To the Suggs doubters:

[Krangodnzr]

I want you all to put your name on this thread. Say anything you want, but I want to remember everyone who is convinced that his workout numbers matter as much as some make it out.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

check out how stoked the NFL coaches/gm's are on this workout!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-draft-mcgahee&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[40yearfan]

I agree Krang----those 24 sacks weren't by accident. Hopefully, due to poor work-outs, he'll fall to the #6 spot and the Cards will draft him. It would be a great start to a great draft.

 

[SECTION 11]

OK!

370 pound Leonard Davis: 5.26 40
264 pound Terrell Suggs: 4.85 40

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
check out how stoked the NFL coaches/gm's are on this workout!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-draft-mcgahee&prov=ap&type=lgns

Drew Rosenhaus in funny.
McGahee also invented the internet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I will put my name here first. I don't think the guy will be a bust, but I will say that his unwillingness to cooperate with police, two subpar workouts and a host of others testimonials about his party nature all raise red flags that shouldn't be completely ignored just because he had a spectacular junior season and a very good overall College career in a pass-happy offensive minded conference.

Also - if he was so dominant, how is it that his production couldn't keep ASU's defense from being a complete and utter sieve all season long?

 

[FrontRow]

I am a Suggs doubter!

Right now-April 22, 4 days before the draft-

WE SHOULD NOT DRAFT SUGGS!

McGahee is a frickin stud.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Drew Rosenhaus in funny.
McGahee also invented the internet.

true...true

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
I will put my name here first. I don't think the guy will be a bust, but I will say that his unwillingness to cooperate with police, two subpar workouts and a host of others testimonials about his party nature all raise red flags that shouldn't be completely ignored just because he had a spectacular junior season and a very good overall College career in a pass-happy offensive minded conference.

Also - if he was so dominant, how is it that his production couldn't keep ASU's defense from being a complete and utter sieve all season long?

(I was one of those testimonials that you quote, and it barely means anything to me other than he is a normal 20 year old)

And I guess you must not have watched ANY ASU football last year. It almost seemed like he was the only defender out there most of the time. He was amazing, while everyone else (except for Mason Unck) was absolutely terrible (Jason Shivers is pretty good also).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
(I was one of those testimonials that you quote, and it barely means anything to me other than he is a normal 20 year old)

And I guess you must not have watched ANY ASU football last year. It almost seemed like he was the only defender out there most of the time. He was amazing, while everyone else (except for Mason Unck) was absolutely terrible (Jason Shivers is pretty good also).

Krang - I don't want a normal 20 year old kid playing on my team -especially with the 6 th pick - you shouldn't either. A top ten pick should be fully focussed on one thing - football - yes you can party some -that's normal, but to the detriment of your own game - the BS - you know it and I know it. If you're gonna party - you better be wroking out twice as hard to keep that body up.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Why does it have to be Suggs VS Leftwich? I like Suggs and dont think by any means he will be a bust in the NFL. I saw the Holiday Bowl, watched a few ASU games -he is the real deal. The workouts dont mean squat to me....some people it does.

However, as much as I like Suggs, Leftwhich is going to be a stud NFL QB. I dont know how many people have actually seen him on a consistent basis and watched him play, but he is level headed, accurate, strong armed, a true 'lead-by-example' type of guy. He is what this franchise needs to help build for the future. I think it is much easier to get a solid DE in the draft outside of the first round then it is a QB.

I hope he is there, but I have a feeling the Cards brass is hoping he isnt. That way there choice can be any easy one!!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Krang - I don't want a normal 20 year old kid playing on my team -especially with the 6 th pick - you shouldn't either. A top ten pick should be fully focussed on one thing - football - yes you can party some -that's normal, but to the detriment of your own game - the BS - you know it and I know it. If you're gonna party - you better be wroking out twice as hard to keep that body up.

Well a normal 20 year old doesn't get 24 sacks playing against Division I competition. That isn't normal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well a normal 20 year old doesn't get 24 sacks playing against Division I competition. That isn't normal.

hey you called him normal, not me. However, him partying it up when he should be working out scares me.

 

[SECTION 11]

I don't think the workout vs game speed argument has any more substance to it than the College O Line vs NFL O Line argument.

They're both valid.


The only thing in Suggs' corner right now appears to be success vs college lines.
I'm not of the opinion that he's going to be a bust, a failure, a big tub of crap, or anything like that.
I simply think that's not a good fit for the #6 pick.

 

[red desert]

Suggs is a stud!!! I'll be stoked if they draft him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I don't think the workout vs game speed argument has any more substance to it than the College O Line vs NFL O Line argument.

They're both valid.


