Suns interested in Walter McCarty

[WaywardFan]

Sorry for being uninformed and out of the loop, but hey, I live in Pennsylvania.

I know nothing about McCarthy, but is he worth trading one of our starting 5, a starting corps that seems to be working out VERY well?

 

[Joe Mama]

Sorry for being uninformed and out of the loop, but hey, I live in Pennsylvania.

I know nothing about McCarthy, but is he worth trading one of our starting 5, a starting corps that seems to be working out VERY well?

I'm sorry if it was my post that created this confusion. To get Walter McCarty the Suns would only have to give up one of the many second-round draft picks they've acquired.

Joe

 

[WaywardFan]

I'm sorry if it was my post that created this confusion. To get Walter McCarty the Suns would only have to give up one of the many second-round draft picks they've acquired.

Joe

Oh, I can live with giving up picks.

Thanks, Joe.

I am not in the thick of this exciting year (though my parents plan their lives around games), so I can't really speak to chemistry, the good and the bad. It just seems to me there is an awful lot of trade talk for our big players in the midst of remarkable success. Marion (Marion??), JJ. Call me ignorant, but I don't understand why.

 

[elindholm]

As I said in another post, McCarty's poor defense (judging by his numbers, which are nothing short of alarming) is a concern. But maybe he'll be able to save Stoudemire a few more minutes a game, which might inspire Stoudemire to exert a little more energy on both ends of the court while he's out there.

I'm very surprised that the Celtics would give him up for only second-round picks. Tommy Heinson wants to have his baby.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think JJ is going to get a contract starting $5-7 million (the real question is what will the new CBA allow?). I don't see the Phoenix Suns allowing him to walk unless another team offers him a huge contract, and I don't see that happening. I would hope that they could re-sign Hunter for part of the mid-level exception (assuming one exists).


Joe Mama

Unfortunately, the offer JJ gets will be substantially more than that. That's really only the mid-level for your starting range. JJ is going to get a ridiculously high offer--so high that the Suns might not match. You watch.

Here is why. JJ can score, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, he can play point, he can rebound and he's a defensive stopper, and --yes Eric--he's consistent. I'm not saying that we should make a trade or anything.

JJ has all the tools to be a 1 or 2 option on a team and he's 3 or 4 with the Suns. That's a prime situation for picking off a RFA.

For you that are saying that the Celts could get more for Pierce than JJ. I think they'd make that swap in a second. In fact, I think they would consider trading Pierce for nothing just to make the room to sign JJ.

 

[newfan101]

I haven't seen a lot of Walter McCarty, but if anyone has, would it be safe to say he's kind of a poor man's Robert Horry?

Either way, this is another low risk trade for some much needed veteren depth. I cant complain.

 

[Chaplin]

I would love this trade if it goes through--2nd round picks to a Suns fan are pretty much worthless.

 

[elindholm]

JJ can score, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, he can play point, he can rebound and he's a defensive stopper, and --yes Eric--he's consistent.

I don't know why you're calling me out on this, since I have been nowhere near the loudest voice in complaining about Johnson's inconsistency. However, you cannot say he is "consistent" by any objective measure. I challenge you to come up with one (other than minutes played, I guess).

JJ is going to get a ridiculously high offer--so high that the Suns might not match.

That is possible, but it won't be the first time that a team offers way too much for a RFA. Any team that signs Johnson to a long-term deal starting at $8 million or more will be making a mistake, most likely a big mistake.

In fact, I think they would consider trading Pierce for nothing just to make the room to sign JJ.

That is absurd. (See my signature.)

 

[elindholm]

If the Suns get McCarty, then basically it's a straight swap (as far as the Suns are concerned) for Cabarkapa, with maybe some minor shuffling of second-round picks. That's obviously a big upgrade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is absurd. (See my signature.)

I'm not calling you out, its just that the last post I read that questioned his consistency happened to be written by you. His defense is consistent, and for being the 3rd scoring option his offense is remarkably consistent. I guess we'll just disagree.

Concerning my "absurd" comment. Ainge if fed up with Pierce's lack of defensive effort. Teams are more than willing these days to make what looks like an uneven trade, to get them in position to sign a FA etc. Look what Ainge got for Antoine Walker.

 

[elindholm]

I'm not calling you out, its just that the last post I read that questioned his consistency happened to be written by you.

