OT: 'Dark days' with Cards now in past for new Jets linebacker

[cardsfanmd]

He didn't earn a chance to show his stuff.

He made the roster, so actually yeah, he did earn it.

He is going to be the poster child for biggest free agent busts, and I am prepared to put A$FN happy time fun buck on that statement.

I will match any bet you would like to make on that. I will even up the bounty and say that whoever loses has to buy the other's beer at one of these East Coast games this year.

Arizona had the No. 6 pick in 2003 and many fans wanted the team to draft Terrell Suggs, a star Arizona State defensive end. The Cardinals instead traded the pick to New Orleans for the 17th and 18th selections. They took wide receiver Bryant Johnson and then Pace, a less-heralded defensive end from Wake Forest.

Well, yeah we were P.O.'d cause it was a horrible move by our front office, and still is listed as one of the dumbest draft moves in NFL history.

I will argue all day til the cows come home that Suggs would have been a bust here. The bottom line is that both are 3-4 OLBs, and Suggs is actually the less rounded of the two. We didn't have Ray Lewis, Flynn, A.D., Boulware and BartScott for defenses to key on. Nor do we have Ed Reed and Chris McAllister to ensure that the QBs think twice before releasing the ball. I think I have a bigger problem understanding why anyone thinks Suggs would have been any good here than I do comprehending why anyone supports Neil Rackers in the 4th quarter. it is just ridiculous IMO.

Pace started every game as a rookie, but tallied only 32 tackles and a sack, hardly resembling the disruptive force the Cardinals scouted in his Demon Deacons days.

He played in 14 games the following year with no starts and had nine tackles and 4 1/2 sacks. His third season ended after five games when he cut his right forearm while falling through a window at his home during a bye weekend.

So after 3 sub-par years, and falling through a window, we as Cardinal fans were wrong to write him off as a bust ? That makes ZERO sense.

What part of HE IS A 3-4OLB are you missing??

"I don't believe in that word," Pace said. "Sometimes it just doesn't work out for people. You can't label somebody a bust. It's like any other job. Sometimes that job just isn't for you. You might need a fresh start and go somewhere where they're giving you a legitimate opportunity."

Well, Calvin Pace you are write about that. The job here was not for you.....it was for Chike Okeafor.

The guy came in and played GREAT any which way you look at it. Why are you so pissed about it?? Statistically he was in the top 5 in his position in the NFL last year!!!!!!!!! How many others on this team can you say that about????

Funny how those dark days got more than a tad brighter in a contract year. Funny how that works.

I try to stick up for you, but I am starting to wonder if you are going delirious.

This would go into the "chicken or the egg" argument category.

Did he do well because of it being a contract year or the fact that he finally had a coaching staff with a clue that knew how to use him?

People are putting way too much into this because Pace does not bad mouth the organization (although the headline implies that he did). He got paid, has a fresh start with a new team and I wish him well except when he plays the Cards, of course

 

[Skkorpion]

Sigh. Calvin Pace is gone. Surely what happens in camp with our team is of more interest?

For me, once a player leaves, he no longer is of interest to me.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He made the roster, so actually yeah, he did earn it.

If having to beat our Blackstock for a spot, and taking over for an injuried Chike Okeafor is "earning ir" by NFL standards...then fine you are right.

I bent over to pick up a penny somebody else dropped today....I earned it!

I will match any bet you would like to make on that. I will even up the bounty and say that whoever loses has to buy the other's beer at one of these East Coast games this year.

Deal. $5.00 A$FN happy time fun bucks, and a beer if I can get out to a game this year.

I will argue all day til the cows come home that Suggs would have been a bust here. The bottom line is that both are 3-4 OLBs, and Suggs is actually the less rounded of the two. We didn't have Ray Lewis, Flynn, A.D., Boulware and BartScott for defenses to key on. Nor do we have Ed Reed and Chris McAllister to ensure that the QBs think twice before releasing the ball. I think I have a bigger problem understanding why anyone thinks Suggs would have been any good here than I do comprehending why anyone supports Neil Rackers in the 4th quarter. it is just ridiculous IMO.

Without a doubt you can argue how well Suggs would have done here in the desert. What I am saying is at the time of that draft, when we passed over Suggs for Cheech and Chong I was angry as heck, and so were a lot of people.

What part of HE IS A 3-4OLB are you missing??

Not missing anything. He was drafted as a DE, and played there for his first 3 years.....and played poorly. AND fell out a window when we needed him the most. He had one good year at OLB. I doubt he will replicate it.

The guy came in and played GREAT any which way you look at it. Why are you so pissed about it?? Statistically he was in the top 5 in his position in the NFL last year!!!!!!!!! How many others on this team can you say that about????
I try to stick up for you, but I am starting to wonder if you are going delirious.

