PHI 34 AZ 7: How? Why? What Next?

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Last week it seemed odd that BA told the team that the SF game would go down to the wire and that if the Cardinals could prevail, they could discover their identity and build on their winning ways.

It was a curious psychology to employ for a veteran team to use in preparation for a home game against an 0-3 team. Typically, one would expect the mentality and expectations would have been to win the game by a significant margin. Was this psychology a reflection of how low BA's expectations have become of the team?

Perhaps telling the team the game would come down to the wire was a shrewd strategy by BA in the event that the game did go down to the wire.

The answer to the question would be in how well the Cardinals perform in Philly. BA predicted the team would build on whatever it was that helped them beat the 49ers.

Thus, yesterday's answer was 100% clear that the Cardinals did not build on anything they learned versus the 49ers.

BA's messages and psychologies are falling on deaf ears.

Since the 2015 NFC Championship game the Cardinals show up only when they want to. They don't build on much of anything.

Why?

Yesterday, like many road games over the past 21 games, the Cardinals in the first half ran at half speed like an NBA team in the first half of January games. The problem is -- unlike what happens in the NBA in January---no one told the Eagles to do the same.

Yesterday, even though the Cardinals lost the coin toss, not too long ago some teams would be loath to give BA the ball the start the game, knowing this is exactly what BA wants...now it's pretty much a given that teams are quick to defer. They know from their film studies that the Cardinals come out of the gate looking like a Clydesdale stuck in the chute at the Kentucky Derby. They also know that without Todd Bowles, the Cardinals' defense is as soft as Cheese Whiz coming out of the tunnel at half-time.

It's no wonder why Cardinals' fans are becoming disillusioned with this team...it's like paying for the same B movie over and over again, because the script from week to week is virtually the same.

Yesterday's script...

1. Run kickoff out to the 18 yard line. Mistake #1.
2. 1st down here comes the 3 TE set. Run Chris Johnson to right---1 yard.
3. 2nd down---incomplete 5 yard out pass to Fitzgerald
4. 3rd and 9---5 yard skinny post to J.J. Nelson, ball jarred loose. Would have never had a chance for the 1st down anyway.
5. Punt nearly blocked---Kenyon Barner breaks 4 tackles for a 20 yard return (Eagles start at own 46)
6. Eagles 3rd and 5---Dansby (Bucannon and Jones) neutral zone infraction---1st and 10 Eagles
7. Wentz sacked by Jones back to the 46 yard line---3rd and 11
8. Wentz skinny post to Zach Ertz---12 yards 1st down. Branch on coverage.
9. 3rd and 11 again---skinny post to Alshon Jeffery (Peterson whiffed badly on press) 14 yards---tackled by Baker
10. Eagles TD Wentz to TE Trey Burton on fade pass 15 yards. Burton blows right past LB Deone Bucannon.
11. Jake Elliott XPT---Peterson on left edge does not even rush the kick. Same as versus 49ers.

Next Series:

  • (8:19 - 1st) J.Elliott kicks 65 yards from PHI 35 to ARZ 0. K.Williams to ARZ 21 for 21 yards (C.Maragos; P.Robinson).

  • 1st and 10 at ARI 21
    (8:13 - 1st) (Shotgun) C.Palmer pass incomplete short middle to L.Fitzgerald (M.Jenkins).

  • 2nd and 10 at ARI 21
    (8:09 - 1st) (Shotgun) J.Nelson right end to ARZ 35 for 14 yards (N.Bradham).

  • 1st and 10 at ARI 35
    (7:31 - 1st) C.Johnson left end to ARZ 36 for 1 yard (V.Curry).

  • 2nd and 9 at ARI 36
    (6:54 - 1st) (Shotgun) C.Palmer sacked at ARZ 29 for -7 yards (B.Graham).

  • 3rd and 16 at ARI 29
    (6:14 - 1st) (Shotgun) C.Palmer pass short right to E.Penny to ARZ 35 for 6 yards (J.Hicks; N.Bradham).

