Wk 13-Arizona Cardinals @ Chicago Bears Pre Game Thread 11/29/21-12/4/21

[Krangodnzr]

The stats are the stats. I just think an incorrect conclusion to make is that all of those games were lost by Stafford alone. Look up each game, and break it down, that will probably be far from the actual truth.

But, that burden is Stafford's and Rams to bear. And I am glad they have it.

The answer has always been in the middle:

Stafford is an extremely talented, yet streaky player. The difference in him and the Rodgers class of QBs is that those guys aren't as streaky.

 

[Ronin]

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[daves]

Hmm, where have I seen that before? I've been beating that drum for a while.

OBJ to Rams: Report.

Yeah sorry bud but you’re out of your mind 5 to 7 plays max I bet. He didnt scare me at 100% of plays. Worrying about Cam is silly. Only former NFL mvp on the field, Cam is a bad az, wpunded Superman, yea your right im silly out of my mind, may ask golden not yo take out walker - so we don’t...

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Stafford is also 8-16 in prime time games, including 2-2 this season.

...dave

 

[wit3card]

We have to be prepared, play sound football on all 3 phases and with that we can win with Kyler and Colt against this years Bears.

We need to stay healthy and get healthy, the next 3 games decide if we are playoff bound, the next 5-6 if we have #1 seed and a bye.

We will see how we manage all of this. 1 Game at the time.

 

[Goodyear Card]

Cardinals open week favored over Bears by more than a touchdown

The Arizona Cardinals open the week against the Chicago Bears favored by more than a touchdown in their Week 13 road matchup.

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[BritCard]

The stats are the stats. I just think an incorrect conclusion to make is that all of those games were lost by Stafford alone. Look up each game, and break it down, that will probably be far from the actual truth.

But, that burden is Stafford's and Rams to bear. And I am glad they have it.

It's probably not that uncommon either

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There are only 6 active QB's with winning records againt teams over .500.

Ben Roethlisberger
Jimmy Garoppolo
Lamar Jackson
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady

 

[daves]

It's probably not that uncommon either

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There are only 6 active QB's with winning records againt teams over .500.

Ben Roethlisberger
Jimmy Garoppolo
Lamar Jackson
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Tom Brady

I don't have a table for all QBs vs. teams 5 games over .500, but this table that I linked last week shows records vs. all winning teams (compiled before this season):

Player          Total   Wins    Losses  Ties    %

Lamar Jackson    16     10       6      0       .625 
Patrick Mahomes  16     10       6      0       .625 
Tom Brady       121     74      47      0       .611 
Jimmy Garoppolo  15      9       6      0       .600 
Russell Wilson   59     32      27      0       .542 
Marcus Mariota   25     12      13      0       .480 
Aaron Rodgers    80     36      43      1       .456 
Jared Goff       31     14      17      0       .451 
Josh Allen       17      7      10      0       .411 
Dak Prescott     33     13      20      0       .393 
Matt Ryan        86     31      55      0       .360 
Mitch Trubisky   23      8      15      0       .347 
Kyler Murray     14      3      11      0       .333 
Carson Wentz     31     10      21      0       .322 
Baker Mayfield   20      6      14      0       .300 
Deshaun Watson   26      7      19      0       .269 
Drew Lock         8      2       6      0       .250 
Derek Carr       59     14      45      0       .237 
Sam Darnold      17      4      13      0       .235 
Ted Bridgewater  18      4      14      0       .222 
Kirk Cousins     42      7      35      0       .173 
Justin Herbert    6      1       5      0       .166 
Matt Stafford    75      8      67      0       .106 
Daniel Jones      9      0       9      0       .000

It's seems clear that while many other factors are at play, Stafford contributes a great deal to this level of suck.

...dave

 

[Russ Smith]

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I assume that's all the low snaps?

 

[BritCard]

Kyler in a league of his own

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[mncardfan1]

Kyler in a league of his own

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I'll have to take your word for it, I can't read it with these old eyes.

 

[mncardfan1]

I heard that it was chanted at his sons high school football game

People can be so cruel, that just isn't cool at all.

 

[mncardfan1]

Sean Harlow not been bad either

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This is good news (obviously), mainly because this is Pugh's last year IMO.

