Washington and 2015

[GuernseyCard]

You know that it's logically impossible to disprove a negative. Can you provide evidence that he ever wore the green dot? Can you provide evidence that Daryl Washington has even been named a defensive captain?

I can say that the last few seasons Larry Foote, Karlos Dansby, and Paris Lenon wore the green dot and called the plays for the Cards' defense. Those guys cover Washington's entire career as a professional.

There is no philosophic burden of proof required. This is an issue of fact.

He either did or did not have the green dot.

(I never heard of Dwash having that responsibility)

 

[TimTheToolmanTebow]

so all the times we have seen dwash shoot his gap to stuff a RB for a loss or blow up a screen but apparently he isn't exceptional at diagnosing plays. interesting

 

[BigRedRage]

so all the times we have seen dwash shoot his gap to stuff a RB for a loss or blow up a screen but apparently he isn't exceptional at diagnosing plays. interesting

Wash is a straight up BUM

 

[RugbyMuffin]

so all the times we have seen dwash shoot his gap to stuff a RB for a loss or blow up a screen but apparently he isn't exceptional at diagnosing plays. interesting

Actually, when Washington made the top 100 a teammate asked Washington how he diagnosis a play so fast, and Washington admitted he doesn't he is just that quick.

Personally, I don't care how a player goes about it, mentally or physically, just as long as the job gets done.

 

[Hypothesis]

Whether DWASH is better than the other LBs in the league is irrelevant to me. What is relevant to me, is that we are a better defense when he is on the field.

 

[TJ]

You know that it's logically impossible to disprove a negative. .

Silly statement. If you tell me that it has never snowed in Arizona, and I find at least one occurrence of snow in Arizona, then that negative statement has been completely disproven.

At any rate--I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything. I want to see where this was brought up by a credible source. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Please provide a link that says Washington has never had the green dot.

I could care less if Washington ever has the green dot, as long as he sees the red dot on the QB and takes that guy out. One may say that all he can do is rush and spy a mobile QB... well the mobile QB seems to be 70% of what keeps the Seahawks and Niners winning, which means you keep Washington till he screws up because when he does we will not have to worry about him on another team because he already has two strikes

 

[TJ]

I could care less if Washington ever has the green dot, as long as he sees the red dot on the QB and takes that guy out. One may say that all he can do is rush and spy a mobile QB... well the mobile QB seems to be 70% of what keeps the Seahawks and Niners winning, which means you keep Washington till he screws up because when he does we will not have to worry about him on another team because he already has two strikes

I don't really care either. I'm more or less pointing out nitpicking analysis. That was about the most ridiculous post I've read in a while (and lately, there have been some really awful posts here).

The green dot is as irrelevant as the defensive captain patch argument. Washington's body of work speaks for itself. If he's clean and compliant, he'll make plays again. Simple.

 

[Darkside]

I don't care about DWash anymore. I'd prefer, frankly, if he's not on the team. He's a good player, but even before all this, there's no indication he helped the locker. It's not like he was team captain or called plays. He was just a guy with exceptional athletic ability. He can be replaced. Already was. It's not like he was the heart of our D in any way. We don't need him. And he's already shown multiple times he doesn't need us.

Let the **** go. He's no good for us.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't really care either. I'm more or less pointing out nitpicking analysis. That was about the most ridiculous post I've read in a while (and lately, there have been some really awful posts here).

The green dot is as irrelevant as the defensive captain patch argument. Washington's body of work speaks for itself. If he's clean and compliant, he'll make plays again. Simple.

Paris Lenon - had the green dot and called the plays 2010, 2011, 2012

Karlos Dansby - had the green dot and called the plays 2013

Larry Foote - has the green dot and called the plays 2014

Proof...I watch the games.

You minimize the importance of the green dot, and being team captain, but you shouldn't. Those are the players who are responsible for the team, hold others accountable, and work the hardest to continue to improve. They set the example. There is a reason that limited players like Paris Lenon can stay in the league for years while more talented guys like Vernon Gholston or Wendell Bryant don't.

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Yes, our defense is better with Daryl Washington...fact. But, our defense hasn't had Daryl Washington for 20 of the past 32 games. If he is suspended for 4 or 6 games in 2015, it will have been over 20 months since he last played in an NFL game. That is his recent body of work. It also is a bit silly to assume that Washington will come back and play at the same level after missing so much game time. The team is going to hold onto him because they would take a hit by cutting him, but it is not impossible to believe that if the Cardinals acquire better talent at ILB, he may not be able to regain a starting spot.

 

[Snakester]

I am looking forward to having D-weed back. He is a good pass rusher and the only linebacker we have that can catch Kapernick and Russel Wilson. For that reason alone I want him back.

 

[Austin Zonie]

Interesting tid bit from the AP ruling that should only help Washington's looming suspension for his assault charge:

Kessler argued Peterson should not be subject to the league's new personal conduct policy, which implemented stricter punishments for players in domestic violence cases, because that policy was not instituted until late August.

