Q

[F-Dog]

We don't even need to promise him that. If we don't renounce him but sign him to 1mil for one year, we'd still have his Bird right. Besides, given the Morning desaster nobody is gonna give him the MLE this year. So, he gotta prove himself one full season that he is still healthy and worth the money. Where is it better to do so than with the Suns in the current constellation?

The Suns need to renounce McDyess to sign any free agents. With McDyess' Bird Rights, the Suns have less cap space than the MLE.

They're already kicking around an MLE offer for McDyess in Detroit. That seems like an even better place for McDyess to show his value, too.

 

[cly2tw]

Not sure if this is intentional hardball, but the Colangelo's are playing some pretty good poker.

Yup, it's fun pondering over all the angles in it, isn't it? Anyway, with this signing, we can't lose!

 

[slinslin]

Can we do that?

Sure we can promise him that but we can't officially say it or write it in his contract.
Minnesota only got punished for Joe Smith because they wrote it in his contract I think.

 

[cly2tw]

The Suns need to renounce McDyess to sign any free agents. With McDyess' Bird Rights, the Suns have less cap space than the MLE.

They're already kicking around an MLE offer for McDyess in Detroit. That seems like an even better place for McDyess to show his value, too.

If the latter is the case, we have no chance to sign him anyway. Only in case he is willing to stay, we can sign him to 1 mil right before we sign any other FA, namely Nash and Q, and keep his bird right this way, right?

 

[devilalum]

I hope he's just the next in a long line of Clippers that leaves LA and elevates his game to the next level.

If this signing goes through the Suns will be deep and athletic.

Amare
JJ
Marion
Nash
Barbosa
Voskuhl
Q

and maybe even Vroman are all high energy guys with non-stop motors.

Hopefully Zarko and Lampe will make considerable contributions this year as well.

I guess Casey and Eisley round out the roster?

 

[Suns_fan69]

Im really on the fence with this move. Having not seen Q play a great deal, it's hard for me to get excited about him but I do like the fact that he's young, athletic, and can play down low(according to you guys). With Amare our only real low post option at this point, it'd be interesting to see Q down in there when Amare's on the bench. With Voshkul on the highpost and Zarko or Marion on the wing with Nash feeding Q down low, I think our half court offense will be more than adequate with Amare on the bench.

Another option I like is the big lineup of

1 - JJ
2 - Q
3 - Zarko or Marion
4 - Amare
5 - Lampe

Basically Amare with a bunch of tall wingmen that can shoot and slash.

That being said, I'm not sure how I like the price we had to pay for him. It's easier to swallow Nash's contract because he is a proven commodity but with Q it seems to be more of a gamble that his game will grow.

Maybe I need to get a better handle of Q's game before I pass judgement.

 

[F-Dog]

If the latter is the case, we have no chance to sign him anyway. Only in case he is willing to stay, we can sign him to 1 mil right before we sign any other FA, namely Nash and Q, and keep his bird right this way, right?

I'm not sure.

My guess is that the Suns have to renounce McDyess to be able to afford Nash and Q-Rich--that the only cap space they aren't using on these contracts is the 'cap hold', and the vet's minimum is more than that.


It doesn't make a difference either way, though. McDyess is gone.

I hope he signs with Denver.

 

[Suns_fan69]

The guy that is probably most worried about this is probably Casey. With Q on board there just isn't enough minutes to go around for him.

It's unfortunate to because I had high hopes that Casey could turn into a servicable role player/6th man.

 

[Chaz]

Wow, I am still a little stunned.

I really like Q as a player but I am a little confused as to how he fits into the Suns plans. The Suns needed some scoring off the bench last season (Zarko and Casey did not get it done) but are we really paying this much for a bench player?

This makes the backcourt a little crowded. Minutes was something that were put heavly on JJ and Marion last season. Q will allow them to get a little more rest. Also there are questions as to how many minutes Nash will be expected to play.

 

[cly2tw]

Ricky Davis, Bonzi Wells, Jason Richardson, and Redd and the other guy with Bucks are the same kind of dynamic scorer like Q. I like Q slightly better than all the others. He'll be as good as Pierce soon, in a good team environment such like the Suns.

 

[scotsman13]

guys this move doesnt make sense if we stand at with this line up. we are very short on big men and strongly overstocked in the backcourt.

at point guard the suns start nash and bring barbs of the bench. they feel that barbs is a combo guard. that means that he can play both spots. so you are looking for about 32 min a game out of nash at the point and 16 from barbs at point. also we have eisley. lets face fact here he is grossly over paid and not even useful on this team. if there is a worry about nash's health you bring in a min player as a back up point not a 6 million dollar player. also jj can play the point.

at shooting guard we have jj as a starter who is a better all round player then q and younger then q. next we have q who has been talked about in this thread. then barbs and/or cj.

at small forward we have marion. backed up by zarko (if he gets his act together). also casey and jj can play here. Q isnt a good choose here because of his size at only 6'5".

all in all, we are overstocked on wingplayers. also contract that are coming up in jj and amare in the next 2 years means that we may end up be way over the cap.

while up front in bigs we have amare, jake, lampe, and vroman. 2 of those guys are very raw and the 3rd is a good blue coller work but after that we are very light. zarko maybe able to spend some time at power forward but 1 injury to one of these guys could hurt us big time.

i dont know what will happen but personally i like the idea of nene as a center.

