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As much as I loved the win at the time, I’m really hating that victory over the Raiders.
 

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$22m (dead money), and we gain $8m (his salary) under the Cap.

And if, like Watts, they can split the 'dead' money over two business years, they could add another $11m to the available Cap in 2023.
You're right. I was thinking of his total cap charge, when I said 30M
 

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Can't they only do the split post June 1?

Yes. But I'm not sure you can if they trade DHop. They split JJ's but this is a retirement.

If they can, then the $11m added post-June 1st would pay for the draft class that I read somewhere will come in at about $7m and leave Cap space to cover the P.S. etc.
 
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Might not be bad if we can get multiple picks and then proceed to upgrade the OL/DL with the added picks, though I would not want to draft him if he was our sole pick in the first
Why he will be the rookie of the year on offense. Then no one will care what pick he was drafted.
 

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I would take Emmanuel Forbes in second round if he is on the board. Ball hawk in every sense of the word.

I figure either Myles Murphy or Brian Barese is the 1st rounder depending on if we pick #5 or later in a trade down.
 

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Different Sports Sites´ Round 2 Drafts - Top Players Available when Cards pick:

Walter Football
= Cards pick: Cam Mitchell, CB, Northwestern
Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame
Zion Nelson, OT, Miami
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, DE/OLB, Kansas State
Henry To'oTo'o, LB, Alabama
Steve Avila, C/G, TCU
Will McDonald, DE, Iowa State
Mike Morris, DE, Michigan

DEC ´22 Draft Wire = Cards pick: Army EDGE Andre Carter II
North Carolina WR Josh Downs
Kentucky QB Will Levis
Iowa DL Lukas Van Ness
Texas A&M CB Jaylon Jones
Notre Dame EDGE Isaiah Foskey
Oklahoma OT Anton Harrison
Oregon LB Noah Sewell
USC OL Andrew Voorhees

JAN ´23 Draft Wire = Cards pick: Tennessee OT Darnell Wright
Utah CB Clark Phillips III
Maryland OT Jaelyn Duncan
LSU EDGE BJ Ojulari
Oregon LB Noah Sewell
North Carolina WR Josh Downs
Mississippi State CB Emmanuel Forbes
Georgia TE Darnell Washington
Army EDGE Andre Carter II
Tennessee QB Hendon Hooker
USC DL Tuli Tuipulotu
Ohio State OT Dawand Jones

Tankathon = Cards pick: Nolan Smith EDGE | Georgia
Noah Sewell LB | Oregon
Jalin Hyatt WR | Tennessee
Emmanuel Forbes CB | Mississippi State
Gervon Dexter DL | Florida
Drew Sanders LB | Arkansas
Josh Downs WR | North Carolina
Andre Carter II EDGE | Army
Rashee Rice WR | SMU
Jaelyn Duncan OT | Maryland
Darnell Washington TE | Georgia
John Michael Schmitz IOL | Minnesota

Yahoo = Cards pick: Texas A&M CB Jaylon Jones
Mississipps LSU EDGE BJ Ojulari
SMU WR Rashee Rice
Maryland OT Jaelyn Duncan
Kansas State EDGE Felix Anudike-Uzomah
Michigan DL Mazi Smith
Texas A&M S Antonio Johnson
Florida DL Gervon Dexter
Notre Dame S Brandon Joseph
Georgia EDGE Nolan Smith
USC OL Andrew Voorhees

DRAFTNETWORK = Cards pick: Isaiah Foskey EDGE, Notre Dame
Drew Sanders LB, Arkansas
Dawand Jones OT, Ohio State
Josh Downs WR, North Carolina
O’Cyrus Torrence IOL, Florida
Lukas Van Ness EDGE, Iowa
DJ Turner CB, Michigan
Cody Mauch IOL, North Dakota State
Siaki Ika NT, Baylor
Trenton Simpson LB, Clemson
Tuli Tuipulotu IDL, USC
Tucker Kraft TE, South Dakota State
Nolan Smith EDGE, Georgia
Andrew Vorhees IOL, USC
 
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Different Sports Sites´ Round 2 Drafts - Top Players Available when Cards pick:

Walter Football
= Cards pick: Cam Mitchell, CB, Northwestern
Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame
Zion Nelson, OT, Miami
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, DE/OLB, Kansas State
Henry To'oTo'o, LB, Alabama
Steve Avila, C/G, TCU
Will McDonald, DE, Iowa State
Mike Morris, DE, Michigan

DEC ´22 Draft Wire = Cards pick: Army EDGE Andre Carter II
North Carolina WR Josh Downs
Kentucky QB Will Levis
Iowa DL Lukas Van Ness
Texas A&M CB Jaylon Jones
Notre Dame EDGE Isaiah Foskey
Oklahoma OT Anton Harrison
Oregon LB Noah Sewell
USC OL Andrew Voorhees

JAN ´23 Draft Wire = Cards pick: Tennessee OT Darnell Wright
Utah CB Clark Phillips III
Maryland OT Jaelyn Duncan
LSU EDGE BJ Ojulari
Oregon LB Noah Sewell
North Carolina WR Josh Downs
Mississippi State CB Emmanuel Forbes
Georgia TE Darnell Washington
Army EDGE Andre Carter II
Tennessee QB Hendon Hooker
USC DL Tuli Tuipulotu
Ohio State OT Dawand Jones

