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He's 12th all time in receiving yards.

Any player in the top 20 at their position is at least a borderline hall of famer.

Typical, Kerouac myopia.
Three pro bowls. Zero all pro teams. Zero all-decade teams. How will we be able to tell the story of the NFL from 2013 to 2023 without discussing the third- or fourth-best TE in any season?

Preposterous.
 

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Disagree. McBride’s best year already eclipses all of Dalton’s but one & that’s with most of the attention on McBride.
I mean...I guess you can view it this way.

Who has had more productive years? Schultz (4 of 6 over 550 yards and 4+ TDs) vs McBride (1 of 2 over 550 yards and zero 4+ TDs)

Who has the most productive year? McBride by about 20 yards but 5 less TDs.

I haven't said that McBride can't develop into one of the best TEs in the NFL, but I don't believe one season puts him there yet. Schultz is a very good TE and is the 10th highest paid TE in the NFL (soon to be 9th once Waller is off the books). I think this is a very good tier to be in for a guy whose other season was a line of 29 265 1.

I am just a person who needs to see another season of similar success to elevate McBride above TEs who have been very productive over 3, 4 or 5 seasons.
 

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I am just a person who needs to see another season of similar success to elevate McBride above TEs who have been very productive over 3, 4 or 5 seasons.

Not me. I've already gone all in on McBride.

I already had McBride in a bunch of my Dynasty FFLs where I picked him up fairly cheap prior to the 2023 season. In one of the Dynasty leagues that I didn't own him, I recently made a pretty big trade to secure him. I now own him in 4 out of 5 of my Dynasty leagues. So yeah, I'm betting pretty big on McBride already.
 

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Not me. I've already gone all in on McBride.

I already had McBride in a bunch of my Dynasty FFLs where I picked him up fairly cheap prior to the 2023 season. In one of the Dynasty leagues that I didn't own him, I recently made a pretty big trade to secure him. I now own him in 4 out of 5 of my Dynasty leagues. So yeah, I'm betting pretty big on McBride already.
Well, in fantasy it is better to be ahead of the curve than behind it so I don't disagree with your approach. But in the same breath, you wouldn't pay or draft McBride in the ranges of the top TEs either this year. I can't see people drafting him over LaPorta, Kittle, Kelce, Hock, and probably Andrews nor spending as much on his as those players in auction. McBride will likely be somewhere in the Njoku, Pitts, Kincaid, Schultz, Goedert, and Engram group.
 

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Well, in fantasy it is better to be ahead of the curve than behind it so I don't disagree with your approach. But in the same breath, you wouldn't pay or draft McBride in the ranges of the top TEs either this year. I can't see people drafting him over LaPorta, Kittle, Kelce, Hock, and probably Andrews nor spending as much on his as those players in auction. McBride will likely be somewhere in the Njoku, Pitts, Kincaid, Schultz, Goedert, and Engram group.

With my Dynasty teams I'm making the long term bet on McBride becoming a top 5 TE for my team hopefully for the next decade. I've already done a bunch of Best Ball drafts for 2024 and McBride is currently listed as the #3 TE behind #1 LaPorta and #2 Kelce.
 

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I mean...I guess you can view it this way.

Who has had more productive years? Schultz (4 of 6 over 550 yards and 4+ TDs) vs McBride (1 of 2 over 550 yards and zero 4+ TDs)

Who has the most productive year? McBride by about 20 yards but 5 less TDs.

I haven't said that McBride can't develop into one of the best TEs in the NFL, but I don't believe one season puts him there yet. Schultz is a very good TE and is the 10th highest paid TE in the NFL (soon to be 9th once Waller is off the books). I think this is a very good tier to be in for a guy whose other season was a line of 29 265 1.

I am just a person who needs to see another season of similar success to elevate McBride above TEs who have been very productive over 3, 4 or 5 seasons.
I'd argue that there was a ton of meat left on the bone for McBride last year.

Ertz stole a bunch of touches from him last year.
 

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I mean, Kyler Murray was OROY and made the Pro Bowl his next two seasons. But that's probably just typical k9 myopia.
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Where did Kyler sit on this eval his first two years?
Where does McBride sit?
 
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Just wondering if everyone saw Kyler shooting threes at a Dallas game? He looked VG, and then you throw in being drafted in the 1st round (MLB), I think it's fair to say that he's the top athlete (all sports) playing NFL FB.
 

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Just wondering if everyone saw Kyler shooting threes at a Dallas game? He looked VG, and then you throw in being drafted in the 1st round (MLB), I think it's fair to say that he's the top athlete (all sports) playing NFL FB.
Danny Ainge bombed threes ... Was he a great athlete too?
 

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Where did Kyler sit on this eval his first two years?
Where does McBride sit?

You're asking a separate question from the comment I responded to. Kyler was probably ahead of schedule his second season; it's not really his fault that Calvisi was putting him on MVP watch in the preseason.

People are overinvested in four really good games by McBride -- a guy I like a lot. Kyler was probably closer to being a top five player at his position after his second season than McBride is. McBride couldn't beat out Zach Ertz for playing time going into that year.

Both probably exceeded expectations.

Just wondering if everyone saw Kyler shooting threes at a Dallas game? He looked VG, and then you throw in being drafted in the 1st round (MLB), I think it's fair to say that he's the top athlete (all sports) playing NFL FB.

BuT c@n H3 DuNk???
 

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Did DA excell in two sports? And Kyler's 3rd best also looked pretty good.
Ainge was a high school all American in baseball, football, and basketball...then played three years in MLB for the Toronto Bluejays before deciding to play basketball instead. He wasn't just drafted by a MLB team ...he played for three years.
But did that make him an elite athlete? Or just a really good player?
 

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It is a little shocking how bad AZ still is at DL, EDGE, CB, and WR in year 2. They are counting on a lot of young players to make a big impact which is a risky proposition.
Im still surprised the front office was content with no real challenge to Michael Wilson as WR#2. Not that Wilson cant be great, but a legit threat he has to fight off for snaps.
 

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Zay Jones is fine for a year.
Dortch and Zay may both be gone after this year. We don't know if Wilson will hold up or be anything more than a 3.

Instead of solidifying the position we could still be saying we need another WR next year.

And if we're going for vets near 30 "for a year" then we could have really invested into the position to help bolster the position for Kyler. Not get a guy the Jags brought in 3 guys to get rid of.
 

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