Suns interested in Walter McCarty

[asudevil83]

Exactly

The Suns don't have the salaries to make any deal for an experienced player.

The best I can imagine would be:

Voskuhl 1.7
Zarko exception 1.3
and Bo? 1 million

for a total of $4million we could take in return. But that would be a really crappy thing to do to Bo.

Of course this would be for an experienced big that someone wants to unload.

actually, this is what i came up with:

Boston trades: $17,993,388
Paul Pierce
Gary Payton
Boston recieves: $15,300,204
Glenn Robinson
Joe Johnson
Barbosa
First Rounder from Boston

Philly trades: $13,670,799
Glenn Robinson
Samuel Dalembert
First Rounder
Philly recieves: $14,328,438
Paul Pierce
Jake Voskul
2nd Rounder From Phoenix

Phoenix trades: $6,272,704
Joe Johnson
Jake Voskul
Barbosa
Zarko Exemption
2nd Rounder
Phoenix Recieves: $7,008,249
Samuel Dalembert
Gary Payton

we've got our center and veteran backup PG, and we still get to keep our Chi Pick and our other two second rounders. since we have Dalembert, we can use this chi pick to snatch up a PG in this years draft. keeping payton might work out, because i think he'll probably get the same type of money that Jimmy J is getting.

Dalembert/Hunter
Amare/Bo/Shirley
Marion/Jimmy J
Q/Payton
Nahs/Payton/Smush

 

[Joe Mama]

actually, this is what i came up with:
Boston trades: $17,993,388
Paul Pierce
Gary Payton
Boston recieves: $15,300,204
Glenn Robinson
Joe Johnson
Barbosa

Philly trades: $13,670,799
Glenn Robinson
Samuel Dalembert
First Rounder
Philly recieves: $14,328,438
Paul Pierce
Jake Voskul
2nd Rounder

Phoenix trades: $6,272,704
Joe Johnson
Jake Voskul
Barbosa
Zarko Exemption
2nd Rounder
Phoenix Recieves: $7,008,249
Samuel Dalembert
Gary Payton

Don't hold your breath.

Joe

 

[devilalum]

actually, this is what i came up with:
Boston trades: $17,993,388
Paul Pierce
Gary Payton
Boston recieves: $15,300,204
Glenn Robinson
Joe Johnson
Barbosa

Philly trades: $13,670,799
Glenn Robinson
Samuel Dalembert
First Rounder
Philly recieves: $14,328,438
Paul Pierce
Jake Voskul
2nd Rounder

Phoenix trades: $6,272,704
Joe Johnson
Jake Voskul
Barbosa
Zarko Exemption
2nd Rounder
Phoenix Recieves: $7,008,249
Samuel Dalembert
Gary Payton

If you're gonna play this game you have to explain why each team would do this. How does this help each team involved?

At leasty that's the way ESPN usually plays the game just before the deadline.

 

[asudevil83]

Don't hold your breath.

Joe

i'm already turning blue

 

[asudevil83]

If you're gonna play this game you have to explain why each team would do this. How does this help each team involved?

At leasty that's the way ESPN usually plays the game just before the deadline.

Boston: i've read on the realgm boards from boston fans that they'd be willing to give up Pierce if it netted them young guys and expiring contracts. JJ/Barbs/First Rounder fill that need, while Glenn Robinson is the expiring contract. with the money they save here, they'll be a serious contender in the free agent market, able to sign some pretty big talent. Barbosa has some experience at starting PG, and he's a young kid who might work out for them. Gary Payton made it well known that he wasnt happy playing in Boston, and almost didnt report. Chances are he's out of there anyway when the season is over. why not get something worthwhile for him?

Philly: gets their star to play in the backcourt with Iverson. with a backcourt that consists of Iverson/Igaudala/Pierce with Korver/Green coming off the bench, Philly is very strong here. look at it this way: we were offering JJ for Dalembert, they get Pierce instead and get rid of Robinson's contract. Jake can do a serviceable job at the backup C position with Jackson starting.

Phoenix: we get our starting Center who'll fit in nicely here. Gary Payton will serve as both an expiring contract that will free up a little money and a QUALITY backup PG for us who might be able to play a little at the 2 guard behind Q. we get to keep our chi pick to use in the upcoming draft.

 

[fordronken]

Boston: i've read on the realgm boards from boston fans that they'd be willing to give up Pierce if it netted them young guys and expiring contracts.

Well if fans from a RealGM message board think so...

Honestly. Think about what you're saying. You're suggesting the Suns inquire about Samuel Dalembert, using Paul Pierce via Boston as a bargaining chip. Am I missing something?

