Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Mainstreet]

Collin Gillespie has 13 assists to 1 turnover since becoming a starter for Phoenix.

Finding a player to waive should be easy. The contract situation may be more complicated.

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[Mainstreet]

Inexplicably, is why did the Suns go away from Dunn and Ighodaro. Has it taken Bud this long to figure out the Suns roster?

The question, in regard to Martin and Gillespie, is would the Suns play them? Martin is the Suns version of a power forward.

The Suns roster isn't fixed, but they finally have some players out there who play with energy and willing to play defense.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Inexplicably, is why did the Suns go away from Dunn and Ighodaro. Has it taken Bud this long to figure out the Suns roster?

The question, in regard to Martin and Gillespie, is would the Suns play them? Martin is the Suns version of a power forward.

The Suns roster isn't fixed, but they finally have some players out there who play with energy and willing to play defense.

As I've said, I'm not in favor of a quick firing of yet another Head Coach. But if I were going to fire him, it would be due to him not playing those guys (especially Dunn). If Ryan wasn't dealing with an injury I see no justification for him not being on the court regularly.

 

[Mainstreet]

As I've said, I'm not in favor of a quick firing of yet another Head Coach. But if I were going to fire him, it would be due to him not playing those guys (especially Dunn). If Ryan wasn't dealing with an injury I see no justification for him not being on the court regularly.

It seems like the Suns are figuring out they have some bookend type forwards that can play with Durant or off the bench. I guess I'm thinking back to the days of Gar Heard and Curtis Perry.

Dunn, Ighodaro, Martin and O'Neale are these type players. Wish Oso had an outside shot, but I guess you can't have everything.

IMO, Gillespie has allowed these players to play their game because he is content to run the team and make sure everyone is involved. Since he doesn't tend to turn the ball over, this has helped remedy one of the Suns biggest weaknesses, turnovers.

I'm not comparing talent, but Gillespie reminds me a lot of John Stockton, Mark Price, and Steve Nash in the way he runs the team. Although not overly athletic, he is an absolute pest on defense. He gives the team a rudder they desperately needed. Tyus Jones has excelled as a shooting point guard coming off the bench.

 

[Adrian]

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[Hoop Head]

Inexplicably, is why did the Suns go away from Dunn and Ighodaro. Has it taken Bud this long to figure out the Suns roster?

The question, in regard to Martin and Gillespie, is would the Suns play them? Martin is the Suns version of a power forward.

The Suns roster isn't fixed, but they finally have some players out there who play with energy and willing to play defense.

We aren't privy to locker room or practice talk. I feel Oso was sat for a reason, he did a G-League stint and we didn't need him that badly with Richards and Plumlee. I think there could be some things they haven't done that Bud requested, be it in practice or games, so they didn't earn the minutes on the floor.

Gillepsie not playing makes the most sense. We brought in Tyus Jones and Morris to run PG and Beal and Booker still cover that spot for at least 1/4 of the game as well. The minutes for him just weren't there. He was in the awkward position of not having a role because he couldn't earn one through his play since the team was fairly deep at his position. Unlike the others, he's not a good off ball or combo guard, which limited his potential minutes further.

 

[Adrian]

Evan Sidery

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After pursuing a trade for Kevin Durant last month, the Heat will be a team to closely monitor if the Suns make him available again this summer.Miami can build a potentially appealing package around Andrew Wiggins, Jaime Jaquez Jr., Nikola Jovic, and multiple first-round picks.

 

[Chaplin]

Ironically, the better we do (and KD puts up numbers), the less likely we will trade him, especially if we do end up trading Beal somehow.

Also, it's just a matter of time before Micic is waived and Gillespie converted. It's coming, just don't know when yet.

 

[Mainstreet]

Gillepsie not playing makes the most sense. We brought in Tyus Jones and Morris to run PG and Beal and Booker still cover that spot for at least 1/4 of the game as well. The minutes for him just weren't there. He was in the awkward position of not having a role because he couldn't earn one through his play since the team was fairly deep at his position. Unlike the others, he's not a good off ball or combo guard, which limited his potential minutes further.

I understand your point, but if I'm a coach with a losing record and the highest payroll in the NBA, I'm looking for solutions.

IMO, Gillespie is the best true point guard on the Suns roster.

 

[Hoop Head]

I understand your point, but if I'm a coach with a losing record and the highest payroll in the NBA, I'm looking for solutions.

IMO, Gillespie is the best true point guard on the Suns roster.