The only thing in Suggs' corner right now appears to be success vs college lines.
I'm not of the opinion that he's going to be a bust, a failure, a big tub of crap, or anything like that.
I simply think that's not a good fit for the #6 pick.

Apples and oranges.

Game speed can be viewed on tape (or in person), while quality of lines is very subjective. Just like someone was saying the other day that Leftwich would outrun Suggs on the field....that is pure bs.

Boller sure didn't when Suggs sacked him for a loss. And Aaron Sproules (who supposedly runs a 4.5) of K-State sure didn't outrun Suggs, when he ran to the other side of the field and tackled him for a loss.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
hey you called him normal, not me. However, him partying it up when he should be working out scares me.

What I meant by normal, is that he does many of the normal activities of a 20 year old. If he didn't, I might actually worry more!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Why does it have to be Suggs VS Leftwich? I like Suggs and dont think by any means he will be a bust in the NFL. I saw the Holiday Bowl, watched a few ASU games -he is the real deal. The workouts dont mean squat to me....some people it does.

However, as much as I like Suggs, Leftwhich is going to be a stud NFL QB. I dont know how many people have actually seen him on a consistent basis and watched him play, but he is level headed, accurate, strong armed, a true 'lead-by-example' type of guy. He is what this franchise needs to help build for the future. I think it is much easier to get a solid DE in the draft outside of the first round then it is a QB.

I hope he is there, but I have a feeling the Cards brass is hoping he isnt. That way there choice can be any easy one!!!!

Now I agree with this. I think Leftwich has the potential to be an amazing NFL Qb. If Suggs and Leftwich are available, it is an extremely tough choice, but I would probably pick Leftwich.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Just like someone was saying the other day that Leftwich would outrun Suggs on the field....that is pure bs.

I saw that post. I'm pretty sure they were kidding.



I think Suggs believed his own hype all summer and sat on his ass and got fat without working out.
I don't think he's in San Diego working out, I think he's in Wisconsin eating deep-fried, cheese covered lardsicles.
What's his motivation going to be like AFTER he signs a fat contract?

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I think Suggs believed his own hype all summer and sat on his ass and got fat without working out.
I don't think he's in San Diego working out, I think he's in Wisconsin eating deep-fried, cheese covered lardsicles.
What's his motivation going to be like AFTER he signs a fat contract?

Put Chris Kelsay's heart and work ethic in Terrell Suggs' body, then you've got yourself a #6 pick.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Put me in the "Don't draft Suggs" catagory.
I don't think he'll be a total bust, and his workout numbers don't affect me all that much.
I'm with Section 11 on this. He just isn't the best fit for the team needs now.

And neither is Leftwich.

Kennedy or Robertson. (in that order, but I don't really care, either one is fine.)

 

[green machine]

I have nothing against Suggs and I would not be pissed if we drafted him. That said, if Leftwich is available, that's the guy I want.

adam

 

[Pariah]

I don't think we should draft him if there are some other players on the board--those players I'd rather have than suggs:

1. Newman
2. Leftwich
3. Robertson
4. Trufant

If we end up with Suggs, I won't be all broken up. He may well end up being the stud I thought he would be a month ago. I just think that he's not the slam-dunk to be that player I thought he was a month ago.

I believe the players I listed above are safer 1st round choices and are more likely to not bust. They may not have all of the upside Suggs has either, though.

 

[Ed B]

Suggs will be useless when our opponents unveil the new "40 yard shotgun formation" and he will continually arrive at the QB in 4.8 seconds, just after the ball is released.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

put me in the questioning crew. i think all you suggs-lovers fail to realize that the rest of us aren't really suggs-haters or even suggs-doubters, but rather suggs-cautionaries.

a few months ago i was concerned with his lack of size for an every down de, but i also recognized his abilities (i have watched quite a few asu games during his college career) and would have been stoked to have him. then the first workout showed he was not only small, but weak (come on, he did 6 less reps than the AVERAGE de) and apparently slower than we all thought. then his second workout confirmed that slowness. then there's the entire non-cooperation with the cops thing. it's just a lot of negatives to completely ignore. as i've said before, would you be jumping up and down about any other player at any other position if his description was "small, weak, and slow for his position?" he scares me.

all that said, like those before me have said, i won't be disappointed if we take him. i'll be bummed if we pass the opp for leftwich (see every post prior to this one for the multitude of reasons), but i'll be happy to hope suggs' tenacity and moves pay off with a passrush.

gotta give ya kudos though for attempting to put together a "call-out" list, only problem with it is that you're not gonna get so much satisfaction with your told-you-so's if suggs pans out 'cuz it's not like you're going out on a limb, nor is anyone here steadfastly against drafting him.