Fair enough. The last post I read that questioned Johnson's consistency happened to be written by Chaplin, but you didn't hear that from me.

His defense is consistent, and for being the 3rd scoring option his offense is remarkably consistent.

I'll agree with you there, but if the Celtics were to dump Pierce for him, he wouldn't have the luxury of being the third option anymore.

Look what Ainge got for Antoine Walker.

Do you mean he got a lot, or he got a little? Rumor was that Ainge really liked LaFrentz. And in any case, Walker is nowhere near the player that Pierce is -- other than his first year or two, Walker has been pretty bad.

 

[asudevil83]

Unfortunately, the offer JJ gets will be substantially more than that. That's really only the mid-level for your starting range. JJ is going to get a ridiculously high offer--so high that the Suns might not match. You watch.

Here is why. JJ can score, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, he can play point, he can rebound and he's a defensive stopper, and --yes Eric--he's consistent. I'm not saying that we should make a trade or anything.

JJ has all the tools to be a 1 or 2 option on a team and he's 3 or 4 with the Suns. That's a prime situation for picking off a RFA.

For you that are saying that the Celts could get more for Pierce than JJ. I think they'd make that swap in a second. In fact, I think they would consider trading Pierce for nothing just to make the room to sign JJ.

alright...i'm just doing this by the current CBA, but a contract that starts JJ out at around $6.8 mil. with the 11.1111% increase (something that every star player gets) each year....over the course of 6 years JJ would have a 6 year $54 mil contract. THAT, IMO is something that shows his value.

remember, a guy like JJ isnt all uncommon in the league...wait, let me rephrase that. a guy like JJ isnt as uncommom as a quality starting center. so a contract such as that SHOULD be consistant with the market. besides, not many teams can afford too much more than the MLE. our viable competition for JJ isnt all that strong.

 

[Chaz]

I haven't seen a lot of Walter McCarty, but if anyone has, would it be safe to say he's kind of a poor man's Robert Horry?

Either way, this is another low risk trade for some much needed veteren depth. I cant complain.

I think McCarty is a little more athletic and lankey than Horry but that is probably not a bad comparison. McCarty has pretty good range with his shot and has a good defensive reach with some long arms.

I think he would fit right in with the Suns style of play and would be a great veteran bench player, especially for a 2nd round pick.

 

[jibikao]

Is this McCarty player good?

I checked out his stats and he doesn't seem that impressive to me.

He is 31 years old?? Wow.

Well, if we are only using our 2nd round pick to get him, I say go ahead and give it a try. Is that too much of a sacrafice?

 

[Chaplin]

I like JJ, but if his defense is so good, how come in every game, the guy he's supposed to guard is the guy that goes off for 30 points?

You can't say with a straight face that JJ is consistent--I don't think he's inconsistent enough to warrent an automatic trade, but he has not displayed the consistently we'd all like to expect from him.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Ok guys you seem to rip on our starting five alot and talk aout consistancy.. I admit I do it too with Q. The thing is though what if they were "consistant" as you guys want them to be. Would we be scoring 170 a night? Have by far the best record ever? I mean you can only hope for so much... JJ must be really good for us to be doing so well... Teams are obviously spending alot of money on guys who aren't that great our they wouldn't be in cap hell in the first place. I think someone will spend big money for him...

 

[cardsunsfan]

I like JJ, but if his defense is so good, how come in every game, the guy he's supposed to guard is the guy that goes off for 30 points?

You can't say with a straight face that JJ is consistent--I don't think he's inconsistent enough to warrent an automatic trade, but he has not displayed the consistently we'd all like to expect from him.

Often the guy JJ is guarding is the best scorer on the team and with our fast pace game the other team should get a lot more shots than normal....

 

[jbeecham]

Plus JJ hasn't really been guarding the guy that goes off. Nash was guarding Jamal Crawford (and jim jack when nash was out) so that JJ could guard Marbury. JJ was guarding Kidd in the NJ game. Nash & Q guarded Ginobili in the SA game (JJ eventually moved over to cover him but Ginobili was already too hot).

