athleticism. it wasn't only barkley's power that made him special, it was his blend of power and athleticism. it's why guys like byron houston fail, they lack the athleticism and i think we'll see the same with blair.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You never said Lawson was a bad athlete, but you did say he was an average athlete. I don't see how you think Paul is the freakish athlete compared to Lawson. Yes, Paul is lightning quick, and extremely agile, but his hops are average. He's no Nate Robinson when it comes to leaping ability and rarely throws it down if ever. I guess we'll have to disagree because I think Paul and Lawson are comparable athletes in regard to size, build, and quickness. Also, Paul was not the consensus best point guard in college as Deron Williams was drafted before him.

paul can dunk, and does so. never seen lawson dunk. also think lawson will measure out in the 5'10 range. seems more jameer nelson than chris paul to me.

also, deron's being drafted ahead of paul was just mind boggling at the time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Jennings is sick...if you see some of his videos from Europe, you can definitely tell the kid can play. I'd love to see him in a Suns uniform.

athletically he's a freak. reminds me a bit of kj. with more attitude, of course.

 

[slinslin]

paul can dunk, and does so. never seen lawson dunk. also think lawson will measure out in the 5'10 range. seems more jameer nelson than chris paul to me.

also, deron's being drafted ahead of paul was just mind boggling at the time.

Now with the Jameer Nelson comparison I can live, I think that is a pretty good one.

PS: Can't someone finally merge the draft threads?...

 

[cly2tw]

Please no more white centers (aka Mullins).

second that! we have had enough of Robin's and Jake's.

 

[binkar]

second that! we have had enough of Robin's and Jake's.

Mullin's is a completely different player than Lopez or the Jake's. He isn't your prototypical stiff white center. He is extremely athletic. That said, I would prefer an athletic 2 or 3 like Johnson, Aminu, DeRozan, Young, Clark etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oto65oChjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGxXFfNQBLI&feature=related

 

[Folster]

PS: Can't someone finally merge the draft threads?...

I second that

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, I was thinking of Deon Thompson, not Ellington. Draft Express has him as a 2nd rounder nest year. I would have loved to snag him AND Danny Green this year in the 2nd for some additional, good depth....

 

[overseascardfan]

I read somewhere that teams are so concerned that this is such as weak draft class that they will be trying to trade/get rid of their 1st rounders. If we are able to get rid of salary (Shaq, Nash) maybe we can finally buy some picks. I would look for picks in the 18-24 range and still get some promising players.

 

[Folster]

I wouldn't mind picking up Dionte Christmas is the second round if he's there.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I read somewhere that teams are so concerned that this is such as weak draft class that they will be trying to trade/get rid of their 1st rounders. If we are able to get rid of salary (Shaq, Nash) maybe we can finally buy some picks. I would look for picks in the 18-24 range and still get some promising players.

So since the experts feel this is such a weak draft that GMs will be selling picks, we should get rid of our talent and buy up the weak draft picks for illusions of promise?

I have some prime real estate I can sell you in the Florida swamplands. No one else will buy it, I suggest you act on this offer ASAP.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wouldn't mind picking up Dionte Christmas is the second round if he's there.

I like him a lot. I wish the Suns could move up in the second round to get him. Also I think there is depth at the PG position in the draft. I think the key to this year's draft is avoiding hype and not reaching for questionable picks.

 

[binkar]

So since the experts feel this is such a weak draft that GMs will be selling picks, we should get rid of our talent and buy up the weak draft picks for illusions of promise?

I have some prime real estate I can sell you in the Florida swamplands. No one else will buy it, I suggest you act on this offer ASAP.

How much you askin for it?