Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Superbone]

Who were the geniuses that architected a team of all offense, no size or athleticism, or defense around Devin Booker and Kevin Durant? Maybe it is time for Jones to go. Unless it was all Ishbia's doing. Either way, Jones should have put his foot down. Add Bartelstein to the list.

 

[BirdGangThing]

kd isn't a ball hog or a stat padder - he takes control of games like the greats do and he's consistent af - there's a clear difference between he and book with kd being on a whole different level

 

[GatorAZ]

kd isn't a ball hog or a stat padder - he takes control of games like the greats do and he's consistent af - there's a clear difference between he and book with kd being on a whole different level

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KD is great he just can’t elevate a team like top-5 superstars do anymore. What he’s doing in season 17 six years after tearing his achilles is incredible.

 

[Superbone]

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KD is great he just can’t elevate a team like top-5 superstars do anymore. What he’s doing in season 17 six years after tearing his achilles is incredible.

I don't think he ever could. It wasn't until he joined a ready-made team that he won it all. What he is is one of the all-time most skilled basketball players to ever play the game but not a leader as much as he argues the point. Otherwise, this team wouldn't turn the ball over so carelessly including himself, they wouldn't be force feeding him the ball (his ego allows this and he should know better that team ball would be better; sure there's a time and place for it but not every play), and he would get on them for such poor defense and rebounding.

Instead, a perfect example of his "leadership" was during the Grizzlies game where they reported that a woman yelled at KD to "do something!" and he replied to her, "What do you expect me to do?"

 

[Hoop Head]

kd isn't a ball hog or a stat padder - he takes control of games like the greats do and he's consistent af - there's a clear difference between he and book with kd being on a whole different level

Consistent how? He's had costly turnovers when the game is on the line the last 2 seasons. He also scores more in losses than wins. Averaging 30.4 in losses while 25.2 in wins. The Suns are also 6-10 in the 16 games KD has scored 30+.

He has talent, no one denies that, but he's not a leader or #1 option on a successful team. Curry and the Warriors have just as many titles without KD as they got with him. They won a title before he went there and after he left. When you can plug Wiggins into his spot there then it highlights how unnecessary Durant himself was for their success during Curry's prime. Finals MVP awards aren't a real measure of success. That says who produced a lot in a series. IIRC you were one of the people who felt Tatum was robbed of the Finals MVP last year also, I know a lot of people felt that way, so who wins those is always a bit contentious.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Consistent how? He's had costly turnovers when the game is on the line the last 2 seasons. He also scores more in losses than wins. Averaging 30.4 in losses while 25.2 in wins. The Suns are also 6-10 in the 16 games KD has scored 30+.

He has talent, no one denies that, but he's not a leader or #1 option on a successful team. Curry and the Warriors have just as many titles without KD as they got with him. They won a title before he went there and after he left. When you can plug Wiggins into his spot there then it highlights how unnecessary Durant himself was for their success during Curry's prime. Finals MVP awards aren't a real measure of success. That says who produced a lot in a series. IIRC you were one of the people who felt Tatum was robbed of the Finals MVP last year also, I know a lot of people felt that way, so who wins those is always a bit contentious.

you're on crack - i don't even like tatum he's a scrub - sometimes i think you're just desperate for a response

 

[Hoop Head]

you're on crack - i don't even like tatum he's a scrub - sometimes i think you're just desperate for a response

Good job refuting the actual point.

Deflect some more. You've proven nothing except that you refuse to participate in a discussion and just want to push your opinion as fact, even when assigning beliefs to others. No one is hating KD by pointing out his shortcomings.

 

[BirdGangThing]

no dunn vs kd till 7 tonight

 

[GatorAZ]

Consistent how? He's had costly turnovers when the game is on the line the last 2 seasons. He also scores more in losses than wins. Averaging 30.4 in losses while 25.2 in wins. The Suns are also 6-10 in the 16 games KD has scored 30+.

He has talent, no one denies that, but he's not a leader or #1 option on a successful team. Curry and the Warriors have just as many titles without KD as they got with him. They won a title before he went there and after he left. When you can plug Wiggins into his spot there then it highlights how unnecessary Durant himself was for their success during Curry's prime. Finals MVP awards aren't a real measure of success. That says who produced a lot in a series. IIRC you were one of the people who felt Tatum was robbed of the Finals MVP last year also, I know a lot of people felt that way, so who wins those is always a bit contentious.

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Tatum was the Celtics best player throughout the playoffs but his 3pt shot fell off in the finals. Didn’t really affect the series

Finals MVP is kind of a dumb award in general. It’s a handful of media voting on a two week award at the longest.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

you're on crack - i don't even like tatum he's a scrub - sometimes i think you're just desperate for a response

I guess you missed the rule that said "no insults."

 

[BirdGangThing]

I guess you missed the rule that said "no insults."

we're good main - you might be mad at me for some reason but we're good in my book - far as that post goes i don't appreciate being lied on by people i don't appreciate - i usually don't even respond - but honestly i don't have to sit here and explain this to you so what evs

 

[BirdGangThing]

rising stars get announced like a visiting team while the ogs get the full on wwe entrance

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

you're on crack - i don't even like tatum he's a scrub - sometimes i think you're just desperate for a response

Personal attack. 1st warning

 

[BirdGangThing]

Personal attack. 1st warning

my bad

 

[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

we're good main - you might be mad at me for some reason but we're good in my book - far as that post goes i don't appreciate being lied on by people i don't appreciate - i usually don't even respond - but honestly i don't have to sit here and explain this to you so what evs

Lied on? What is your deal? You are delusional. I said I thought you took issue with Tatum not winning the finals MVP. I was apparently wrong on that, sorry, but i also didnt state that factually. Now you want to act all butthurt?

You don't have to appreciate me, I don't care, but we have differing views on something and now you act immature. We had no issue last year when we made a friendly finals bet for an avatar pic but now "you don't appreciate me"? I know your issue but I also know you aren't mature enough to own up to it.

 

[BirdGangThing]

wow they're actually playing defense

 

[BirdGangThing]

mavs shoulda traded for wemby lol

 

[Hoop Head]

mavs shoulda traded for wemby lol

Wrong thread, this is the Suns season thread.

 

[Phrazbit]

kd isn't a ball hog or a stat padder - he takes control of games like the greats do and he's consistent af - there's a clear difference between he and book with kd being on a whole different level

As the current era has gone more and more towards playing fast, ball movement and rotation, KD, IMO, has stopped being the kind of guy who has a huge impact. He turns the ball over at such a rate that a good 10-12 of his points can be tossed aside as to compensate for giving the opposition free points.

He's a great individual player but his value as a 5 on 5 NBA player is far less than his stats indicate.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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