Shelton

[Mr.Dibbs]

From the East Valley Tribune:

The Cardinals and tackle L.J. Shelton remain in talks about a contract extension, although nothing is imminent. If the deal is done by Monday, however, the Cardinals can use a chunk of their $12 million in cap room to absorb any raise they gave Shelton this season. After Monday, the extra money would have to be spread out over the life of any subsequent deal in the form of a signing bonus. . . .

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Oran
From the East Valley Tribune:

The Cardinals and tackle L.J. Shelton remain in talks about a contract extension, although nothing is imminent. If the deal is done by Monday, however, the Cardinals can use a chunk of their $12 million in cap room to absorb any raise they gave Shelton this season. After Monday, the extra money would have to be spread out over the life of any subsequent deal in the form of a signing bonus. . . .

So basically...the "12mil"( I thought it was closer to 10)...can't be used to extend players after monday as so many have contended it would or could be used for. Another example of cap mismangement from this GM and owner. I hate being negative after a week of feel good but the extra one or two players that this money could have gotten us could have us in real playoff contention....why don't the Cardinals get this? Every other team seems to understand. I say at the least they should give a million or two to the Red Cross for the Cali fires...better Pr than keeping all there Scrooged McBidwill dollars in there bank...not like they couldn't use some good PR.......

 

[jon_nyaz]

Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Rats
So basically...the "12mil"( I thought it was closer to 10)...can't be used to extend players after monday as so many have contended it would or could be used for. Another example of cap mismangement from this GM and owner. I hate being negative after a week of feel good but the extra one or two players that this money could have gotten us could have us in real playoff contention....why don't the Cardinals get this? Every other team seems to understand. I say at the least they should give a million or two to the Red Cross for the Cali fires...better Pr than keeping all there Scrooged McBidwill dollars in there bank...not like they couldn't use some good PR.......

We have until Monday to sign him. I predict it will get done, not because I have any inside information, but simply because it is the right thing to do and I am ever so hopeful that the Cardinals will agree. Of course I am well aware that history suggests otherwise.

 

[Boobstr]

Im betting they will extend Damian Anderson before they get LJ signed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Oran
From the East Valley Tribune:

The Cardinals and tackle L.J. Shelton remain in talks about a contract extension, although nothing is imminent. If the deal is done by Monday, however, the Cardinals can use a chunk of their $12 million in cap room to absorb any raise they gave Shelton this season. After Monday, the extra money would have to be spread out over the life of any subsequent deal in the form of a signing bonus. . . .

okay - let's see some hands raised - who here knew about the Monday deadline? I didn't - 10 million under the cap - ugh.

 

[CardinalChris]

Same thing happened with Plummer. We have the extra Cap. We sign Shelton with say a 10 million dollar bonus. Instead of the bonus being evenly prorated over the length of his contract (we'll say 5 years) we cna eat up most of it on this years cap space so that non of SHelton's bonus will count in future years like normal. We can still sign him after that, we just can't use the cap space THIS year to eat the bonus.

I'm sure some or most of THompson's bonus is the same way.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by CardinalChris
Same thing happened with Plummer. We have the extra Cap. We sign Shelton with say a 10 million dollar bonus. Instead of the bonus being evenly prorated over the length of his contract (we'll say 5 years) we cna eat up most of it on this years cap space so that non of SHelton's bonus will count in future years like normal. We can still sign him after that, we just can't use the cap space THIS year to eat the bonus.

I'm sure some or most of THompson's bonus is the same way.

Plummer signed in December after the comeback against the Saints, so that's why his bonus was prorated out and killed us in regards to the cap for years.

I've never heard of this sort of deadline. If the Cardinals extend Shelton after Monday, that's really stupid IMO. It'd be better than letting him hit free agency, but if they really want him, they should get him signed at a point which would be best for the overall future of the team which would be by Monday. What happens with this is a decent barometer as to how important competing at a high level really is to this management.

 

[Skkorpion]

Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by cheesebeef
okay - let's see some hands raised - who here knew about the Monday deadline? I didn't - 10 million under the cap - ugh.

I did and I spent 15 minutes with Rod Graves yesterday talking about various contract extensions and free agency plans but none of it is for public consumption. And Shelton isn't the only deal in the works either.

I also know who won't be extended and why, But that isn't for public consumption either.

And for the record, neither Kent Somers nor Darren Urban got the info Rod gave me yesterday. I get it because he trusts me not to violate his confidences. The Cards do not negotiate in the papers or in cyberspace. How about just waiting to see what happens?

It's self-defeatist posts like Rats' that assumes incompetence and failure before it happens that disgust me daily.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion

I also know who won't be extended and why, But that isn't for public consumption either.