 

[Ronin]

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[JosiahLee]

We have to be prepared, play sound football on all 3 phases and with that we can win with Kyler and Colt against this years Bears.

We need to stay healthy and get healthy, the next 3 games decide if we are playoff bound, the next 5-6 if we have #1 seed and a bye.

We will see how we manage all of this. 1 Game at the time.

Yeah I feel like if the Cards can go 3-0 in upcoming games and get to 12-2 to have a great shot at the #1 seed.

 

[kerouac9]

Kyler in a league of his own

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LOL. Not even a real metric.

PFF Grading: The most effective quarterback evaluation method out there | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Sam Monson & Steve Palazzolo break down everything that goes into PFF quarterback grading, and why it stand out as a better representation of quarterback play than a standard box score.

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Each throw that is graded at the top end of the scale (+1.0s, +1.5s, and +2.0s) has been classified as a big-time throw. Conversely, the bottom end of the scale is reserved for turnover-worthy throws (-1.0s, -1.5s, and -2.0s). Here’s what they mean.

I'd be fascinated to know what the sample sizes we're dealing with are.

 

[JosiahLee]

Does anyone else feel like it’s been an eternity since we last played?

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't have a table for all QBs vs. teams 5 games over .500, but this table that I linked last week shows records vs. all winning teams (compiled before this season):

Player          Total   Wins    Losses  Ties    %

Lamar Jackson    16     10       6      0       .625
Patrick Mahomes  16     10       6      0       .625
Tom Brady       121     74      47      0       .611
Jimmy Garoppolo  15      9       6      0       .600
Russell Wilson   59     32      27      0       .542
Marcus Mariota   25     12      13      0       .480
Aaron Rodgers    80     36      43      1       .456
Jared Goff       31     14      17      0       .451
Josh Allen       17      7      10      0       .411
Dak Prescott     33     13      20      0       .393
Matt Ryan        86     31      55      0       .360
Mitch Trubisky   23      8      15      0       .347
Kyler Murray     14      3      11      0       .333
Carson Wentz     31     10      21      0       .322
Baker Mayfield   20      6      14      0       .300
Deshaun Watson   26      7      19      0       .269
Drew Lock         8      2       6      0       .250
Derek Carr       59     14      45      0       .237
Sam Darnold      17      4      13      0       .235
Ted Bridgewater  18      4      14      0       .222
Kirk Cousins     42      7      35      0       .173
Justin Herbert    6      1       5      0       .166
Matt Stafford    75      8      67      0       .106
Daniel Jones      9      0       9      0       .000

It's seems clear that while many other factors are at play, Stafford contributes a great deal to this level of suck.

...dave

But it doesn't show his performance, the defense, wrs, etc etc etc

Everyone wants stats with which you can make a simple black and white judgments. But as I have learned, stats never really work like that.

Again, that said, I am happy people are hanging this stat around Stafford and the Rams necks.

 

[Krusher kardinals]

GB have the easiest remaining SOS. I'd say Philly is easier personally but either way it's not tough. Only thing this doesn't account for are division games which go beyond W-L records.

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It looks like gb has the easiest..but this year…who the heck knows!

 

[SoonerLou]

Kyler in a league of his own

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Think this is why they didnt want to rush him. Healthy Kyler probably makes them the favorite for the Super Bowl.

Hope Hopkins is healthy enough to finish out the season as well.

 

[SoonerLou]

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Said it before but its Kyler's poor rushing that has brought down his PFF and QBR grades.

 

[kerouac9]

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Said it before but its Kyler's poor rushing that has brought down his PFF and QBR grades.

Hard to give the MVP to a guy who isn’t going to pass for 4000 yards.

 

[SECTION 11]

Not sure who else deserves it more.

 

[SoonerLou]

Hard to give the MVP to a guy who isn’t going to pass for 4000 yards.

I think missing the Seahawks game cost him any chance at winning MVP.

Just was posting for his overall play.

 

[SoonerLou]

Not sure who else deserves it more.

I think Brady is going to get it just off sheer numbers. As long as he doesnt lose more than 2 games.

There seems to be a real push for Josh Allen, but he's not been better than Herbert this year to me.

 

[kerouac9]

Not sure who else deserves it more.

Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady have legitimate cases to make. Dak Prescott will be in the conversation also with whichever QB leads the team who wins the AFC West.