The Collin Gillespie Bandwagon Thread

[Yuma]

This is what OKC has been setting itself up for since the Paul George trade. Having so many high-end picks that it’s near impossible to flame out and to consistently build a winner

They have so many picks in this upcoming draft, I believe it's like 5-6, they could redo the starting roster in theory in one draft. If they are smart, they will trade a few to get more in later years and just keep multiplying the picks in future drafts. In theory, they could eventually have endless talent at low cost to stock their team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And now I will cease mocking fangeeks and bandwagoners, and instead jump to the other side, by praising Collin Gillespie.

Gillespie is the new Elliot Perry. Yes, that means something to me: in 1993-94, when I was still a new NBA watcher, Elliot Perry became my archetype for "minor leaguer and/or journeyman who joins the Suns and then reveals un-noticed talent," because Perry was the first example I ever saw of this type. Charles Barkley was such a fan that he wore Perry's number to the all-star game. Collin Gillespie fits the type marvelously, even if he's probably not as good a playmaker as Perry. (Yes, playmaker. 15 assists in Perry's first Suns game.) Gillespie even shares certain other similarities with Perry. Perry started only because Kevin Johnson was injured; Gillespie is starting only because Jalen Green is injured. Like Perry, Gillespie is seizing the opportunity.

Collin seems better to me than Elliot Perry was. Collin plays D and shoots better from 3. But Perry was a long time ago somymemory might be foggy.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[Suns_fan69]

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[95pro]

who's Austin Butler?

 

[BirdGangThing]

who's Austin Butler?

the actor?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Collin carries himself like a star type player. No big celebrations that say "I can't believe I just did that!" He just keeps his focus on the next play. Drop a three and immediately go for the steal on the inbound.

He is making the case to start alongside Book.

 

[Suns_fan69]

He is making the case to start alongside Book.

If egos weren't a thing, the best starting 5 would be to indeed start Colin alongside Book with Green and Allen off the bench for a 4 man rotation between the PG/SG slots.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If egos weren't a thing, the best starting 5 would be to indeed start Colin alongside Book with Green and Allen off the bench for a 4 man rotation between the PG/SG slots.

Platoon like would be interesting. And then you still have Goodwin, Bouyae and Brea waiting in the wings. The guard depth on this team is fantastic.

The temptation would be to try to make a trade to take advantage of the value of players who are on the bench, but tinkering with this roster is probably a mistake.

 

[Folster]

Platoon like would be interesting. And then you still have Goodwin, Bouyae and Brea waiting in the wings. The guard depth on this team is fantastic.

The temptation would be to try to make a trade to take advantage of the value of players who are on the bench, but tinkering with this roster is probably a mistake.

I wish Richards was showing out more.

 

[Superbone]

Collin carries himself like a star type player. No big celebrations that say "I can't believe I just did that!" He just keeps his focus on the next play. Drop a three and immediately go for the steal on the inbound.

He is making the case to start alongside Book.

Philly tough!

 

[Mainstreet]

All Collin Gillespie has ever needed is security to be his best.

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[carrrnuttt]

All Collin Gillespie has ever needed is security to be his best.

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I'll definitely watch his bio movie after he wins the championship with the Suns.

 

[taz02]

Platoon like would be interesting. And then you still have Goodwin, Bouyae and Brea waiting in the wings. The guard depth on this team is fantastic.

The temptation would be to try to make a trade to take advantage of the value of players who are on the bench, but tinkering with this roster is probably a mistake.

True, a trade right now would have to be one you couldn't pass up.

if Gillespie continues to play at this level and into the playoffs, he will command a fortune. Somewhere here 13 mil was mentioned. That seems low if he continues at this level. Playing without Booker will be a huge test.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They should just extend him now.

 

[BirdGangThing]

They should just extend him now.

collin it now - suns get it done before trade deadline

 

[Hoop Head]

They should just extend him now.

collin it now - suns get it done before trade deadline

Team's can't offer extensions to players when they only hold early bird right's for, which still isnt what we have. Collin has to play through the season for us even acquire those early bird rights to offer the $13 million a year, roughly. The extension talk is screaming into a void as it's not permitted until the season ends.

 

[Mainstreet]

They should just extend him now.

As I understand it. The Suns don't have the Cap Space even if they wanted too. The CBA can be punitive about these things.

If the Suns wait and use his Early Bird rights when he becomes a free agent, it doesn't Hard Cap them and they can pay him a yearly salary up to $13 plus million per season.

