Someone explain AJ Green to me?

[Totally_Red]

Yeah, Ertz is probably is a little better route runner, and has a little better hands than Maxx Williams, but neither does he possess the strength for YAC, or blocking ability of Williams.

Williams was a vicious blocker. Just moving guys right out of the picture frame. He would also occasionally shed a tackler, and would move the pile forward (or at least fall forward) after contact.

Don't get me wrong. Ertz is sure handed, is producing, and I'm thankful we have him. But call me crazy if you want, I think Williams brought a little more to table, and I hope he comes back at 100%.

Agree with your overall take that our WR corp is not nearly as good without DHop. Very average in fact.

Losing Maxx took a big bite out of the physicality on offense. And he was decent at piling up yards after contact. I hope he's back on an incentive-laden contract next year.

 

[cardncubfan]

I would love to see Ertz & MaddMaxx on the field at the same time. Bookend tight ends where either can catch the ball.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Trade for Michael Thomas. That’s going to solve the Wr problems.

I had to laugh when people said he’s off injured and a diva. That can’t be further from the truth.

James Lauranaitis is on a local talk show here and he was saying Thomas was the hardest working teammate he’s ever been around and a 1sr class person.

 

[QuebecCard]

I get the impression from green that he just doesn't wanna be the guy no more. I think he was happy we had dhop so he could be jag and play out a couple more seasons.
Dude used to blaze down the sidelines like a rocket when he was younger...deceptive speed for his size.
He didn't get a ton of playoff opportunities at cincy so hopefully he tries to make this one count

50 - 825 - 16.5 yds per catch*

* 3rd in the League amongst receivers with 50 or more catches.

 

[DaHilg]

no question

since i have watched very few Bengals games in the past

im curious if this is AJ Green -- you see the good plays, and even at his age he got behind Diggs

but the drift in focus is odd for a such an accomplished vet.

Chase, Boyd, Higgins… all better than Every WR not named Nuk on our team. I’d easily put Chase above Hopkins, you aren’t going to see 1,400 yard and 13 TDs from Hopkins at this point. I thought they were dumb when not selecting Sewell, but wow.

Why’s this added to the AJ Green thread? 2 reasons; 1) Higgins out played him 2 be the #2 WR 2, Cinci was ready to move on. 2) see how much a game breaking WR helps a WR. I feel Ceedee and his connection to Kyler could have been this for us

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Green somehow still gets separation man. Big time.

 

[slanidrac16]

Trade for Michael Thomas. That’s going to solve the Wr problems.

I had to laugh when people said he’s off injured and a diva. That can’t be further from the truth.

James Lauranaitis is on a local talk show here and he was saying Thomas was the hardest working teammate he’s ever been around and a 1sr class person.

It would cost way too much with how many players we will have to sign.
Mike Williams of the Chargers is a free agent. Wonder how much he’d cost.

 

[oaken1]

50 - 825 - 16.5 yds per catch*

* 3rd in the League amongst receivers with 50 or more catches.

Yup... not bad at all. Numbers would be better without a few lapses in concentration

 

[DaHilg]

I really do hope we win the Super Bowl. However, its a night and day difference when watching the Chiefs/Bengals game earlier vs. us.

Ertz is basically Fitz, but with the benefit of a more experienced Kyler. Just cant count on YAC. Kelce is older but can still maneuver down the field. Green can still get downfield and make big catches. However, outside of Hopkins Im not sure we have a guy who can turn a 10 yard pass into 30. Bengals have a guy who can turn into 60. Rondale could potentially be that but still has some polish to go.

Again I hope we win the Super Bowl and pick last.

However, this draft is loaded with Wrs who might fall to the bottom of the 1st round. Depending on what we do in FA I'd be tempted. Just did a fanspeak NFL mock draft where the OSU wrs were avaiable. Idk it'd be tempting.

This 100… I’ve been saying this for the past 2 years. We don’t have weapons that create separation. You need that in the NFL. We have Hopkins this best contested WR in the NFL, but literally no one who is going to make that 10 to 30… let alone 10 to the house.

Ertz is a no YAC guy, Kirk - I believe there was a stat last year that he had ZERO broken tackles (not to mention his drop issues)… AJ is a contested catch guy as well, who seemingly lacks effort (but is a massive upgrade from last year).

Was thinking Rondale was going to be that guy, but haven’t seen it.. let alone any routes to see if he could be it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It would cost way too much with how many players we will have to sign.
Mike Williams of the Chargers is a free agent. Wonder how much he’d cost.

Cap isn’t an issue with restructures, etc.

He could probably be had for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

 

[az jam]

I would like to see AJ Green back next year for the right salary. However, Ertz is my number one priority for receivers (WRs & TEs) coming back next year.

 

[DaHilg]

Cap isn’t an issue with restructures, etc.

He could probably be had for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Highly doubt it, more expensive.. Herbert loves him, Allen is getting older. The OC, wants Williams to be a Mike Thomas role he once stated.

Oh and he’s having his best statistical year in only 13 games played

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I liked the Green signing but don’t want him back next year. Like the OP said, there’s been too many strange things happen with him. It’s weird. He seems disengaged many times but when he’s engaged he makes plays. Hard to explain.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Highly doubt it, more expensive.. Herbert loves him, Allen is getting older. The OC, wants Williams to be a Mike Thomas role he once stated.

Oh and he’s having his best statistical year in only 13 games played

I was talking cap issues with a trade for Thomas. Not signing Williams.

 

[SoonerLou]

Green somehow still gets separation man. Big time.

