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Certainly a better looking roster than a year ago. I sure hope they know what they're doing at C. I really liked Cole and wanted him to start... losing out to Shipley didn't make me feel optimistic.

This is a bone you won't let go of. Shipley got the nod because he is a vet who was far more adept at making line calls, especially considering Murray was a rookie QB who had enough on his plate.

Factor in the Cole got playing time at OG so that's a positive as well and was more valuable as a back up at C and OG since Shiply can't play OG.
 

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This is a bone you won't let go of. Shipley got the nod because he is a vet who was far more adept at making line calls, especially considering Murray was a rookie QB who had enough on his plate.

Factor in the Cole got playing time at OG so that's a positive as well and was more valuable as a back up at C and OG since Shiply can't play OG.
I won't let go of it because Shipley:

- Didn't know the offense any better than Cole
- The coaching staff had no loyalty to him
- Was recovering from a torn ACL
- Has always been a relatively limited guy athetically anyways

It's not like he's a superstar who came back to form, he's never been that great.
 

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I won't let go of it because Shipley:

- Didn't know the offense any better than Cole
- The coaching staff had no loyalty to him
- Was recovering from a torn ACL
- Has always been a relatively limited guy athetically anyways

It's not like he's a superstar who came back to form, he's never been that great.

Shipley's time in the NFL gave him the edge on picking up any offense quicker than Cole.

No Loyalty but once again your refusal to understand that Shipley would be better at making line calls then Cole is baffling to me.

He was recovered.

Once again, experience can make up for "limited" athletic ability.

If Cole and Shipley were a coin flip choice on who was the starter then the reasons I've listed plus the fact that Cole was better coming off the bench at 3 positions means Shipley gets the nod. Hopefully Cole's etc. playing time last year and a full working knowledge of the Offense and work with Kugler and more time in the weight room means he has surpassed Shipley which is why Cole is listed as the starter and Shipley has been re-signed.

I also have a ton more faith in Oline personnel decisions with Kugler on the staff.
 

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Shipley's time in the NFL gave him the edge on picking up any offense quicker than Cole.

No Loyalty but once again your refusal to understand that Shipley would be better at making line calls then Cole is baffling to me.

He was recovered.

Once again, experience can make up for "limited" athletic ability.

If Cole and Shipley were a coin flip choice on who was the starter then the reasons I've listed plus the fact that Cole was better coming off the bench at 3 positions means Shipley gets the nod. Hopefully Cole's etc. playing time last year and a full working knowledge of the Offense and work with Kugler and more time in the weight room means he has surpassed Shipley which is why Cole is listed as the starter and Shipley has been re-signed.

I also have a ton more faith in Oline personnel decisions with Kugler on the staff.
Considering Kingsbury showed up with a college offense in pocket, I don't really agree with you on Shipley having a clear advantage in being more prepared. He was, but that's not a good look on Cole, who had a full year of starting experience under his belt.

He was "recovered," but still, Cole should have dominated this whole thing.

I don't think they were a coin flip. Cole got buried as 2nd string really fast, and then got moved to a new position. This team has ****** a lot of guys around moving them to new spots, and now Cole hasn't had many reps at C, since he got a few spots at guard during the season.

Trust me, I don't think there's anything to do now besides let Cole/Gaillard/Garcia/maybe a pick fight it out at center. I'm not adding someone in the third round to be the unquestioned starter.

This board has a lot of faith in Kugler. I'm not as convinced he'll turn all of these guys into superstars. I think he's done a good job thus far, but he's done some bouncing around.
 

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Always the pessimist.:rolleyes:
Not pessimism, just not entering the center competition with confidence. Regardless of any draft additions or not, it's going to be a battle to watch, and a question mark we should all have.
 

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Shipley has always been a bottom 10 center in the nfl. We could sign any of the remaining FA centers and they would be an upgrade.
 

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I think Shipley is underrated on this board. He has never been the problem here. Not all pro, but a solid vet. I hope Cole is ready.

I admit I have given Shipley less than glowing reviews and he's a tad below an average center which is still serviceable. I do not think he's better than Sendlein which says something. He's smart and gritty but to say he's never been the problem is far from accurate because he lacks strength and have seen him get blown back causing our back to get hit behind the line or have to change the direction of the run or even totally push the pocket so far back there is none for the QB. Now maybe I am being unfair because he might have been trying to compensate for the guard play but I do know we can upgrade him... as far as Cole being that guy, that remains to be seen
 
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