 

[binkar]

Boston: i've read on the realgm boards from boston fans that they'd be willing to give up Pierce if it netted them young guys and expiring contracts. JJ/Barbs/First Rounder fill that need, while Glenn Robinson is the expiring contract. with the money they save here, they'll be a serious contender in the free agent market, able to sign some pretty big talent. Barbosa has some experience at starting PG, and he's a young kid who might work out for them. Gary Payton made it well known that he wasnt happy playing in Boston, and almost didnt report. Chances are he's out of there anyway when the season is over. why not get something worthwhile for him?

The problem is that the fans on the realgm boards don't make the executive decisions for the team.

 

[Chaz]

Plus JJ hasn't really been guarding the guy that goes off. Nash was guarding Jamal Crawford (and jim jack when nash was out) so that JJ could guard Marbury. JJ was guarding Kidd in the NJ game. Nash & Q guarded Ginobili in the SA game (JJ eventually moved over to cover him but Ginobili was already too hot).

Excellent post.

JJ started on Parker in the SA game. JJ also guarded Marbury last night.


JJ is not the quickest player on defense but he is always in good position and is big and strong. He is clearly the Suns best defender. Marion also plays very well on defense despite the fact that he is usually giving up a lot of size to his opponent.

 

[asudevil83]

The problem is that the fans on the realgm boards don't make the executive decisions for the team.

i think you guys took this the wrong way. i went and talked to a few boston fans on the boston board (so they were actual boston fans). they said, that based on the situation in Boston, with the team having so many young guys and the cap situation there, they would be satisfied and would welcome an expiring contract and a couple of young developing players for Pierce.

its not like i was asking Knicks fans or Philly fans or whoever. i figure that true Boston fans would know what is good for the team, just as us Phoenix fans know what is good for ours. i know that boston fans dont make the "executive decisions" but they are a good indication on whether a particular deal or not makes sense for the team. i mean, if you cant talk to the high-ups, why not talk to the next best things, the fans.

 

[binkar]

i think you guys took this the wrong way. i went and talked to a few boston fans on the boston board (so they were actual boston fans). they said, that based on the situation in Boston, with the team having so many young guys and the cap situation there, they would be satisfied and would welcome an expiring contract and a couple of young developing players for Pierce.

its not like i was asking Knicks fans or Philly fans or whoever. i figure that true Boston fans would know what is good for the team, just as us Phoenix fans know what is good for ours. i know that boston fans dont make the "executive decisions" but they are a good indication on whether a particular deal or not makes sense for the team. i mean, if you cant talk to the high-ups, why not talk to the next best things, the fans.

I understand that Boston fans would think they know what is best for the team, but that has no relavence as to what Ainge thinks. Also, the chances of anything like that happening are EXTREMELY slim to none, so I just don't feel it is important to talk about.

 

[Joe Mama]

Unfortunately, the offer JJ gets will be substantially more than that. That's really only the mid-level for your starting range. JJ is going to get a ridiculously high offer--so high that the Suns might not match. You watch.

Here is why. JJ can score, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, he can play point, he can rebound and he's a defensive stopper, and --yes Eric--he's consistent. I'm not saying that we should make a trade or anything.

JJ has all the tools to be a 1 or 2 option on a team and he's 3 or 4 with the Suns. That's a prime situation for picking off a RFA.

For you that are saying that the Celts could get more for Pierce than JJ. I think they'd make that swap in a second. In fact, I think they would consider trading Pierce for nothing just to make the room to sign JJ.

I believe that a deal starting around $7 million is about what Jason Richardson from the Golden State warriors got. It wouldn't shock me if JJ was offered a little more than that, but I doubt it. I'm sorry, but JJ is not going to be the number one option for any good team. He might be a good second option, but I would consider him a third player on any good team.

If JJ was not going to be a restricted free agent or was re-signed to the type of deal on talking about the Boston Celtics would still want at least another player/draft pick or two for Paul Pierce. I'm sorry, but you are wrong about that.

Joe Mama

 

[Town Drunk]

Reports out of Boston is that the deal is dead.

Reportedly, the Suns were just offering the trade exception, and not a 2nd round pick. I guess Ainge was holding out for a pick.

 

[elindholm]

For what possible reason would the Suns be unwilling to part with one of their second-round picks? Who gives a flying flip about second-round picks?

That's just bizarre.

Oh well, easy come easy go. McCarty would have helped, but I don't think he would have been a major acquisition by any means.