The Collin Gillespie Bandwagon Thread

[JCSunsfan]

Would you rather have him or CP3 get minutes?

Personally I would rather give the minutes to him even though I don't think he is much of a distributor.

I dont want CP3 for this team at all.

 

[leclerc]

I am unsure. CP3 could be good, leadership wise, but he is slow and not that good on defence any longer. But we really need a PG and some leadership.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[95pro]

As long as green is around we are not looking for a pg.

And there has been no indication that we are trying to move Green. In fact iirc we said we aren’t looking to move despite those early reports.

 

[Proximo]

As long as green is around we are not looking for a pg.

And there has been no indication that we are trying to move Green. In fact iirc we said we aren’t looking to move despite those early reports.

Yes.

Gambo just tweeted not long ago, he thinks with the Gillespie signing they are unlikely to try and sign CP3, more likely a wing.

I hope that is correct.

 

[leclerc]

Did Green play PG in Houston? I thought Van Fleet did. How about college?

We now have three SG's as our best players and none (at least Book and Beal) have impressed as lead guard. Stupid roster as it stands now. Lots of decent wings, one PG and some centers. Looks like we'll be killed again, playing slow, small and weak.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Did Green play PG in Houston? I thought Van Fleet did. How about college?

We now have three SG's as our best players and none (at least Book and Beal) have impressed as lead guard. Stupid roster as it stands now. Lots of decent wings, one PG and some centers. Looks like we'll be killed again, playing slow, small and weak.

jalen green is not a pg - can't play pg - if he's on the court with book - book would be pg

 

[Hoop Head]

Did Green play PG in Houston? I thought Van Fleet did. How about college?

We now have three SG's as our best players and none (at least Book and Beal) have impressed as lead guard. Stupid roster as it stands now. Lots of decent wings, one PG and some centers. Looks like we'll be killed again, playing slow, small and weak.

He's played PG 20% of the time he's been in the league. He's a combo guard more in the Shai sort of mold than Booker. He can play it with his handles but he isn't a good passer. Think Jordan Clarkson for a comparison. He's capable but he should not be forced to do more than he does.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Did Green play PG in Houston? I thought Van Fleet did. How about college?

We now have three SG's as our best players and none (at least Book and Beal) have impressed as lead guard. Stupid roster as it stands now. Lots of decent wings, one PG and some centers. Looks like we'll be killed again, playing slow, small and weak.

Its not a roster designed to compete. It's a rebuilding roster.

That said. Book is a good distributor in the half court; we just don't want to wear him down bringing the ball up all the time. Green has great handles and would be great bringing the ball up but is not a very good distributor in the half court. A creative coach might, just might, be able to do something with that.

I am curious to see what Ott will do. Newer younger coaches are not as afraid to be creative. I have seen enough of older coaches trying to cram a team into their system.

 

[Hoop Head]

Its not a roster designed to compete. It's a rebuilding roster.

That said. Book is a good distributor in the half court; we just don't want to wear him down bringing the ball up all the time. Green has great handles and would be great bringing the ball up but is not a very good distributor in the half court. A creative coach might, just might, be able to do something with that.

I am curious to see what Ott will do. Newer younger coaches are not as afraid to be creative. I have seen enough of older coaches trying to cram a team into their system.

Ott is coming from Cleveland where they had Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland splitting PG duties. I think we'll see something similar here.

 

[leclerc]

I have not forgotten all the turn overs and poor results when point book sees extended pressure and especially double teams when we need good shots (crunch time). He should be working on his handles but I doubt he spends his time on that.

 

[Phrazbit]

I have not forgotten all the turn overs and poor results when point book sees extended pressure and especially double teams when we need good shots (crunch time). He should be working on his handles but I doubt he spends his time on that.

His turn over ratio is actually rather good, the problem is he plays extremely slow as a point guard, the offense bogs down, he takes too long to bring the ball up court and then he takes too long to engage whatever set they're going to run. It works well for a while but when the game tightens up and the defense locks in, playing that methodical and slow allows the defense to lock in, and create their own mismatches.

For Book to play point he either needs to play more aggressive in the first part of the shot clock or he needs someone really good at the pick and roll to free him up in half court sets.

Regardless, he is like a B- point guard and an elite shooting guard, we really need to focus on letting him play off the ball.

 

[Superbone]

I have not forgotten all the turn overs and poor results when point book sees extended pressure and especially double teams when we need good shots (crunch time). He should be working on his handles but I doubt he spends his time on that.

My hope would be that Ott would make changes to how Book handles double teams and strategize for it.

 

[leclerc]

We live in hope. Go Suns!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

His turn over ratio is actually rather good, the problem is he plays extremely slow as a point guard, the offense bogs down, he takes too long to bring the ball up court and then he takes too long to engage whatever set they're going to run. It works well for a while but when the game tightens up and the defense locks in, playing that methodical and slow allows the defense to lock in, and create their own mismatches.

For Book to play point he either needs to play more aggressive in the first part of the shot clock or he needs someone really good at the pick and roll to free him up in half court sets.