Tankathon = Cards pick: Nolan Smith EDGE | Georgia
Noah Sewell LB | Oregon
Jalin Hyatt WR | Tennessee
Emmanuel Forbes CB | Mississippi State
Gervon Dexter DL | Florida
Drew Sanders LB | Arkansas
Josh Downs WR | North Carolina
Andre Carter II EDGE | Army
Rashee Rice WR | SMU
Jaelyn Duncan OT | Maryland
Darnell Washington TE | Georgia
John Michael Schmitz IOL | Minnesota

Yahoo = Cards pick: Texas A&M CB Jaylon Jones
Mississipps LSU EDGE BJ Ojulari
SMU WR Rashee Rice
Maryland OT Jaelyn Duncan
Kansas State EDGE Felix Anudike-Uzomah
Michigan DL Mazi Smith
Texas A&M S Antonio Johnson
Florida DL Gervon Dexter
Notre Dame S Brandon Joseph
Georgia EDGE Nolan Smith
USC OL Andrew Voorhees

DRAFTNETWORK = Cards pick: Isaiah Foskey EDGE, Notre Dame
Drew Sanders LB, Arkansas
Dawand Jones OT, Ohio State
Josh Downs WR, North Carolina
O’Cyrus Torrence IOL, Florida
Lukas Van Ness EDGE, Iowa
DJ Turner CB, Michigan
Cody Mauch IOL, North Dakota State
Siaki Ika NT, Baylor
Trenton Simpson LB, Clemson
Tuli Tuipulotu IDL, USC
Tucker Kraft TE, South Dakota State
Nolan Smith EDGE, Georgia
Andrew Vorhees IOL, USC

I'm not enamored with Edge outside round 1.

We should take a stud high or role with Sanders and Thomas and pick up a depth guy later to develop. I'm not sure any edge we take in round 2 are better than year 2 Sanders and Thomas.
 

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I'd like to draft DL/Edge and OL with the first two picks, but you never know who is going to be there.

I'm not enamored with the OL class overall at the top of the first. I'd consider Skoronski, but on a trade down and I'd want to add significant picks if the Cardinals went that route.

That is my hope. Trade down with the Raiders and take Skoronski to start at guard and eventually move to tackle. Bank a bunch of picks.
 

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That is my hope. Trade down with the Raiders and take Skoronski to start at guard and eventually move to tackle. Bank a bunch of picks.
Odds are good skoronski stays at OG....dude has pygmy arms...

Would however like to come out of this draft with Steve Avila... thats one big'ol boy, kyler gotta feel safe behind that behemoth
 

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That is my hope. Trade down with the Raiders and take Skoronski to start at guard and eventually move to tackle. Bank a bunch of picks.
Passing on a elite Pass-rushing prospect only to draft a Guard after going ILB, ILB, & TE with our first picks in previous years will definitely make me sure Keim is still making the picks.
 

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Passing on a elite Pass-rushing prospect only to draft a Guard after going ILB, ILB, & TE with our first picks in previous years will definitely make me sure Keim is still making the picks.

I value both side of the trenches equally. If I can get a future 1st and a current 3rd to protect Kyler I am good with it.
 

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That is my hope. Trade down with the Raiders and take Skoronski to start at guard and eventually move to tackle. Bank a bunch of picks.
It's a tough move to make with two potential elite defenders on the board.

I've been watching the draft for years and the Cardinals haven't had too many great shots at getting a player on defense the caliber of Anderson/Carter.

Bosa was the last time..and in some ways I actually like Anderson more. Carter just absolutely abused single blocks and busts doubles with ease.

If the Cardinals trade down, it better be for a butt load of picks if either player is on the board.
 

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It's a tough move to make with two potential elite defenders on the board.

I've been watching the draft for years and the Cardinals haven't had too many great shots at getting a player on defense the caliber of Anderson/Carter.

Bosa was the last time..and in some ways I actually like Anderson more. Carter just absolutely abused single blocks and busts doubles with ease.

If the Cardinals trade down, it better be for a butt load of picks if either player is on the board.
I'm with you, but people are saying this draft is unusually deep. Trade down is a gamble with a big payoff potential.
 

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This team is DEVOID of difference makers on defense. Difference Makers at DE/DT are what great defenses are built around.

For the love of God… we sucked for a reason last season. Do not Graves this up and trade away the sure thing for a bag of magic beans.
 

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Trading down makes sense if you believe rebuilding is a 1 year process.


It’s not.
 

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An undersized Andy Isabella like WR? Oh wait, never mind, SK is gone! :stick:

I feel like every other GM in the league knew Keim enough that they all colluded to hype garbage players to him in their country club conversations knowing that he would take players off the board way ahead of range essentially moving every other team's pick up one slot in every round for free.
 

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I'm with you, but people are saying this draft is unusually deep. Trade down is a gamble with a big payoff potential.
Sure it's deep, but Anderson is just a frocking monster. You don't pass on guys that you think are going to be perennial All Pros at a premium position just so you can draft a guard, a run stuffing DT, and a third tier edge.

Trading down is the easy way out.
 
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