Seattle Mariners @ Arizona Diamondbacks Series Thread. 06/09/25-06/11/25

[Dback Jon]

Gurriel with 10th HR of the season

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Your entire premise is that when most are having a down year in a group, it is just a coincidence.

My premise is that the group is being instructed to do certain things and it is having a poor result. That exact premise is supported by another instance within the same franchise with the same coach.

Back then, basically Torey was absolved of it.

When a team is experiencing team failures it falls to:

Team members
Peer leadership
Direct management
Upper management
Senior Management

One or a combination of things is at fault here. Since most of it stayed the same outside of Direct Management, it seems like Direct Management

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well that’s an entirely different story dude! This debate started because a few posters here directly blamed Kaplan for the injuries.
If your issue is that the pitching staff is underperforming, THAT is a convo worth having!

Sorry I have been honking on Kaplan more about WHIP than injuries

 

[Devilmaycare]

Well that’s an entirely different story dude! This debate started because a few posters here directly blamed Kaplan for the injuries.
If your issue is that the pitching staff is underperforming, THAT is a convo worth having!

I believe most of us have been hitting harder on his pitching strategy than the injuries. One has to wonder if they're related though with how things have gone. It's not crazy to think that a pitching coach making adjustments to how they throw could be contributing to it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Your entire premise is that when most are having a down year in a group, it is just a coincidence.

My premise is that the group is being instructed to do certain things and it is having a poor result. That exact premise is supported by another instance within the same franchise with the same coach.

Back then, basically Torey was absolved of it.

When a team is experiencing team failures it falls to:

Team members
Peer leadership
Direct management
Upper management
Senior Management

One or a combination of things is at fault here. Since most of it stayed the same outside of Direct Management, it seems like Direct Management

I’m pretty certain I’ve never absolved Kaplan from the poor performance of the pitching staff.
And your list of factors for poor play is quite complete. Only thing I’ll add is that rarely, if ever is a single factor. Direct management could very well be an issue, however, the players themselves have to execute. They have generally failed to do so thus far this year.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I believe most of us have been hitting harder on his pitching strategy than the injuries. One has to wonder if they're related though with how things have gone. It's not crazy to think that a pitching coach making adjustments to how they throw could be contributing to it.

Ugh…more speculation with zero credibility. Is Kaplan introducing strategy? Of course. That’s kinda his job.
Is he mandating “what” to throw and “how fast” to throw? Again, complete fake news.

 

[Dback Jon]

Naylor with an RBI double

 

[82CardsGrad]

Pfaadt at 88 pitches. No outs top 6. How far should Torey let him go? He’s hasn’t exactly been sharp tonight…

 

[Devilmaycare]

I’m pretty certain I’ve never absolved Kaplan from the poor performance of the pitching staff.
And your list of factors for poor play is quite complete. Only thing I’ll add is that rarely, if ever is a single factor. Direct management could very well be an issue, however, the players themselves have to execute. They have generally failed to do so thus far this year.

Ugh…more speculation with zero credibility. Is Kaplan introducing strategy? Of course. That’s kinda his job.
Is he mandating “what” to throw and “how fast” to throw? Again, complete fake news.

I love these back to back. What exactly do you think the pitching coach does?

 

[82CardsGrad]

I love these back to back. What exactly do you think the pitching coach does?

Oh, I know quite well what a pitching coach does.
What do you think a pitching coach does? And, given the 181 other injured pitchers around the league thus far this year, exactly what do you think Kaplan is doing that all other pitching coaches aren’t doing?

 

[Bobster]

Pfaadt at 88 pitches. No outs top 6. How far should Torey let him go? He’s hasn’t exactly been sharp tonight…

Your answer is, no. As he allows a home run to lead off the 6th.

 

[Dback Jon]

And Torey leaves Brandon in for too long.

94 pitches. Zero outs in the 6th

 

[Bobster]

Now back-to-back homers.

Sometimes you just have the sense to know when it's a good time to pull your starter.

Pfaadt has had a good start after a series of rough ones, don't let this one go until it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Lovullo just doesn't seem to have that sense.

 

[Dback Jon]

A little late, Toron

 

[Dback Jon]

Now back-to-back homers.

Sometimes you just have the sense to know when it's a good time to pull your starter.

Pfaadt has had a good start after a series of rough ones, don't let this one go until it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Lovullo just doesn't seem to have that sense.

Nope. He’s clueless

 

[Bobster]

And fresh out of the bargin bin - Tayler Scott!

They are paying the price for not being able to develop enough pitching in their farm system.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I was fine with Torey leaving Pfaadt in after the one HR. We burned up the pen yesterday and trying to get 6 out of Pfaadt makes sense

 

[Devilmaycare]

Oh, I know quite well what a pitching coach does.
What do you think a pitching coach does? And, given the 181 other injured pitchers around the league thus far this year, exactly what do you think Kaplan is doing that all other pitching coaches aren’t doing?

Nice non-answer. I'm done with this with you.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And fresh out of the bargin bin - Tayler Scott!

They are paying the price for not being able to develop enough pitching in their farm system.

Looked not terrible. Will take it!

 

[krazy2k]

Now back-to-back homers.

Sometimes you just have the sense to know when it's a good time to pull your starter.

Pfaadt has had a good start after a series of rough ones, don't let this one go until it leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Lovullo just doesn't seem to have that sense.

Nope. SofTorey doesn't have that sense. Never did. Never will. As fans, we will just have to continue to endure head scratching moves that make no sense to anyone but SofTorey.

 

[Dback Jon]

I was fine with Torey leaving Pfaadt in after the one HR. We burned up the pen yesterday and trying to get 6 out of Pfaadt makes sense

Yes, I understand the reasoning for having him try to at least get a couple outs in the sixth.

But there should’ve been a reliever up and ready and he should’ve been pulled after that first home run

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I believe most of us have been hitting harder on his pitching strategy than the injuries. One has to wonder if they're related though with how things have gone. It's not crazy to think that a pitching coach making adjustments to how they throw could be contributing to it.

This is what I'm getting at. Dudes seem to like him, but maybe some of the techniques he's teaching aren't good for some of the arms. This is from an SI article in Spring Training. Burnes likes him and is receptive...and it does mention his increase in velocity.

As for someone's previous comment about Kelly...that dude is 36 and already uses 6 pitches well. He's not a high velocity pitcher.

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[Dback Jon]

And of course, higher velocity gives you more elbow strain

 

[82CardsGrad]

Nice non-answer. I'm done with this with you.

Ditto dude!

 

[Dback Jon]

Gabi!


We need those runs!

Really would like to get into double digits