And by the way, any team with Paul Pierce and Allen Iverson on it is doomed. I don't care who the other three starters are. It's doomed.

 

[elindholm]

Boston: i've read on the realgm boards from boston fans that they'd be willing to give up Pierce if it netted them young guys and expiring contracts.

That's a load of crap. If Boston wants to deal Pierce, they can get some quality in return. They don't need to dump him for cap space.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

And by the way, any team with Paul Pierce and Allen Iverson on it is doomed. I don't care who the other three starters are. It's doomed.

ROFL

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Anyways, my take is it is a nice deal for Philly and a pretty nice deal for Phoenix.

Boston however gets kind of shafted. All though who knows, if JJ were the man again he might step up and replace Pierce's production.

With that said, no chance of it going down even with Danny Ainge at the helm.

 

[Town Drunk]

Actually, Celtics fans are getting pretty frustrated with Pierce's lack of effort on the defensive end and his constant whining.

A good majority of them would like to see him moved for good young players, and cap space.

I think you're going to see that team be built around Jefferson now, and not Pierce.

 

[elindholm]

Have some of you forgotten that it was Boston who traded Johnson away in the first place? He has gotten better since then, but he still disappears for long stretches and there are serious questions about his mental makeup. The Celtics gave up on him once before; they aren't going to trade their franchise player in order to take another chance on him.

 

[elindholm]

Actually, Celtics fans are getting pretty frustrated with Pierce's lack of effort on the defensive end and his constant whining.

A good majority of them would like to see him moved for good young players, and cap space.

Fans don't make personnel moves. I'm sure Ainge has a more realistic assessment of Pierce's value.

 

[Town Drunk]

Where did I say that fans make personnel moves?

I'm sure Ainge does as well, but Pierce's value has taken a bit of a hit this season.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Have some of you forgotten that it was Boston who traded Johnson away in the first place? He has gotten better since then, but he still disappears for long stretches and there are serious questions about his mental makeup. The Celtics gave up on him once before; they aren't going to trade their franchise player in order to take another chance on him.

That isn't a fair statement. The C's are under a completely different management now from when they traded JJ. Chris Wallace traded him the first time (I think that was the old GM).

It still won't happen, but I don't think it will have anything to do with their previous relationship with JJ. Hell, it would be kind of like us and Nash. Draft a player, trade him and let another team develope him and go through the growing pains and then get him back


BTW - I am a firm believer that JJ would put up numbers like he did to end last season if he was a #1 or #2 option on offense.

 

[sunsfn]

In Boston on 1/28/2005, is Walter McCarty bobblehead night..........

Looks like Walter will not be a sun until after the 28th at least!

 

[Joe Mama]

If the Boston Celtics are going to trade Paul Pierce and Gary Payton they are going to get a hell of a lot more in return than JJ (a restricted free agent), Barbosa (an undersized shooting guard), and a first-round draft pick that is almost certainly going to fall in the second half of the draft. It would take much more than that just to get Paul Pierce.

Joe Mama

 

[asudevil83]

If the Boston Celtics are going to trade Paul Pierce and Gary Payton they are going to get a hell of a lot more in return than JJ (a restricted free agent), Barbosa (an undersized shooting guard), and a first-round draft pick that is almost certainly going to fall in the second half of the draft. It would take much more than that just to get Paul Pierce.

Joe Mama

not necessarily. along with payton, that expiring contract will do boston quite well. boston is at 62 million this year. by trading away Pierce and taking on Robinson while trading away payton, boston will be sitting at 35 mil. that also factors in some of their other expirings, but you get the picture. if they could only get rid of Blount and LaFrentz, they would be sitting VERY nicely.

i'd like to think that JJ could put up Pierce-like numbers in a year or two, costing boston HALF as much as Pierce would. need i mention that he's 23. sure barbosa is pretty much an undersized 2, but he CAN and HAS played point. last season he did well, and besides he's what 22. its not like this KID has peaked by any means.

looking at the long run, with the young developing talent, boston would do quite well being under the cap next year, instead of being over by 20 mil like this year. they can sign young talent to go along with their own, and because they have the rights to JJ they'd be able to hold onto him if they wanted.

that first rounder pretty much guarantees that boston will have a lotto pick. chances are that the only team from that division will make the playoffs, so if boston does, they'll have Philly's lotto pick. if boston doesnt, they'll have their own lotto pick, and if New York wins the division they'll have two lotto picks. thats pretty good for a rebuilding team like boston.

i would equate a trade like this as the same type of trade that Phoenix made last season...a salary dump to put boston under the cap for next season

Pierce=Marbury
Robinson=McDice
Barbs=Lampe
1st rounder=1st rounders

the only difference is the extra salaries of Hardaway, Eisley, and Ward changing hands.

and JJ just happens to make the trade that much more worth it to Boston.