Why ya gotta tease us, man? You're like a girl who opens her blouse and then says "what are you looking at?"

I'm actually just jealous that I don't get top secret Cardinal information!!!!

 

[CardinalChris]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I did and I spent 15 minutes with Rod Graves yesterday talking about various contract extensions and free agency plans but none of it is for public consumption. And Shelton isn't the only deal in the works either.

I also know who won't be extended and why, But that isn't for public consumption either.

And for the record, neither Kent Somers nor Darren Urban got the info Rod gave me yesterday. I get it because he trusts me not to violate his confidences. The Cards do not negotiate in the papers or in cyberspace. How about just waiting to see what happens?

It's self-defeatist posts like Rats' that assumes incompetence and failure before it happens that disgust me daily.

MAN!!! Just don't bring it up then!!! That hurts me physically not to know!

 

[Skkorpion]

One more thing for those too busy bashing to figure it out.

It takes two to make a deal. If LJ doesn't sign by Monday, it will be because he wants to test the free agent market so any post-Monday signing is out of the question.

It's actually quite simple. If LJ wants out, he won't sign.

Shelton is sharp. Whatever he does will have carefully thought out. If we lose him, it will hurt very badly.

I think he's our best player.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I did and I spent 15 minutes with Rod Graves yesterday talking about various contract extensions and free agency plans but none of it is for public consumption. And Shelton isn't the only deal in the works either.

I also know who won't be extended and why, But that isn't for public consumption either.

And for the record, neither Kent Somers nor Darren Urban got the info Rod gave me yesterday. I get it because he trusts me not to violate his confidences. The Cards do not negotiate in the papers or in cyberspace. How about just waiting to see what happens?

It's self-defeatist posts like Rats' that assumes incompetence and failure before it happens that disgust me daily.

easy there Chief - I'm waiting to see what happens here - as far as Shelton not being the only deal in the works - I do assume his contract is going to be the largest and he is the most important free agent we have, so it would make sense that he would be the priority - especially money wise so his contract could be layed off signifcantly against this year's cap, rather than taking up space in the future - agree? I'll wait till Monday to speak my peace and hope Graves can get Shelton done - as far as Rats disgusting you - don't you think people have nay wiggle room to be pessimistic - after all Skkorp - we DON'T have the access you do - so when we hear nothing is imminent and the dealine is on Monday - what are we supposed to think?

 

[WizardOfAz]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I did and I spent 15 minutes with Rod Graves yesterday

Without violating any confidences Skkorp, what does your gut tell you about the Shelton situation?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
One more thing for those too busy bashing to figure it out.

It takes two to make a deal. If LJ doesn't sign by Monday, it will be because he wants to test the free agent market so any post-Monday signing is out of the question.

It's actually quite simple. If LJ wants out, he won't sign.

Shelton is sharp. Whatever he does will have carefully thought out. If we lose him, it will hurt very badly.

I think he's our best player.

Wiz - I may be way off base here - but something tells me ther is a lot in here about Skkorp's gut.

 

[Stout]

Good point, Cheese. I didn't know about the Monday deadline, but now that I do, I am worried. If it does indeed turn out that our big re-signings were Player and Thompson, and that we end this season with 10 million unused dollars, I will be more than disgusted. I will be more than outraged. Until then...wait and see.

And Skkorp, you simply cannot lay blame without question on L.J. if he doesn't sign by Monday. There can be several reasons why he does not. One is the reason you outlined, which is very possible. Another, just as possible, is that the offer the Cards give him isn't a good one, or isn't perceived as a good one. He may WANT to resign here, but it may not make sense. Not saying that's the case, just saying that your scenario isn't the be-all, end-all that you're making it out to be.

At any rate, this thread has me worried. Very worried. Rod can either gain great praise or earn my wrath depending on the next few days. We shall see.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Stout

At any rate, this thread has me worried. Very worried. Rod can either gain great praise or earn my wrath depending on the next few days. We shall see.

The house money's on wrath.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

It would seem to do wonders for our team if some of the core guys got new contracts. They might play harder, because they'll have long term stock in this team.

I've been saying that I don't think Shelton will resign, but I hope the Cardinals try their best. You don't want Graves to overpay the guy and then put us in a hole. I'm sure they'll make him a handsome offer, and we can always franchise him.

 

[Skkorpion]

Rod Graves is competent. It takes two to make a deal. Please stop assuming that the absence of deals is always Bidwill's fault.

This will all come out by Monday night.

In my opinion, if LJ Shelton decides to leave us, it will eventually snowball into a complete rebuilding - again. He is tough, smart, and good, and plays a critical position.