  • 4th and 10 at ARI 35
    (5:44 - 1st) A.Lee punts 56 yards to PHI 9, Center-A.Brewer. K.Barner to ARZ 15 for 76 yards (B.Golden). ARZ-A.Brewer was injured during the play. He is Out.
    • 1st and 10 at ARI 15
      (5:22 - 1st) L.Blount left end to ARZ 15 for no gain (C.Peters).

    • 2nd and 10 at ARI 15
      (4:39 - 1st) (Shotgun) K.Barner up the middle to ARZ 11 for 4 yards (D.Bucannon).

    • 3rd and 6 at ARI 11
      (3:52 - 1st) Zach Ertz 11 Yd TD pass from Carson Wentz (Jake Elliott Kick)

      When the Cardinals finally mount a drive and score on Palmer's TD pass to John Brown, the score is 21-7. They get the ball back and drive within FG range, but the punt is blocked (slow snap and no block on Patrick Robinson).

      2nd Half:

      Again we hear that BA believes the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half will set the tempo for the rest of the game: "We need a defensive stop and and TD and we are right back in the game."

      The Eagles march 57 yards on 11 plays taking 5:42 off the clock.

      36 yard FG attempt by Elliott. Having watched the Eagles block the last FG attempt one would think that Patrick Peterson would be hung-ho to retaliate---except---again---he does not even rush the kick.

      Disturbing Trends:

      * Getting dropped in the backfield on running plays. No FB to take out 1st penetration.
      * Passing check downs well under the sticks on 3rd and longs ending 5 potential drives.
      * Eagles getting pressure on P Andy Lee, Cardinals none at all on Donnie Jones.
      * Eagles fired up on STs...Cardinals sleepwalking.
      * Arians screaming at Bettcher to blitz on 3rd and 19 (just as BA did on the Aaron Rodgers hail mary in the 2015 playoffs)...and getting torched for a long TD to Agholor, one on one on Budda Baker.
      * Poor deep safety play all day (save the superb interception by Bethea).
      * Poor zone coverage---especially once again by Karlos Dansby who, for some strange reason, is going opposite of where receivers are heading through his zone.
      * Giving up easy completions on 3rd downs. 7/8 conversions to start the game.
      * OL getting whipped in pass pro with little to no help from coaches.
      * Palmer throwing up 3-4 passes for grabs, saved this week by WRs becoming DBs.
      * A general sense of lethargy and a total and complete lack of urgency.

      The Peterson Tirade:

      Way too little---too late. By the time he decided to go off on DB coach Kevin Ross the game was a blowout. Plus, in my opinion, Peterson represents part of what's wrong with the Cardinals. He is world-class athlete who is exceptional at the things he likes or wants to do---but highly remiss and glaringly conspicuous in the things he does not want or like to do. Patrick Peterson is a "me first" player. He's not a leader. He is still the most talented punt returner on the planet --- but he no longer relishes that role. He is still the most talented FG rusher --- a role he no longer relishes. In my opinion, the Cardinals will never win a championship unless Peterson changes his mentality. if he flips that switch --- look out. Otherwise, it will be the same old same old, because this is what the team does just like Peterson -- it does only what it wants to do, and it tries only when it wants to try.

      Peterson needs a coach who will push him beyond his comfort zone the way Todd Haley did with Larry Fitzgerald. That coach for Peterson is not currently on the Cardinals' coaching staff, as these coaches enable and coddle him.

      Peterson is also one of the reasons why the Honey Badger has lost his drive. It's not like the Honey Badger has forgotten how to tackle. When he sees Pat P. saving himself...why not so the same?

      Look at Deone Bucannon and Karlos Dansby yesterday...anyone get the impression they wanted to man up and make tackles? Both were brutally bad.

      Let me ask all of you. Who are the real leaders on this team? Who are they? That's what can happen when a narcissistic head coach becomes the only alpha in the room...and by design, he likes it that way.

      Arians' Rule:

      We are continuing to see the consequences of Arians' decisions to appoint Harold Goodwin, James Bettcher and Amos Jones as his three coordinators. All 3 of them are incompetent. But what do all three of them have in common? They are BA's cronies and three of his favorite sycophants. BA can pull the strings on all three of them like a master puppeteer.