 

[Hoop Head]

As I understand it. The Suns don't have the Cap Space even if they wanted too. The CBA can be punitive about these things.

If the Suns wait and use his Early Bird rights when he becomes a free agent, it doesn't Hard Cap them and they can pay him a yearly salary up to $13 plus million per season.

I forgot about getting under the cap to extend, which is essentially impossible. Thanks for mentioning that aspect.

I still don't grasp the hard cap nonsense. It's a newer provision and the cases I've heard of it kicking in don't share many similarities so I haven't tried to under the rules at all.

 

[Mainstreet]

I forgot about getting under the cap to extend, which is essentially impossible. Thanks for mentioning that aspect.

I still don't grasp the hard cap nonsense. It's a newer provision and the cases I've heard of it kicking in don't share many similarities so I haven't tried to under the rules at all.

Hopefully there is a kinder, gentler and less complicated CBA down the road. Experts are getting paid millions of dollars to understand it.

 

[Hoop Head]

Hopefully there is a kinder, gentler and less complicated CBA down the road. Experts are getting paid millions of dollars to understand it.

Larry Coon's CBA FAQ used to be all you needed and was pretty straightforward but there's a few contradictions last i checked. He doesn't reply on X to questions as often as he did during the last deal either. It's the best resource out there but it is no longer the Salary Cap Bible of sorts.

For anyone who isn't familiar, give it a gander.

NBA Salary Cap FAQ

 

[Covert Rain]

As I understand it. The Suns don't have the Cap Space even if they wanted too. The CBA can be punitive about these things.

If the Suns wait and use his Early Bird rights when he becomes a free agent, it doesn't Hard Cap them and they can pay him a yearly salary up to $13 plus million per season.

If he continues to have an outstanding season it's going to be interesting to see what Collin wants. His stellar play could be a double edged sword. I used AI to see what other teams could offer (this cap complexity is a pain):

Details of Another Team's Offer

• Maximum First-Year Salary: The full non-taxpayer Mid-Level Exception for the 2025-26 season is worth $14,104,000. This amount is slightly higher than the $13.3 million the Suns can offer using his Early Bird rights.
• Contract Length and Raises: An offer using the non-taxpayer MLE can be for up to four years, but it only allows for annual salary raises of up to 5%.
• Total Contract Value: A four-year contract at this amount would be worth approximately $65 million total, which is roughly $6 million more in total value over the full four-year period than the Suns' max offer of around $59 million.
• Cap Space: Teams with significant available cap space could theoretically offer even more, but most over-the-cap teams would use the non-taxpayer MLE as their primary mechanism to sign him.

 

[Mainstreet]

If he continues to have an outstanding season it's going to be interesting to see what Collin wants. His stellar play could be a double edged sword. I used AI to see what other teams could offer (this cap complexity is a pain):

Details of Another Team's Offer

• Maximum First-Year Salary: The full non-taxpayer Mid-Level Exception for the 2025-26 season is worth $14,104,000. This amount is slightly higher than the $13.3 million the Suns can offer using his Early Bird rights.
• Contract Length and Raises: An offer using the non-taxpayer MLE can be for up to four years, but it only allows for annual salary raises of up to 5%.
• Total Contract Value: A four-year contract at this amount would be worth approximately $65 million total, which is roughly $6 million more in total value over the full four-year period than the Suns' max offer of around $59 million.
• Cap Space: Teams with significant available cap space could theoretically offer even more, but most over-the-cap teams would use the non-taxpayer MLE as their primary mechanism to sign him.

What we have to hope for, if another team can find a way to pay Gillespie more, there is not enough disparity in salary to make a difference and he is happy in Phoenix.

The Suns should have wrapped him up long term last season and they had an another opportunity this past off-season.

 

[Yuma]

What we have to hope for, if another team can find a way to pay Gillespie more, there is not enough disparity in salary to make a difference and he is happy in Phoenix.

The Suns should have wrapped him up long term last season and they had an another opportunity this past off-season.

What we have to hope for, if another team can find a way to pay Gillespie more, there is not enough disparity in salary to make a difference and he is happy in Phoenix.

The Suns should have wrapped him up long term last season and they had an another opportunity this past off-season.

Last season we were working on what to do with Beal, etc. Plus, Gillespie looks like he really upped his game since last season. Most of it looks mental. He is more comfortable taking the three.

 

[Ronin]

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