I'm not giving away any secrets when I say Rod Graves knows how important LJ is to this organization.

 

[Rats]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion
I did and I spent 15 minutes with Rod Graves yesterday talking about various contract extensions and free agency plans but none of it is for public consumption. And Shelton isn't the only deal in the works either.

I also know who won't be extended and why, But that isn't for public consumption either.

And for the record, neither Kent Somers nor Darren Urban got the info Rod gave me yesterday. I get it because he trusts me not to violate his confidences. The Cards do not negotiate in the papers or in cyberspace. How about just waiting to see what happens?

It's self-defeatist posts like Rats' that assumes incompetence and failure before it happens that disgust me daily.

What I posted may be for the trash bin Skorp but I will certainly stack up the Cardinals Incompetence and failure to use there cap this season and in past regimes as testiment of an organization that has no clue how the rest of the league figures out how to field a competitive team . We always get stuck with a second rate team and coach and a losing record that can't mask the incompetence of this organization. Until we win consistantly over several years this is what we have whether you would like to admit it or not. There is nothing self-defeatist about that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Rats
What I posted may be for the trash bin Skorp but I will certainly stack up the Cardinals Incompetence and failure to use there cap this season and in past regimes as testiment of an organization that has no clue how the rest of the league figures out how to field a competitive team . We always get stuck with a second rate team and coach and a losing record that can't mask the incompetence of this organization. Until we win consistantly over several years this is what we have whether you would like to admit it or not. There is nothing self-defeatist about that.

REVEREND!

 

[Wild Card]

Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Skkorpion
It's self-defeatist posts like Rats' that assumes incompetence and failure before it happens that disgust me daily.

Skkorp:

That seems a little harsh. I like to think that I'm pretty well-read, and understand the salary cap as well as most--who don't work for an NFL franchise, that is--but I wasn't clear that the Cardinals had to "use or lose" their remaining cap money before Monday 11/03.

After management's repeated requests for "patience" on personnel issues from their team's fans (e.g., wait until camp, wait until the June cuts, wait until the final cuts, wait until week two), I can understand Rats' and others' frustration that the Cards apparently are now left to commit about $10 million in payroll in the next 4-5 days.

You've got inside information that most/ all of us lack, and I'll take your word that Rod Graves has a plan to intelligently commit those unused dollars before the league deadline. But Graves hasn't left himself much margin for error, IMO. Sort of like the team he's put on the field this season.

WC

 

[Skkorpion]

Apologies to Rats. I'm as uptight as you guys are.

And Stout, I'm not laying blame on Shelton. For the record, whatever he does will be the best thing for him. He's got to take care of #1 first. This contract will be the biggest of his football life.

I too am worried. LJ is our best player and any time negotiations with our good players go to the brink it worries me.

 

[red desert]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Shelton

Originally posted by Rats
What I posted may be for the trash bin Skorp but I will certainly stack up the Cardinals Incompetence and failure to use there cap this season and in past regimes as testiment of an organization that has no clue how the rest of the league figures out how to field a competitive team . We always get stuck with a second rate team and coach and a losing record that can't mask the incompetence of this organization. Until we win consistantly over several years this is what we have whether you would like to admit it or not. There is nothing self-defeatist about that.

I agree with you. I certainly think Cards fans have reason to be pessimestic.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Apologies to Rats. I'm as uptight as you guys are.

And Stout, I'm not laying blame on Shelton. For the record, whatever he does will be the best thing for him. He's got to take care of #1 first. This contract will be the biggest of his football life.

I too am worried. LJ is our best player and any time negotiations with our good players go to the brink it worries me.

Skkorp -

You are scaring me. I don't want to lose LJ.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Apologies to Rats. I'm as uptight as you guys are.

And Stout, I'm not laying blame on Shelton. For the record, whatever he does will be the best thing for him. He's got to take care of #1 first. This contract will be the biggest of his football life.

I too am worried. LJ is our best player and any time negotiations with our good players go to the brink it worries me.

man, Skkorp - I really don't like the feeling I'm getting from your gut reading all these posts- you're making me more pessimistic by the minute- and when I get pessimistic, the wrath usually comes out - I'll save it up for when it's absolutely necessary though - come on Graves, Come on Bidwill - we have huge amounts of money under the cap right now - Overwhelm our best player at one of the most important positions on the field and make him realize that he can't get a better deal than what we're offering - show us the dedication - good organizations don't let their best players hit free agency - especially when they have told us countless times that the reason they kept so much cap space open was to resign our "core guys" - LJ is the core and THE KEY FA ON THE TEAM.