Yea he's actually having a career year in terms of YPC. I think having Hopkins on the other side played a huge role in that. Its just difficult for him to be as complete as you'd like. Guys like Kupp, Hopkins, etc just made the difficult catches look routine.

Green needs great placement for the most part. Which is fine since Kyler is really good at the deep ball. Its just a shame Hopkins got hurt. Not to mention the tempo we play at can wear you down as an older wr as well.

 

[SoonerLou]

Yeah, Ertz is probably is a little better route runner, and has a little better hands than Maxx Williams, but neither does he possess the strength for YAC, or blocking ability of Williams.

Williams was a vicious blocker. Just moving guys right out of the picture frame. He would also occasionally shed a tackler, and would move the pile forward (or at least fall forward) after contact.

Don't get me wrong. Ertz is sure handed, is producing, and I'm thankful we have him. But call me crazy if you want, I think Williams brought a little more to table, and I hope he comes back at 100%.

Agree with your overall take that our WR corp is not nearly as good without DHop. Very average in fact.

My thng with Ertz is that I dont think its a coincidence the Eagles have gotten a bit more explosive without him. Goedert is the better blocker and downfield/yac threat. Ertz like AJ will be better with a true #1 WR on the team. Maxx really did a lot for the team those first 5 games. He was like a poor mans Kittle (for 5 games) tbh.

 

[Totally_Red]

Kirk is THE deep threat but he's really fallen off since Dhop's absence. At the right price I'd bring back but I hate him as a punt returner. I wince every time he gives ground and loses 5-10 yards. Fair catches are a relief.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's never gonna make the jump if KK keeps using him for gadget plays. He should be learning the whole route tree, running delayed drags across the middle. Get him in space & he can make people miss because he's good at it. The deeper the route, may only have 1 guy to make miss & he's gone. I don't think we'll resign Kirk ( probably asking for too much?) Moore will have to play his spot in the slot in 2022.

I'm the contrarian on Kirk he drives me nuts with drops etc but I think he's back. Kyler loved Kirk, has said several times Kirk is the "glue guy" on the offense. They have played 3 years together that's really the only WR on the roster in that situation since Andy basically never plays now. I think the Cards are trying to build their offense around Kyler so they're not going to let a guy he loves walk unless he's just WAY over demanding in money.

Just MO.

 

[Russ Smith]

My thng with Ertz is that I dont think its a coincidence the Eagles have gotten a bit more explosive without him. Goedert is the better blocker and downfield/yac threat. Ertz like AJ will be better with a true #1 WR on the team. Maxx really did a lot for the team those first 5 games. He was like a poor mans Kittle (for 5 games) tbh.

Too many variables. The reason the Eagles traded Zach is they knew they were getting Goedert back soon and it was apparent to them that Hurts will NOT throw over the middle so paying 2 TE's big money made no sense.

Since we got Zach he has 49 catches, in 10 games 490 yards (if my math is right) so basically 5 catches a game for 10 YPC. 3 TD's. We got Zach the first 2 games he was great and learning the offense, the 3rd game we had no Kyler, no D Hop and Edmonds got hurt on the first play of the game. Since then we have not had the whole offense together so you can't really compare the offense with Maxx to the offense with Zach and say that's the problem, there's TONS of other guys missing too.

Since the Eagles traded him Goedert has 41 catches for 614 yards so 15 YPC and 2 TD's. The Eagles changed the offense after the trade they went to a run heavy package where they really only throw to 2 guys, Smith and Goedert, often play action. Both of them have seen their YPC go way up since the change because everyone is playing to stop their run game. So the Eagles have CLEARLY gotten better but I don't think it's because they got rid of Zach it's because they accepted that it made no sense to have 2 good pass catching TE's with Jalen Hurts. To his credit Hurts has figured out how to use Goedert, the biggest complaint about him as a QB is he won't throw over the middle, he's started to do that. They just decided asking Hurts to run an "NFL" offense wasn't working so they modified to be more like what he did in college and its' worked, it just has limits.

It worked out well for both teams, Goedert has taken off since the trade, and Zach has been a godsend for us.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think the Cards are trying to build their offense around Kyler so they're not going to let a guy he loves walk unless he's just WAY over demanding in money.

How much would you pay him?

 

[Russ Smith]

How much would you pay him?

No idea I'd have to see the market first. I don't want to overpay but I do think the Cards are going to tend to want to keep guys Kyler likes. now if Kyler happens to love Isabella, i don't think that's going to save him but for a guy like Kirk I think his value to US is probably higher because of the chemistry with him and Kyler.

 

[Bkbobo]

Since Green doesn’t have any playoffs success, maybe he will have a different opinion once we win the Super Bowl! we can bring him back on a decent contract. Maybe having a superbowl ring will help him with any focus issues.

 

[Totally_Red]

How much would you pay him?

7-8 million per

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I'm the contrarian on Kirk he drives me nuts with drops etc but I think he's back. Kyler loved Kirk, has said several times Kirk is the "glue guy" on the offense. They have played 3 years together that's really the only WR on the roster in that situation since Andy basically never plays now. I think the Cards are trying to build their offense around Kyler so they're not going to let a guy he loves walk unless he's just WAY over demanding in money.

Just MO.

Totally understand that but it all depends on how much Kirk asks for? The overwhelming opinion right now is that he will want too much, guess we'll find out in March. I do know that Rondalle Moore is very talented & way better after the catch than Kirk is. Kirk frustrates me also & I would love to keep him but the million dollar question will be his asking price against his production. I guess one could say him knowing the offense & being a favorite target of Kyler that trumps the money & will make him worth it? Again, time will tell?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

There are two AJ Greens and you never know which one you're gonna get