      This is another big reason why the Cardinals' players are failing. Goodwin has been lousy since day one and merely a token coordinator. Bettcher loses his credibility with the players because (a) he wasn't qualified for the position to begin with; and (b) because BA tells him what to do. And Jones...year after year, game after game has proven beyond any scintilla of a doubt that he cannot do what to takes to put competitive STs units on the field. His ineptitude has become a weekly embarrassment.

      It makes no sense, for example that Scooby Wright and D.J. Foster were inactive for this game. How did CB Tramon Williams and TE Ricky Seals-Jones help the STs? Even LB Josh Bynes ---how did he help?

      BA Taking the Blame:

      It is fitting that BA take the blame because he said last year that the only way he would fire Amos Jones is to fire himself.

      Was BA being sincere? Last year when he vaguely suggested one time that he might be part of the blame, the next day he threw several players and the players' leadership under the bus in his Monday presser. Will he do the same today?

      It's all a moot point by now anyway. Sure, the players will likely want to play this Sunday versus the Bucs at home. But, if the Bucs hit the Cardinals in the mouth and outcoach/outplay them the way the Cowboys did...or the way the Rams did last year early in the season, the Cardinals will self-destruct and revert to the same old script.

      The irony is...the Cardinals under Arians have now become what he dissed the Rams on national TV for being...at best...an 8-8 team. Right now even 8-8 seems like a pipe dream.

      Michael Bidwill:

      You deserve much better, MB. This is Cardinals' history repeating itself. After 3 years, you gave Ken Whisenhunt a lucrative extension and then the bottom fell out. Now the same with Arians. "The system works." (Whisenhunt) "We don't change for anyone." (Arians).


 
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PP is not the problem. Bethel is bad. TM has had too many injuries. Branch is average. Bethea is old. Losing Jefferson and Swearinger was a huge hit to the secondary. Time has past for Dansby. Buchanon just not that good. Our DL is old but to be honest not doing that bad.

Agree coaching is a problem. But don't stop there as Keim has not put together a playoff team by any stretch.
 

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Mitch you have finally convinced me that most of the things you have been saying for 2 years are true! Ugh :pullhair:

It really sux for guys like Carson, Fitz & #31 because they have given their souls, bodies & blood for this team.
 
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Mitch you have finally convinced me that most of the things you have been saying for 2 years are true! Ugh :pullhair:

It really sux for guys like Carson, Fitz & #31 because they have given their souls, bodies & blood for this team.[/QUOTE

Not the way I want to be right, Bucky, that's for sure. Arians is a con artist. The players have figured that out. They yes him because that's what they have to do, especially knowing how narcissistic he is. But, otherwise they have drowned him out.

Carson Palmer annoys me. I'm sorry to say. He's a hard worker, but he's not much of a leader. He lacks tempo. And he just can't help himself from making the same mistakes. I admire him for hanging in there and for trying his best to fight back from earlier mistakes. But he makes things so much harder on himself by being so predictable and by not mixing in hard counts and by not insisting to BA that he get added blocking protection.

What bugged me a lot is hearing Palmer say that losing David Johnson was like the Bulls losing Jordan. It just furthers the excuse making and the selling off of higher expectations. Plus, David Johnson at his best only resulted in a 7-8-1 record. The Bulls were winning championships---and their other players were pretty danged good.

As for Fitz, I love the way he competes...but it feels sad to see him taking shots to the head late in meaningless games to the point where he even starts goofing around with the Eagles' DBs. It's pretty easy to tell he's hoping like crazy to come though this season unscathed. Who can blame him?

The biggest question of all is whether Steve Keim and Michael Bidwill will pay Fitz the courtesy of trading him to a contender. I believe they owe him that...particularly Keim who added so little talent to the team this off-season in favor of building up assets for the rebuild.
 