 

[slinslin]

Richardson is 6'6 1/2 in shoes with very long arms.

 

[elindholm]

1 - JJ
2 - Q
3 - Zarko or Marion
4 - Amare
5 - Lampe

Didn't the Suns just agree to spend $66 million on a true point guard?

 

[sunsfn]

What the H....... is going on?
The suns give big bucks to a guy they do not need.....?

They have to have a trade in mind because there is not minutes for Richardson.
Nash, JJ, Marion, Amare,,,,,,,,,where does he play?

Nash & Amare are not going anywhere, and the suns did not want to trade JJ because it is obvious they think he is going to be an excellent player, so that leaves Marion, our favorite whipping boy.

When they signed Nash I thought with Amare, JJ, & Marion they had a great fit to run or play half court, now I do not know what they are doing unless they are going to make a trade.

It has to be trade Marion, move JJ to sf, and play Richardson at sg.
I do not think they will sign a player and then trade him right away.

I really was hoping they would quit trading away their players and build a team with the excellent parts they already had. They suns stated they were going to build with the players they had, and now, who knows.....

I am not at all happy with Richardson. I have always thought he was a loose cannon and I can tell you he does not play defense anywhere close to JJ.
I watch a lot of basketball, and JJ is a much better team player and defender than Richardson.
Those of you that think Richardson is a good defender are not watching the game very close or are just talking to be talking.

 

[slinslin]

1 - JJ
2 - Q
3 - Zarko or Marion
4 - Amare
5 - Lampe

Didn't the Suns just agree to spend $66 million on a true point guard?

Nash won't play 48 minutes. That lineup would be at the expense of Barbosa.

 

[Chaz]

1 - JJ
2 - Q
3 - Zarko or Marion
4 - Amare
5 - Lampe

Didn't the Suns just agree to spend $66 million on a true point guard?

That is kind of what I was thinking.

Q will provide some scoring when JJ or Marion go to the bench, Just like McDyess would do when Amare goes to the bench. Our second unit was horrible last year. They had no one to score and had to play the starters 40+ minutes.

Again I don't know how Q is a bench player for the reported salary.

 

[elindholm]

It has to be trade Marion, move JJ to sf, and play Richardson at sg.

I think so too.

But remember, this all assumes the Clippers don't match. They have until the end of July to figure out whether Bryant is going to jump ship. If Bryant makes it 90+% clear that he's staying with the Lakers, the Clippers will probably keep Richardson.

 

[cly2tw]

It has to be trade Marion, move JJ to sf, and play Richardson at sg.

I think so too.

But remember, this all assumes the Clippers don't match. They have until the end of July to figure out whether Bryant is going to jump ship. If Bryant makes it 90+% clear that he's staying with the Lakers, the Clippers will probably keep Richardson.

14 days from today is 7/21. Why "end of july"?

 

[slinslin]

Because he won't sign until July 14th.

 

[Evil Ash]

14 days from today is 7/21. Why "end of july"?

He technically can't sign until FA signing period begins (July 14) and the 14 days start from that point

 

[elindholm]

Here's another thought:

Maybe this is Johnson's audition year to see how he handles pressure. The Suns will keep all three wing players and see how Johnson responds. If he keeps playing well, they trade him mid-season when his value is high. If he goes into a shell again, they just let him go at the end of the year, having already secured his replacement.

 

[Evil Ash]

Here's another thought:

Maybe this is Johnson's audition year to see how he handles pressure. The Suns will keep all three wing players and see how Johnson responds. If he keeps playing well, they trade him mid-season when his value is high. If he goes into a shell again, they just let him go at the end of the year, having already secured his replacement.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Although I like JJ, he only played well for a 2 month span. He has yet to prove his consistency.

So we have his replacement if he doesn't do that well and we could still trade for a Center next year or try to get one for the MLE.

 

[slinslin]

Joe Johnson and Chicagos pick for Samuel Dalembert and John Salmons? Works under the cap.

If Philly gets Blount...

 

[coloradosun]

I think it has to be Marion instead of JJ, Philly will want to unload some bad contracts. I prefer to get Kenny Thomas but Robinson could add some offense off the bench. I really see them wanting Rasheed and Marion would be a better fit in that lineup, remember AI is really their shooting guard.

Snow
AI
Marion
Sheed
Blount

That's pretty impressive.

Or as a backup plan

Jacobsen
Vujanic
Voskuhl

for

Marc Jackson

 

[slinslin]

I think it has to be Marion instead of JJ, Philly will want to unload some bad contracts. I prefer to get Kenny Thomas but Robinson could add some offense off the bench. I really see them wanting Rasheed and Marion would be a better fit in that lineup, remember AI is really their shooting guard.

Snow
AI
Marion
Sheed
Blount

That's pretty impressive.

Or as a backup plan

Jacobsen
Vujanic
Voskuhl

for

Marc Jackson

How is Philly going to get Sheed and Blount?!?! And how does it help us trading Voshkul for Marc Jackson!?!?