Regardless, he is like a B- point guard and an elite shooting guard, we really need to focus on letting him play off the ball.

He also just never makes the defense pay for double teaming. He’s just trying to throw it out of the double teaming rather than putting pressure on the double because either (a) he’s not fast enough to see the advantage or (b) the offense isn’t designed to pressure the double (difficult time believing the latter). So teams can blitz him with impunity.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He also just never makes the defense pay for double teaming. He’s just trying to throw it out of the double teaming rather than putting pressure on the double because either (a) he’s not fast enough to see the advantage or (b) the offense isn’t designed to pressure the double (difficult time believing the latter). So teams can blitz him with impunity.

he also doesn't have the handles/speed to be an effective drive and dish PG who's able to make defenses collapse on him.

truth is, as a PG, he's a below average to average at best playmaker and flat out terrible on D, which makes him a bad PG. Period. And without another premium scorer on the team, I expect our offense to be a trainwreck just like it was pre-Rubio/CP3 and even last year with a dominant scorer opposite him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

he also doesn't have the handles/speed to be an effective drive and dish PG who's able to make defenses collapse on him.

truth is, as a PG, he's a below average to average at best playmaker and flat out terrible on D, which makes him a bad PG. Period. And without another premium scorer on the team, I expect our offense to be a trainwreck just like it was pre-Rubio/CP3 and even last year with a dominant scorer opposite him.

Green has the handles and speed to drive and dish. He just has to be willing to dish sometimes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Green has the handles and speed to drive and dish. He just has to be willing to dish sometimes.

those two guys running the show, with a bunch of young guys is gonna be pretty ugly. And to be honest, forcing young guys to work with a PG as below average as Book is only going to blunt their development, meaning next season it will be impossible to actually be good and we won't be putting the youngins in the best position to start the growth process.

 

[JCSunsfan]

those two guys running the show, with a bunch of young guys is gonna be pretty ugly. And to be honest, forcing young guys to work with a PG as below average as Book is only going to blunt their development, meaning next season it will be impossible to actually be good and we won't be putting the youngins in the best position to start the growth process.

My guess is that they are going to try it, just like Ott did in Cleveland. I hope it will have a short window to see. Then it will be Gillespie's opportunity. Thats just my guess.

 

[angel_ofthe_south]

Please use this thread to explain what kind of point guard Gillespie actually is. I must assume any Nash comparisons are implausible, because nobody is similar to Nash. What about someone's claim months ago that Gillespie can defend? I thought he was slow and unathletic, or something. ...course, Nash wasn't athletic, and had more quickness than speed...

 

[Hoop Head]

Please use this thread to explain what kind of point guard Gillespie actually is. I must assume any Nash comparisons are implausible, because nobody is similar to Nash. What about someone's claim months ago that Gillespie can defend? I thought he was slow and unathletic, or something. ...course, Nash wasn't athletic, and had more quickness than speed...

Said it before, think Steve Nash before the Mavericks run. He's a playmaker who is scrappy but unathletic and needs some seasoning. He doesn't look like a starter but the Suns have had a lot worse. Maybe a poor man's TJ McConnell is a fair comparison also.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Please use this thread to explain what kind of point guard Gillespie actually is. I must assume any Nash comparisons are implausible, because nobody is similar to Nash. What about someone's claim months ago that Gillespie can defend? I thought he was slow and unathletic, or something. ...course, Nash wasn't athletic, and had more quickness than speed...

He is ok speed wise, handles the ball fine, is a middling distributor, a good shooter, and gets more steals than turnovers. He is not going to be a physical defender but disrupts with anticipation and steals sometimes. He plays with a great attitude and confidence. Not a lot of self-doubt there.

How'd I do?

 

[SirStefan32]

Please use this thread to explain what kind of point guard Gillespie actually is. I must assume any Nash comparisons are implausible, because nobody is similar to Nash. What about someone's claim months ago that Gillespie can defend? I thought he was slow and unathletic, or something. ...course, Nash wasn't athletic, and had more quickness than speed...

He is no Nash. He is a good ball-handler, good shooter, doesn't do stupid stuff, solid basketball IQ, he is not a terrible defender, but he can't guard faster point guards. I don't think he is terribly slow or a bad athlete- he is just not as quick and athletic as an ideal point guard should be. He's not going to be an all-star PG, but he might be enough for what they need.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He is no Nash. He is a good ball-handler, good shooter, doesn't do stupid stuff, solid basketball IQ, he is not a terrible defender, but he can't guard faster point guards. I don't think he is terribly slow or a bad athlete- he is just not as quick and athletic as an ideal point guard should be. He's not going to be an all-star PG, but he might be enough for what they need.

He needs to distribute better to be reasonably useful.

 

[Yuma]

I dont want CP3 for this team at all.

We need to run. Remember when CP3 said they were going to do that and it lasted a week before he was slowly bringing the ball up and getting us into plays late in the shot clock? CP3 doesn't fit what the Suns say they want to do.