Oh for Pete's Sake. I could care less if you think I am delirious cause I can say the same right back at you, maybe not about this situation but I digress...

He had a great year last year....fine. I'm pissed cause it sounds like he is complaining, and he complained when he was here about not getting a fair shot, etc, etc.

I support the guy while he was here the best I could, but he really didn't show ANYTHING until last year, and that was by chance of injury. His "nightmare" of being a Cardinal only put 20 mil in his pocket. He should shut it and thank the Cardinals for putting him in that spot.

Just a whiner as far as I am concerned and I hope the NY media eats him alive.

 

[cardsfanmd]

If having to beat our Blackstock for a spot, and taking over for an injuried Chike Okeafor is "earning ir" by NFL standards...then fine you are right.

I bent over to pick up a penny somebody else dropped today....I earned it!




Deal. $5.00 A$FN happy time fun bucks, and a beer if I can get out to a game this year.



Without a doubt you can argue how well Suggs would have done here in the desert. What I am saying is at the time of that draft, when we passed over Suggs for Cheech and Chong I was angry as heck, and so were a lot of people.




Not missing anything. He was drafted as a DE, and played there for his first 3 years.....and played poorly. AND fell out a window when we needed him the most. He had one good year at OLB. I doubt he will replicate it.




Oh for Pete's Sake. I could care less if you think I am delirious cause I can say the same right back at you, maybe not about this situation but I digress...

He had a great year last year....fine. I'm pissed cause it sounds like he is complaining, and he complained when he was here about not getting a fair shot, etc, etc.

I support the guy while he was here the best I could, but he really didn't show ANYTHING until last year, and that was by chance of injury. His "nightmare" of being a Cardinal only put 20 mil in his pocket. He should shut it and thank the Cardinals for putting him in that spot.

Just a whiner as far as I am concerned and I hope the NY media eats him alive.

I wasn't calling you anything, my fault I quoted two people there. If you go back and look I was actually harrassing Mitch with those words.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I wasn't calling you anything, my fault I quoted two people there. If you go back and look I was actually harrassing Mitch with those words.

No matter. I didn't take it as anything but a good ribbing.......plus at times I can seem delirious so none taken.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

BOOOOOOOOOO Calvin Pace!!!

CFMD - I'm with you for the mostpart but wouldn't you rather have a healthy Chike for 1/4 the money. He made the most of his opportunity and good for him.

But I'm certainly not upset to see him go. Now if Eric Green blows up this year and leaves im going to be pissed.

 

[cardsfanmd]

BOOOOOOOOOO Calvin Pace!!!

CFMD - I'm with you for the mostpart but wouldn't you rather have a healthy Chike for 1/4 the money. He made the most of his opportunity and good for him.

But I'm certainly not upset to see him go. Now if Eric Green blows up this year and leaves im going to be pissed.

Absolutely I would. I just get annoyed when people act like Pace was a bum last year. Drafting him was yet another pathetic job by the front office in evaluating talent. I thought the team was smart when we passed on Suggs because he was obviously a 3-4 guy. Then RG went a drafted a less talented 3-4 guy and just blew my mind. I am not a CP lover by any means, I just think that people should give credit (blame) where credit (blame) is due.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Absolutely I would. I just get annoyed when people act like Pace was a bum last year. Drafting him was yet another pathetic job by the front office in evaluating talent. I thought the team was smart when we passed on Suggs because he was obviously a 3-4 guy. Then RG went a drafted a less talented 3-4 guy and just blew my mind. I am not a CP lover by any means, I just think that people should give credit (blame) where credit (blame) is due.

I'll give the man his due kudos for last year. And that is it.

I just don't think he will replicate it. Thus our wager of a beer and 5 A$FN happy fun time bucks.

I am prepared. I had one crow for breakfast on Alan Branch......I have others if needed.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I'll give the man his due kudos for last year. And that is it.

I just don't think he will replicate it. Thus our wager of a beer and 5 A$FN happy fun time bucks.

I am prepared. I had one crow for breakfast on Alan Branch......I have others if needed.

Please send one my way.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Absolutely I would. I just get annoyed when people act like Pace was a bum last year. Drafting him was yet another pathetic job by the front office in evaluating talent. I thought the team was smart when we passed on Suggs because he was obviously a 3-4 guy. Then RG went a drafted a less talented 3-4 guy and just blew my mind. I am not a CP lover by any means, I just think that people should give credit (blame) where credit (blame) is due.

To be fair, the guy played DE in a 3-2-5 defense in college. No one could have predicted that he'd be more effective standing up than he would in a three-point stance.

Credit Frank Bush and Green's staff (they are due very little credit overall) for making some lemonade out of the lemon that Calvin Pace was for three years here.