 

[hcsilla]

PHI already owes a top8 protected 1st to NJN so they can't trade it one more time.

 

[JerkFace]

the only difference is the extra salaries of Hardaway, Eisley, and Ward changing hands.

the contract of hardaway is a BIG difference.

 

[asudevil83]

PHI already owes a top8 protected 1st to NJN so they can't trade it one more time.

thanks, you have officially ruined my fun....i'm was too lazy to check up on that myself. well, forget it then.

 

[Chaz]

Boston trades Pierce to get Johnson back. LMAO.

 

[King A]

http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics/view.bg?articleid=65285
got it from hoopshype.com
Seems like Walter is coming

The Celtics were very close last night to a trade involving Walter McCarty [news], according to multiple sources.
The Celts were said to be awaiting a final word from Phoenix, which will return a second-round pick to Boston if the transaction is completed.
Director of basketball operations Danny Ainge had no comment on the matter, but McCarty confirmed he had heard from the club that the deal had gone well beyond the preliminary stage.

I would easily give up two second rounders
We have enough of them

 

[Kolo]

McCarty from the same Herald article:

``I'm very excited if it does happen,'' McCarty said before last night's 97-92 Celtics win over Charlotte. ``The Suns are a team that's playing really well right now, and it would be a chance to win. I'm very excited. I think it's close and I just hope it follows through. I don't want to get too anxious and be disappointed if it doesn't happen.

``I've been here for a long time and there's been nothing but good things for me. But I do think it's time to maybe get a change of scenery. I've been very happy with the Celtics organization from the top to the bottom and I've really enjoyed working with the people in the Boston community. Those people will be friends for life.''

By moving McCarty, the Celtics would get out of the $1.5 million player option for next season (though there is reason to question whether he'd exercise it) and get a little roster flexibility. There is also said to be a feeling in management that McCarty deserves a better opportunity, and he would no doubt be a good fit in the Suns' running system.

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I really like this move if it happens. I think we saw last night the benefit of having a veteran who understands the game coming off the bench (though McCarty certainly doesn't have J. Jackson's skills).

We have 2nds from Golden State (Zarko), Dallas (via N.O. and the Jacobsen trade) and our own. Hopefully, we're keeping the Golden State pick, but if not, still well worth adding a savvy vet to the rotation.

 

[Joe Mama]

I really like this move if it happens. I think we saw last night the benefit of having a veteran who understands the game coming off the bench (though McCarty certainly doesn't have J. Jackson's skills).

We have 2nds from Golden State (Zarko), Dallas (via N.O. and the Jacobsen trade) and our own. Hopefully, we're keeping the Golden State pick, but if not, still well worth adding a savvy vet to the rotation.

I doubt the Phoenix Suns are really interested in adding players taken in the second round at this point anyways. actually I take that back. They probably wouldn't mind getting someone just out of the first round without having to give them a contract that is guaranteed for the next three years.

1. Shawn Marion
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Quentin Richardson
4. Steve Nash
5. Jimmy Jackson
6. Jake Voskuhl
7. Leandro Barbosa
8. Walter McCarty?

If this trade went through those are the players who would be under contract next season. I think JJ is going to get a contract starting $5-7 million (the real question is what will the new CBA allow?). I don't see the Phoenix Suns allowing him to walk unless another team offers him a huge contract, and I don't see that happening. I would hope that they could re-sign Hunter for part of the mid-level exception (assuming one exists).

That would leave them with 10 players under contract for next season. of course who knows what other little trades they won't make. It wouldn't surprise me if they dealt Barbosa and/or Jake Voskuhl. I doubt it though. What does this show us? I have no idea. It was probably a waste of my time.

It is interesting that as good as they are the Phoenix Suns have one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA this year even while they are paying Howard Eiseley something like $6 million to play for the Utah Jazz.

Joe Mama

 

[Kolo]

Another quote from McCarty from a Boston.com article (don't know what form of media Boston.com is)--

Toward that end, a league source indicated yesterday that the Celtics and Phoenix Suns have talked regarding a deal for Walter McCarty. After the game, McCarty confirmed that such talk was, indeed, under way and that he had been the instigator.

"I initiated it," he said. "I hear it's close. We'll see."