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In all fairness to Petterson. Dude has shut down every wr he has covered. No one has more than 3 receptions or 50 yards. I think the coaches have told him not to return punts. Players get hurt so easy now a days. I have a big issue with BA because he is Buddy Ryan and Whiz combined! We should have addressed the 2nd CB spot. If we had anothwr shut down corner we might have the best defense in the league. Seriously. We are top 3 in stopping the run. 18 straight games with no 100 yard rusher. League high. Till this week we hadnt given up 100 yards rushing total. If you look at every game. We have given up 2 big plays either for TD or huge yards becauae they have thrown to our 2nd CB. I 100% agree we need a FB to block. Why not even use 2 RBs ....both can be wr options options of we run..1 can block or pass protect if we need it. The problem is...we will beat Tampa at home and get to 3-3. Look ok and be I'm the WEST race. I think BA is going to be happy if we are 4-4 5-4 or maybe even 4-5 if DJ can come back. He sees that we could win the WEST if that is the scenario. And all it is in the long run...is painting a turd. But I guess if we can win the West at 9-7 ....playoffs anything can happen.
 
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Exactly. PP is not the problem...quite the opposite.

I didn't say he is the problem, but I said he is part of the problem.

He ignores aspects of his job and I believe that others feel that entitles them to do the same. What'e even worse is that the coaches allow this to happen. For a team that is horrendous on STs, boy they sure could use a boost and they have the most talented return man on the planet. What has he done the last 5 years? Nada. In fact, he's created more bad plays on STs than good...how about the key muffed punt in the NFC Championship game? How about not even rushing the edge on FGs? Not even trying.

Plus, Patrick Peterson is a reluctant tackler and in the NFL you can't win without tackling being a key part of the culture. The Cardinals tackling has sucked for years...and Patrick Peterson is part of that problem.
 

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This year feels very similar to Coach Whiz's last year. There just isn't any hope for the future being displayed on the field. Offense needs almost an entire offensive line, QBOTF, #1 WR, get our RB healthy, coaching and scheme changes. Defense needs new D-lineman, and some coaching/coordinator changes. Special teams is a mess-- Lee stays, every person/thing else has to go. I really don't see any hope for Arians keeping his job. Team is in need of a full rebuild, and Arians' stubborn approach is exactly what is not needed for the future.
 

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Yea I can't really get behind pointing a finger at Peterson for not deciding that he is somehow going to save the ST unit on top of being one of if not best the best cover corners in the NFL.

It's not his fault the team has been unable to field a viable PR in the nearly 5 seasons since he gave up the primary duties of that role.

As far as his effort on FGs and XPs, c'mon now, that is over the top. Where is the criticism of Bethel then? At one time he was the best player in the league at timing the snap, getting around the edge and disrupting kicks.

Those guys are getting paid (and perhaps overpaid in Bethel's case) to defend passes. Special teams are led by specialists, hence the name.

This is akin to expecting David Johnson (when healthy) to insist on returning kickoffs because he is the best on the team at it, and that he somehow needs to do it to set an example for others as if he doesn't already do enough for the team.

I did enjoy your write up on the dynamic of the coaching staff however and I agree with much of what you said. The Peterson stuff is just going a bit too far.
 

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6 wins max for this team this season... and there is zero chance of Palmer finishing the year. Which means we should get a glimpse at Gabbert at some point in the year.

- How much does this d-line miss Calais?? We have zero ability to push the pocket from the middle. And now with Golden out, we have Jones and that's it...

- I am really starting to believe that todays' NFL has passed BA by and with this version of the Cardinals, where we have so many holes and weaknesses and where it takes everything that goes into a play to be 100% perfect just to even have a slight chance at success, I just don't see any possible way BA as the coach can somehow create just the slightest bit of success this year. He's just too inflexible, too stubborn and too committed to "his" old schemes and methods. And from a pure leadership perspective, while it was fun when we were winning a few years ago and everyone loved our funky, hit "Uncle Bruce," the reality is that BA seems to possess some serious leadership flaws.

Anyway, I have little doubt that Mike Bidwill and Steve Keim will be in search of a new head coach and several other coaches, as well as a QBOF, replacement to Fitz, replacement of Iupati and most likely Veldheer (who I believe will formally retire, even though he already did this preseason).

