Why does everyone say that the Rivers/Manning swap throws a wrench in negotiations?

[Shane]

They were each drafted at a certain position.

They should be paid commensurate to their draft position regardless of the trade.

So wheres the problem?

 

[maddogkf]

that's exactly my reasoning

Shane, let's get certified and start signing up the players

 

[kerouac9]

Because San Diego has the larger rookie pool. I believe that because the Giants and Chagers only traded players not picks, they (EDIT: the NFL) rewarded San Diego with a rookie pool equivalent to the #1 overall pick that they exercised. The Giants, even though they presently possess the player that was selected #1 overall, were given a rookie pool equivalent to the place where they picked in the draft, which was #4.

The difference in rookie pools is significant, to the tune of over $1 million. The Giants may be forced to shoehorn #1 overall money into #4 overall cap space.

On the other hand, Rivers may want #1 overall money, since SD has the money to afford such a payout under the rookie pool.

 

[Skkorpion]

They were each drafted at a certain position.

They should be paid commensurate to their draft position regardless of the trade.

So wheres the problem?

Duh. The agents both claiming their guy was the real #1.

 

[Shane]

Duh. The agents both claiming their guy was the real #1.

Duh! How could you possibly claim that? When Rivers was drafted at what #5 or something like that?

Then was traded to San Diego with the Giants giving up more. It wasnt a straight swap.

An agent even trying that is absolutely ludicrous!

 

[Shane]

Because San Diego has the larger rookie pool. I believe that because the Giants and Chagers only traded players not picks, they (EDIT: the NFL) rewarded San Diego with a rookie pool equivalent to the #1 overall pick that they exercised. The Giants, even though they presently possess the player that was selected #1 overall, were given a rookie pool equivalent to the place where they picked in the draft, which was #4.

The difference in rookie pools is significant, to the tune of over $1 million. The Giants may be forced to shoehorn #1 overall money into #4 overall cap space.

On the other hand, Rivers may want #1 overall money, since SD has the money to afford such a payout under the rookie pool.

Thats how it should be. its a team problem and one they need to work out. Shouldnt affect the other signings. Even if it means the Giants cant sign all of there picks then so be it!

 

[AZCB34]

Just an update to show how this may have a serious effect on Fitz getting signed. Ernie Acorsi (NYG GM) has stated that Eli should be paid as the #1 overall even though the Giants rookie pool is set for the #4 overall. Rivers' agent is saying that he should be paid as #1 overall since, in essense the SD trade made Rivers #1 overall and the Chargers have the #1 overall rookie pool.

Assuming Eli gets his #1 overall money like Acorsi says he deserves, wouldn't Fitz want more than what he and his agent believe to be the #4 (they believe Eli is #4 overall for slotting purposes) overall guy gets?

 

[Shane]

Just an update to show how this may have a serious effect on Fitz getting signed. Ernie Acorsi (NYG GM) has stated that Eli should be paid as the #1 overall even though the Giants rookie pool is set for the #4 overall. Rivers' agent is saying that he should be paid as #1 overall since, in essense the SD trade made Rivers #1 overall and the Chargers have the #1 overall rookie pool.

Assuming Eli gets his #1 overall money like Acorsi says he deserves, wouldn't Fitz want more than what he and his agent believe to be the #4 (they believe Eli is #4 overall for slotting purposes) overall guy gets?

Sorry Cubbie I just dont buy it. They were drafted in a particular spot and should be paid according to that.

Just because Rivers agent is playing games and trying to say that his player is the true #1 even though he isnt. Is his problem.

If I were the team I would be playing hard ball. San Diego should have to pay him #4 money even though they have the highest rookie pool. No more no less.

 

[AZCB34]

Sorry Cubbie I just dont buy it. They were drafted in a particular spot and should be paid according to that.

Just because Rivers agent is playing games and trying to say that his player is the true #1 even though he isnt. Is his problem.

If I were the team I would be playing hard ball. San Diego should have to pay him #4 money even though they have the highest rookie pool. No more no less.

I don't disagree with you but unfortunately common sense doesn't always rule the day when it comes to agents, players and organizations so what makes sense to you and I doesn;t make sense in "that" world.

It may have no bearing at all on Fitz or it may cause real turmoil for Fitz' negotiations.

Remember this though. Gallery was reportedly close to a deal and now with all this posturing swirling about, notice we have heard nothing new on that front. My guess is he is wating to see how this Eli/Rivers thing plays out.

 

[Shane]

I don't disagree with you but unfortunately common sense doesn't always rule the day when it comes to agents, players and organizations so what makes sense to you and I doesn;t make sense in "that" world.

It may have no bearing at all on Fitz or it may cause real turmoil for Fitz' negotiations.

Remember this though. Gallery was reportedly close to a deal and now with all this posturing swirling about, notice we have heard nothing new on that front. My guess is he is wating to see how this Eli/Rivers thing plays out.

The Gallery signing was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. So I dont put real stock into it.

Didnt the trade of the two players involve mor ethan just a straight swap?

 

[AZCB34]

The Gallery signing was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. So I dont put real stock into it.

Didnt the trade of the two players involve mor ethan just a straight swap?

I believe NYG gave up some picks somewhere along the line but I don't recall...will have to look that up. I do remember hearing everyone saying SD made off like bandits though.

 

[AZCB34]

Here it is:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/7280075

The Chargers get New York's third-round pick this year and the Giants' first and fifth-rounders in 2005 in addition to Rivers, whose stock soared after private workouts and interviews.

 

[Shane]

Here it is:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/7280075

The Chargers get New York's third-round pick this year and the Giants' first and fifth-rounders in 2005 in addition to Rivers, whose stock soared after private workouts and interviews.

All that does is substantiate the factthat Rivers cant be considered the #1 pick. It wasnt an even swap. The Chargers got a whole lot more than just Rivers. While the Giants had to give up a ton to get Manning.

Oh the nonsense never ends.

Thanks for the groundwork by the way.

 

[100%CardsFan]

Now correct me if I am wrong but when I heard the #1 Pick called it was Manning so HE IS THE #1 PICK!!!!! WTF!!!!! ARRGGGHHAAHH alright now calm down its just a message board Wheeww. I need that.

 

[CardShark]

Regardless of who was #1 and who was #4 it doesn't change the fact that the Cards drafted at #3. Fitzgerald will be getting #3 money so there is no impact. It just means that the Chargers and Giants have a problem. I'm perfectly alright with that.

 

[Shane]

Regardless of who was #1 and who was #4 it doesn't change the fact that the Cards drafted at #3. Fitzgerald will be getting #3 money so there is no impact. It just means that the Chargers and Giants have a problem. I'm perfectly alright with that.

There you have it. Summed it right up!

 

[AZCB34]

Regardless of who was #1 and who was #4 it doesn't change the fact that the Cards drafted at #3. Fitzgerald will be getting #3 money so there is no impact. It just means that the Chargers and Giants have a problem. I'm perfectly alright with that.

If Manning is paid as #1 overall...which he probably should (and Ernie Acorsi says he should) then would Fitz' agent not try to hardball the Cards to get a better deal under the thought that Manning is actually #4 overall AFTER the trade? If you think Eugene Parker would at least not try for awhile to get a better deal using this logic then you severely underestimate agents.

I maintain that Shane is right. Logically it is pretty clear but does the word logic ever really mesh well with agents, players and organizations???