Reuben Bain Jr.

[Fitz4Ever]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but after watching him dominate Ohio State last night...Reuben Bain seems like a legit option at #5....if he lasts that long. I wish there was an OT prospect that was head and shoulders above all the rest...but I see guys we could get in the 2nd round who could be a major upgrade at RT for us and have similar ceilings in the nfl.

When you are picking in the top 5...you can't get too cute. You draft an elite prospect at a position where it's hard to find elite talent....QB, OT, CB, Pass Rusher, WR....that's about it.

Unless one of the tackles establishes himself as head and shoulders the best in the class ...I think Bain just showed me enough to be my top choice.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but after watching him dominate Ohio State last night...Reuben Bain seems like a legit option at #5....if he lasts that long. I wish there was an OT prospect that was head and shoulders above all the rest...but I see guys we could get in the 2nd round who could be a major upgrade at RT for us and have similar ceilings in the nfl.

When you are picking in the top 5...you can't get too cute. You draft an elite prospect at a position where it's hard to find elite talent....QB, OT, CB, Pass Rusher, WR....that's about it.

Unless one of the tackles establishes himself as head and shoulders the best in the class ...I think Bain just showed me enough to be my top choice.

That’s why a good team will position themselves through free agency which allows them to draft the best player.

We all know we need o-line help. But you don’t just grab a RT with the number 5 pick if he is not the best available. Sign a couple of free agent lineman and then draft Bain or a qb or Love.

 

[oaken1]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but after watching him dominate Ohio State last night...Reuben Bain seems like a legit option at #5....if he lasts that long. I wish there was an OT prospect that was head and shoulders above all the rest...but I see guys we could get in the 2nd round who could be a major upgrade at RT for us and have similar ceilings in the nfl.

When you are picking in the top 5...you can't get too cute. You draft an elite prospect at a position where it's hard to find elite talent....QB, OT, CB, Pass Rusher, WR....that's about it.

Unless one of the tackles establishes himself as head and shoulders the best in the class ...I think Bain just showed me enough to be my top choice.

you also dont draft a RT in the top 5...the only benefit we get from that is a little leverage in negotiating against PJJ's desire to be the first $40mil a year LT...because in the top 5 you draft left tackles...
but if we use that leverage and keep PJJ,..we will just lose this guy at the end of his deal...not to mention the fact that he will see it as us ruining his career by making him play RT his first five years in the league...it will cost him millions...dude will hate us.

a top notch future all pro/pro bowl RT should be drafted from 18 to 45 ish IMHO...maybe 12 to 28 if the need is there and he is exceptional... but never top 5

 

[WisconsinCard]

you also dont draft a RT in the top 5...the only benefit we get from that is a little leverage in negotiating against PJJ's desire to be the first $40mil a year LT...because in the top 5 you draft left tackles...
but if we use that leverage and keep PJJ,..we will just lose this guy at the end of his deal...not to mention the fact that he will see it as us ruining his career by making him play RT his first five years in the league...it will cost him millions...dude will hate us.

a top notch future all pro/pro bowl RT should be drafted from 18 to 45 ish IMHO...maybe 12 to 28 if the need is there and he is exceptional... but never top 5

I think this is "old school" thinking. I believe right tackle pay has gone up quite a bit with pass rushers moving around more.

 

[oaken1]

I think this is "old school" thinking. I believe right tackle pay has gone up quite a bit with pass rushers moving around more.

That's true. But, many in the league still believe in positional value in the draft and LT is more valuable than RT simple fact.

Pass rushers move around, yes...so you can no longer have pure run blockers on the right side like the old days.
But a pass rusher beating your RT is not as dangerous as that same pass rusher beating your LT
Unless you have a left handed QB.
It's the blindside...
Blindsided hits not only result in more QB injuries than hits the QB sees coming...but they also result in fumbles at like a 5/1 ratio over hits from the right.
So you not only have a stalled drive and a concussed QB...but you give a free possession to your opponent....lose a lot of games when that happens a lot.