If you think about it - what we are seeing this season really began last season. I guess we were all blinded by hope and love of our Cards...
 

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I didn't say he is the problem, but I said he is part of the problem.

He ignores aspects of his job and I believe that others feel that entitles them to do the same. What'e even worse is that the coaches allow this to happen. For a team that is horrendous on STs, boy they sure could use a boost and they have the most talented return man on the planet. What has he done the last 5 years? Nada. In fact, he's created more bad plays on STs than good...how about the key muffed punt in the NFC Championship game? How about not even rushing the edge on FGs? Not even trying.

Plus, Patrick Peterson is a reluctant tackler and in the NFL you can't win without tackling being a key part of the culture. The Cardinals tackling has sucked for years...and Patrick Peterson is part of that problem.


All of that is true to an extent but the reality is if you took PP off this team for 8 games I think it would become apparent to all of us just how good a player he is. He takes away the best Wr from the other team pretty consistently game after game which allows us to play the schemes we played. We'd have to completely change our defense if we lost PP.

What I see is a team that got old and did such a poor job drafting we haven't been able to adequately replace the old guys.
 

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I have a hard time believing that PP has decided to half ass it when returning punts. To me, since his second season, BA hasn't trusted anyone else at the spot. Similar to what they tell QB's when scrambling, get the free yards but do not take a hit. Not sure who is to blame for this, but I really don't think this is on Patrick. Isaiah Mckenzie would look really good back there right now!! Really wanted him late in the draft.
 

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You know if we had Todd Bowles still here as our defensive coordinator. We would be a contender. His schemes were worth 10 points. And that means a 10 point swing. He would have blitzed at the right times. He would have a safety helping in our 2nd cb. Peterson is fine on an island. If we had just had avg Special teams we would have made playoffs last year which would have built momentum for this year. I still dont get how Arians backs Amos. It really makes you wonder. Because a casual fan can watch us play. And point out our special teams is bad. It's so obvious that I cant comprehend how Arians brushes it off. 4 different kickers. Suck here ...good everywhere else....punt coverage awful. Kick returning abysmal. Dumb
 

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I'm not going to pile on Mitch for his terrible Patrick Peterson take. It's the worst take.

Putting Tyvon Branch on Zach Ertz made no sense to me. He's a size mis-match, and he doesn't have great speed. Why are you taking away your best (only?) center-fielder when you have Karlos Dansby and Deone Bucannon right there?
 

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You know if we had Todd Bowles still here as our defensive coordinator. We would be a contender. His schemes were worth 10 points. And that means a 10 point swing. He would have blitzed at the right times. He would have a safety helping in our 2nd cb. Peterson is fine on an island. If we had just had avg Special teams we would have made playoffs last year which would have built momentum for this year. I still dont get how Arians backs Amos. It really makes you wonder. Because a casual fan can watch us play. And point out our special teams is bad. It's so obvious that I cant comprehend how Arians brushes it off. 4 different kickers. Suck here ...good everywhere else....punt coverage awful. Kick returning abysmal. Dumb

This is a good take. I don't see Bettcher taking control of the defense and telling them "whether we win or lose is on you." The D seems to wait around for the offense to do something. It seemed like Bowles was willing to dictate the terms of the game to the offense, and Bettcher doesn't do that.

I think it's going to make a difference in a lot of games this year.
 

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Mitch, two things. One from what you said and one not. I needed a chuckle, and your clydesdale/Kentucky Derby comment provided it. My second has nothing to do with your post. And that is, cut DJ Foster. If he can't beat out KW, why keep him?
 

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Peterson is not the problem. Peterson going off more is exactly what a leader does not do and the way he finally did actually had effect in my opinion for the most that act can help (which is never much unless you want the whole team to fall apart) because he usually holds it back. Bettcher is a problem, he is in over his head coaching a defense in the NFL, there are no subtleties to his play calling... he either goes zone vanilla (but he sure does a lot swapping to confuse his player to arrive at destination vanilla) or an extreme all out blitz in reaction to stuff he does not understand after the opposing team does adjustments
 

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Maybe I’m reading to much into this but BA mentioned the team had to much free family time between the time they arrive Friday evening to game time Sunday afternoon. Seem to say that some of the players were not using the time to prep for the game. Are they out partying or something?