"The only people" who felt the new policy applied to Peterson, Kessler argued to Doty, "were commissioner Goodell and Mr. Henderson.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12387081/adrian-peterson-reinstated-judge-overturns-decision

 

[ARZCardinals]

It'll be 4 games BECAUSE he was under the old NFL labor contract. Peterson just won his fight to be under the old rules....as will Washington.

So long as he's been clean and done all the rehab required he'll be back after a 4 game suspension.

He's learned his lesson...the hard way

 

[Jersey Girl]

He's learned his lesson...the hard way

Let's hope so.

 

[splitsecond]

Interesting tid bit from the AP ruling that should only help Washington's looming suspension for his assault charge:

Kessler argued Peterson should not be subject to the league's new personal conduct policy, which implemented stricter punishments for players in domestic violence cases, because that policy was not instituted until late August.

"The only people" who felt the new policy applied to Peterson, Kessler argued to Doty, "were commissioner Goodell and Mr. Henderson.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12387081/adrian-peterson-reinstated-judge-overturns-decision

I just saw this and came in here to post this. If Washington clears his hurdles under the drug suspension, and the team wants him back, we will get him back. I have been saying this for a while AND anyone with basic knowledge of due process has agreed all along that the way the NFL treated Rice and Peterson was a violation of due process. You can't change the punishment after the fact and retroactively apply it to save face.

Hopefully this will add to the public hatred for Goodell enough to start affecting sponsorship dollars.

 

[Shane]

With the relatively new changes to the CBA when it comes to player behavior, I think a lot of posters are misinformed about Washington and his suspension.

The rules say 6 games, but who knows anymore, we will all know once the NFL takes cares of the situation in the new league year.

Washington CANNOT be trusted though. Football is obviously not in his top three priorities and that is a problem.

Not to mention we don't know what type of player will come back from the suspension. Josh Gordon is one of the best wide receivers I had seen, but when he got back to the league late last year, he was a shell of the player he once was.

Way too many questions surrounding D-Waste to rely on him, IMO

Not that it matter but he has posted pics of himself training hard for last 6 months or so with comments relating to getting back at it upon his return....

 

[TJ]

I just saw this and came in here to post this. If Washington clears his hurdles under the drug suspension, and the team wants him back, we will get him back. I have been saying this for a while AND anyone with basic knowledge of due process has agreed all along that the way the NFL treated Rice and Peterson was a violation of due process. You can't change the punishment after the fact and retroactively apply it to save face.

Hopefully this will add to the public hatred for Goodell enough to start affecting sponsorship dollars.

I doubt sponsorship dollars will wash up. Commercial sports for the Superbowl nearly doubled for a 30 second spot from the previous season. The NFL will never have an issue getting sponsors.

Every reversal on appeal continues to show how out of touch Goodell is with due process. He can no longer be judge, jury, and executioner. Every single one of his fines and suspensions are going to be challenged. When the weakest union in the nation keeps getting one over you, you're doing something wrong.

With regards to Washington, I'm becoming more certain that his suspension will be 2-4 games with an outside shot at being excused, not due to Washington's conduct, but due to the NFL's ineptitude.

 

[Austin Zonie]

For first-time offenders who committed domestic violence, the standard penalty under the old policy was two games.

I can't recall a case that the player had broken the substance abuse policy and the personal conduct policy. My question is this - is DW viewed as a first time offender for domestic violence and subject to the straight forward two game ban?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Not that it matter but he has posted pics of himself training hard for last 6 months or so with comments relating to getting back at it upon his return....

Good to hear, and it does matter. If he comes back with the same skill set he left, that will be huge. Now if he can only realize he has maybe 4 to 5 years left in his career, and he can stay clean for that time, and then smoke his brains out when he retires.

There is no doubting his skill, while his whole skill set may not be tops in the league, his ability to blitz up the middle, and cover in the passing game is arguably tops in the league, IMO.

Keuchley may be the best all around, but he is no where near as quick as Washington, IMO.

 

[juza76]

Good to hear, and it does matter. If he comes back with the same skill set he left, that will be huge. Now if he can only realize he has maybe 4 to 5 years left in his career, and he can stay clean for that time, and then smoke his brains out when he retires.

There is no doubting his skill, while his whole skill set may not be tops in the league, his ability to blitz up the middle, and cover in the passing game is arguably tops in the league, IMO.

Keuchley may be the best all around, but he is no where near as quick as Washington, IMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

For first-time offenders who committed domestic violence, the standard penalty under the old policy was two games.

I can't recall a case that the player had broken the substance abuse policy and the personal conduct policy. My question is this - is DW viewed as a first time offender for domestic violence and subject to the straight forward two game ban?

Given the Jusge Doty decision against retroactivity in the Peterson case, there is a very good chance that the 2 game suspension will apply to Washington.