People say LT...but that's just because most QB'S are right handed

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but after watching him dominate Ohio State last night...Reuben Bain seems like a legit option at #5....if he lasts that long. I wish there was an OT prospect that was head and shoulders above all the rest...but I see guys we could get in the 2nd round who could be a major upgrade at RT for us and have similar ceilings in the nfl.

When you are picking in the top 5...you can't get too cute. You draft an elite prospect at a position where it's hard to find elite talent....QB, OT, CB, Pass Rusher, WR....that's about it.

Unless one of the tackles establishes himself as head and shoulders the best in the class ...I think Bain just showed me enough to be my top choice.

I really like Fano as OT. He is the only one I think would be worth #5. He has a full season of starts at both RT and LT and dominated at both positions.

If not, Bain and Bailey are both terrific prospects as well. Our DLine still obviously needs help especially if we have to worry about Nolen's health going forward.

Personally, if we don't get Mendoza I really hope we pass on QB with our top pick. It's too important to hit our first pick to get an actual great player to roll the dice on these other QBs.

Of course I thought we hit home runs with Simmons and MHJ, so what do I really know?

 

[Chopper0080]

It’s early but idk that Bain or Reese are better than Bailey.

 

[Russ Smith]

It’s early but idk that Bain or Reese are better than Bailey.

Bailey is about 25 pounds lighter than Bain that's the primary difference. Both are good. Reese can play too but he kind of looks like a reach because before this season he'd only played 1 year and had 1/2 sack the whole year. If you're drafting him to get to the QB it's off 1 year and 6 1/2 sacks this year. He's NOT an ILB that's for sure if he's playing for us it's in the spot that Sweat and Browning play in.

 

[KYCardFan]

Bain has short arms but a serious outside lean, he could be a menace on edge

 

[Russ Smith]

Bain has short arms but a serious outside lean, he could be a menace on edge

I know it's a thing but they said the same thing about Nolen pre draft last year. He's probably not going to run an elite 40 either

He's a 3 down guy he plays the run and the pass. Bailey and Reese are likely to run faster than Bain, but neither of them is as good against the run

 

[Fitz4Ever]

If Mendoza falls to 5 ..I would be fine taking him. I think he is gonna be good in the nfl. He gets really high praise for his preparation.

If he gone .. which I think he will be...I'm seriously considering a trade down, but it has to include a first round pick next year. If we are planning to draft a QB in 2027 fine...but there is no way to know if we will be picking high enough to get who we want without a trade up. Having multiple first round picks next year would make it a lot easier to get the QB we want. If we trade down...I'm taking best O lineman available later in the first round

If we don't end up with either of those scenarios....then at #5 I'm taking Bain, Faulk, or Fano...in that order.

 

[Chopper0080]

Bailey is about 25 pounds lighter than Bain that's the primary difference. Both are good. Reese can play too but he kind of looks like a reach because before this season he'd only played 1 year and had 1/2 sack the whole year. If you're drafting him to get to the QB it's off 1 year and 6 1/2 sacks this year. He's NOT an ILB that's for sure if he's playing for us it's in the spot that Sweat and Browning play in.

Bailey is the best pass rusher of the group. Again, draft production not just traits on the edge.

 

[WisconsinCard]

If Mendoza falls to 5 ..I would be fine taking him. I think he is gonna be good in the nfl. He gets really high praise for his preparation.

If he gone .. which I think he will be...I'm seriously considering a trade down, but it has to include a first round pick next year. If we are planning to draft a QB in 2027 fine...but there is no way to know if we will be picking high enough to get who we want without a trade up. Having multiple first round picks next year would make it a lot easier to get the QB we want. If we trade down...I'm taking best O lineman available later in the first round

If we don't end up with either of those scenarios....then at #5 I'm taking Bain, Faulk, or Fano...in that order.

He's going number 1 overall. Someone will sell the farm to get to one to pick him. That said he remind me of the 44 year old that just retired again Phillip Rivers. Even his throwing motion is similar. Not the way you would teach someone to throw a football but it works.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Mendoza falls to 5 ..I would be fine taking him. I think he is gonna be good in the nfl. He gets really high praise for his preparation.