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After this game, the flaws are visible. The D has some good players, but they play out of position or are put in a bad position to begin with. The playcalling on O doesn't help any player on offense. The ST schemes are outdated and so bad, that even a College team would kill us.

So what we have now, is the chance to see how bad the coaches really are and when BA loses the players.

PP21 isn't the problem of the team, he does tackle if he has to and he tackls ezekiell elliot if he has to, but you can't ask the best man to man CB of the league to field P with the worst blocking scheme in the NFL. If PP gets hit for real, the D will fall appart like a cardhouse. There is a reason many great player don't play KR/PR on teams even if they are the best at it, in our case it should be David Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Parick Peterson (oh and some time back it would have been TM but that ship sailed already and we see what an injury on ST can do to a player).

The team isn't well coached, isn't ready for the game, isn't coming out of the tunnel and ready. Us selecting the ball to start in the first half is just one bad decision BA made and it's not even his worst.

Bettcher gets outchoached regularly and he can't adjust, he isn't a great D mind at least not yet. He doesn't put his players in position to succseed and doesn't get anything out of them. Normally 2 good OLB are enough to get some sacks, but on our D, that isn't he rushes 6 - 7 guys with 2 of the top 20 sack guys last year. That is just not going to cut it, and if BA really gets into playcalling D plays, that tells me that or BA is so full of himself that he thinks he knows it all or he doesn't trust Bettcher, either way, BA has to go.

And no, I know, don't run out ... blablablbla, same story with whiz, if you wait too long the pain will only rise.

The NFL is changing faster than anything, 5 season ago 2 TE sets were top notch, now the FB is coming back and next season maybe a mauler O-line and running for 200-300 yards a game will be the thing, who knows.

But you have to adjust, to the game and to the opponent. You have to play metagames with the opponent coaches if you want to win.

BA doesn't so we give the opponent every chance to play with us. They know, they want to throw and the HC isn't patient enough to run the ball consistantly and help his o-line.

If I know that the o-line plays 1on1 I can search the weak spots and go with a 3 man rush I can get 7 in coverage and 1 to spy or make a delayed rush ... oh that is what they do, gosh maybe BA isn't a Offensive Geniuse at all.

So next stop against Tampa, we somehow will be in this game, but I'm not sold that we win it, Tampa wants to win, and our team isn't in a position to get a win easy at home. So maybe Tampa will somehow get away with it.

For the next year, we have PP21, Chandler Jones, Golden, Reddick, Budda Baker, Buccanon, Pierre and Williams that look okayish, that is an okayish D to work with. On offense, we still have David Johnson, maybe Fitz(even it's a toss up), JJ Nelson, Jaron Brown(maybe) and Williams. Gresham and the O-line will need work, maybe Bohem can be a good C but else, I'm not sold on anyone.

From that you can start to bulid an O-line and D-line and you need a QB and a #2 CB and who knows, what a new coach can bring to the table.

But BA "you keep them accountable" and looking away on his "beloved ones" and coaches, will not work.
 

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PP is not the problem. Bethel is bad. TM has had too many injuries. Branch is average. Bethea is old. Losing Jefferson and Swearinger was a huge hit to the secondary. Time has past for Dansby. Buchanon just not that good. Our DL is old but to be honest not doing that bad.

Agree coaching is a problem. But don't stop there as Keim has not put together a playoff team by any stretch.
Disagree! Somebody out there needs to get angry and Peterson is the only one on that sideline with credibility. Good for Patrick!

Your missing my point, when you are a captain and you get mad on the sidelines late in the game yet you are also on the kick block team and you make no effort whatsoever on it, to me that is a sign of a lousy captain. I f you are not giving 100% effort there, then you should not be a captain. Every play is important.
 

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