Which could be what spurned this run. I think the questions you ask are valid, I try to view it from all perspectives. In this case Bud, players, JJ, and Ish. I believe Budenholzer had sort of a deal in place to play what's being paid for up until it was clear that wasnt working and he started using what he found useful more and more, enter the youngsters. That's worked and if it was Bud's call to go that direction it should help alleviate JJ of his duties and give Bud more control.

 

[Mainstreet]

Which could be what spurned this run. I think the questions you ask are valid, I try to view it from all perspectives. In this case Bud, players, JJ, and Ish. I believe Budenholzer had sort of a deal in place to play what's being paid for up until it was clear that wasnt working and he started using what he found useful more and more, enter the youngsters. That's worked and if it was Bud's call to go that direction it should help alleviate JJ of his duties and give Bud more control.

I understand the pecking order thing and the implied promises made when signing Tyus and Monte.

What I'm less forgiving of is the Suns failing to wrap up Gillespie to a standard NBA contract a long time ago. We have already discussed this, so I will not elaborate further.

 

[Adrian]

Phoenix Suns

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Shooting lights out from beyond the arc!Tyus is averaging a career-best 42.3% from long range, on 5.0 3PA per game

 

[Adrian]

Sam Cooper

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This data is just really hard to stomach.
Book, KD, Beal together: -3.6 net rating
Book, KD, no Beal: +5.8
Beal, Book, no KD: -15.4
Beal, KD, no Book: -16.2
300+ min sample size for each combo. And 1 common denominator.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Sam Cooper
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This data is just really hard to stomach.
Book, KD, Beal together: -3.6 net rating
Book, KD, no Beal: +5.8
Beal, Book, no KD: -15.4
Beal, KD, no Book: -16.2
300+ min sample size for each combo. And 1 common denominator.

Hello Mr Ronin! Sixth from the WZ. How you been?

 

[Adrian]

Hello Mr Ronin! Sixth from the WZ. How you been?

Hi! Long time no see. I've been good, can't complain. How have you been?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think KD is lazy but that's just a really bad trade for the Lakers.

I don't think KD is lazy but that's just a really bad trade for the Lakers.

You think? I like reeves and knect but without first rounders I don’t think that deal is great. Rui is okay, Vanderbilt is okay. But both are old enough that they aren’t part of a rebuild and neither has enough value to bring back a 1st. Vincent is worthless in that deal.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Of course. And some of them will make sense but still just be fabrications. This one makes no sense for the Lakers IMO.

Agree from the lakers side. They don’t need a star. Role players around Lebron, Luka and bronny is all that’s needed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

it all starts with the humble 3 - or should i say the hungry 3 - no crazy contracts - no shoe deals - just whatever it is that makes someone play their best - to try their hardest - same with rock bands and rappers - the first couple/few albums are going to be the realest - bud squandered a huge opportunity or should i say 4 of them (bol bol included) all season long - we don't have draft picks but dunn and oso are a decent place to start

Who is the third guy?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Who is the third guy?

gillespie - dunn - oso ---- aka the gauchos - dunn said that's what the trio calls themselves

 

[Yuma]

Inexplicably, is why did the Suns go away from Dunn and Ighodaro. Has it taken Bud this long to figure out the Suns roster?

The question, in regard to Martin and Gillespie, is would the Suns play them? Martin is the Suns version of a power forward.

The Suns roster isn't fixed, but they finally have some players out there who play with energy and willing to play defense.

Lots of people covering basketball say that Coach Bud leans on veterans. His tendency seems to be not playing rookies.

 

[Chaplin]

... and bronny is all that’s needed.

"and bronny." LOL

 

[Mainstreet]

Lots of people covering basketball say that Coach Bud leans on veterans. His tendency seems to be not playing rookies.

That's the way it looks here, but others say Bud is great at developing talent.

I haven't been excited about Bud's rotations this season.

 

[Covert Rain]

That's the way it looks here, but others say Bud is great at developing talent.

I haven't been excited about Bud's rotations this season.

That might be true but at the same time, we are seeing growth out of the younger guys so you have to give some credit.

 

[Mainstreet]

That might be true but at the same time, we are seeing growth out of the younger guys so you have to give some credit.

If Bud had been more willing to go to the youth movement after the trade deadline, I'd be more inclined to give him credit.

 

[Covert Rain]

If Bud had been more willing to go to the youth movement after the trade deadline, I'd be more inclined to give him credit.

You can't argue with the fact that Dunn and Oso have made progress. That's all I am saying. You can critique him about a many things. I agree with the rotations thing but he does get credit for how the young guys are playing even if it took him some time to get there.