If he gone .. which I think he will be...I'm seriously considering a trade down, but it has to include a first round pick next year. If we are planning to draft a QB in 2027 fine...but there is no way to know if we will be picking high enough to get who we want without a trade up. Having multiple first round picks next year would make it a lot easier to get the QB we want. If we trade down...I'm taking best O lineman available later in the first round

If we don't end up with either of those scenarios....then at #5 I'm taking Bain, Faulk, or Fano...in that order.

Big disagree on Faulk and Fano

 

[Russ Smith]

Bailey is the best pass rusher of the group. Again, draft production not just traits on the edge.

not saying Bailey isn't good he is, but he is a different guy, he's smaller, he's faster. He may be a better pass rusher I don't know he had more sacks this year but Bain's a significantly better run defender. Bailey at Stanford wasn't considered a first round pick by most, this year he changed that so maybe he's a riser.

Bain has played 3 years, 7.5 sacks, 8.5 sacks, 8.5 so far this year. He's been a projected 1st round pick since he walked on campus.

They're both very good, right now most people have Bain higher, that could change by the draft.

 

[Russ Smith]

Big disagree on Faulk and Fano

yeah Faulk is the classic guy who looks like a star but hasn't been a star. 7 sacks last year 2 this year. he's tall and long and fast but so far it hasn't translated to big performance.

 

[GatorAZ]

yeah Faulk is the classic guy who looks like a star but hasn't been a star. 7 sacks last year 2 this year. he's tall and long and fast but so far it hasn't translated to big performance.

Faulk will still be 20 when he plays his first NFL game. He’s two years younger than Bailey. The difference between picking 4th or 7th is big.

 

[Chopper0080]

I know it's a thing but they said the same thing about Nolen pre draft last year. He's probably not going to run an elite 40 either

He's a 3 down guy he plays the run and the pass. Bailey and Reese are likely to run faster than Bain, but neither of them is as good against the run

Bailey had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, 1 sack and 2 passes deflected today. Dude is an animal in every facet. Like 18.5 tfls this season

 

[Russ Smith]

Bailey had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, 1 sack and 2 passes deflected today. Dude is an animal in every facet. Like 18.5 tfls this season

Like I said they're both good. Bain is better against the run IMO because he's much stronger.

I'd be fine with either guy. I prefer Bain

 

[Russ Smith]

Faulk will still be 20 when he plays his first NFL game. He’s two years younger than Bailey. The difference between picking 4th or 7th is big.

Yeah I just see a tall big and fast kid that has no idea what he's doing but is tall and fast enough to be a good college player but will need time to become a good pro player. Bain would walk right in and be able to play, Bailey likely too.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Bailey had 9 tackles, 2 tfls, 1 sack and 2 passes deflected today. Dude is an animal in every facet. Like 18.5 tfls this season

He's listed as a mid First right now, but I'm guessing he'll move up the boards a bit.

 

[Russ Smith]

He's listed as a mid First right now, but I'm guessing he'll move up the boards a bit.

fWIW Mel Kiper has him ahead of Bain but behind Reese IIRC. Reese is a 1 year wonder, he's athletic for sure but it's mainly his projected 40 time that has him so high. Bailey is faster than Bain but not as fast as Reese.

 

[Chopper0080]

Faulk will still be 20 when he plays his first NFL game. He’s two years younger than Bailey. The difference between picking 4th or 7th is big.

6'6 285 is just an odd body type. Honestly, it reminds me of Keion White and Darius Robinson in terms of being tough to project where the best fit is. I think Nolen makes a smaller DL less viable. Even more so if DRob can stick but that is still tbd. Maybe when combine measurements and numbers come out he will look more natural at one spot or the other.

He isn't a bad player, just to be clear. Just not the best fit for AZ.

 

[Chopper0080]

@Russ Smith I am curious to see what the official weights are for these edge guys.

 

[Harry]

If you want Bain the Cards either trade with the Giants (unlikely) or the Giants and Titans win. I can’t seriously imagine either of them passing on Bain, even for Reese despite all those mocks out there. This assumes the Jets & Raiders go QB. If Moore goes back to school that’s unlikely.