PFF debate on Murray to AZ

[SeattleCard]

Apologies if this was posted elsewhere, but I thought this was an interesting debate:

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[slanidrac16]

I stopped it as soon as I heard there is “no debate” Murray gives us a chance at a super bowl. The way some people talk we should be able to get 3 first round and 3 second round picks for our #1. The phone should be ringing off the wall with offers. Just keep this in mind. It’s been mentioned the Patriots are interested in Rosen . That SHOULD tell you something.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Just keep this in mind. It’s been mentioned the Patriots are interested in Rosen . That SHOULD tell you something.

Good point

 

[AZCrazy]

Dumping Murray behind the same line with the same receivers will fail just as horribly. The incredible draft capital owned with the #1 pick can restock much of your team.

Fleece the Raiders again, get #4 and #27. Then trade 27 to a team with two late second round picks, like Houston, Philadelphia, or Kansas City. Maybe trade down again from 4 to 10 or so, for another 2nd round pick.
Now you have #10 and four second round picks.

Raiders take Murray, Broncs trade up for Haskins, you get some stud at 10 like an OT, CB, or DL, and clean up in the 2nd.

 

[SeattleCard]

Dumping Murray behind the same line could have a higher percentage of success due to his feet versus dumping Rosen behind the same line.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I stopped it as soon as I heard there is “no debate” Murray gives us a chance at a super bowl. The way some people talk we should be able to get 3 first round and 3 second round picks for our #1. The phone should be ringing off the wall with offers. Just keep this in mind. It’s been mentioned the Patriots are interested in Rosen . That SHOULD tell you something.

How could you blame them, if the cost was only a 3 rounder (even a second) and only on the hook for about 2 mil a year for a back up QB who could possibly take over after TB12 retires? Hell there are plenty of teams that would sign on for that deal.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Does anyone remember a pundit, let alone a bevy, say the night he won the Heisman, 'this guy is going #1 in the draft he if he decides to pursue football.'

 

[BW52]

Dumping Murray behind the same line could have a higher percentage of success due to his feet versus dumping Rosen behind the same line.

Nonsense.So Murray can run around like a little flea.That still means he will have a harder time seeing the field and
Using the playbook unless you want sandlot football and think that style of play will be a winner.So he scrambles around waiting for those WRs to get open like they did at Okie U.Atkinson

 

[slanidrac16]

How could you blame them, if the cost was only a 3 rounder (even a second) and only on the hook for about 2 mil a year for a back up QB who could possibly take over after TB12 retires? Hell there are plenty of teams that would sign on for that deal.

They expressed interest in Rosen last year. If they see something in Rosen I have to think there might be some value there.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Screw any coy support or avoidance of Rosen. Fact, they where talking about Rosen today on the NFL or ESPN network and they were showing highlights of his successful plays and you know what, despite the percentages when our brutal OL and sporadic talent at WR left a lot to be desired in a hokey OC scheme, the passes he was completing where the type most rookie NFL QBs could not throw, passes in tight windows which Allen and Darnold did not show in their rookie year and which makes me think can Murray throw that type of pass with or without protection? I don't know because his college offense did not require such throws. He was drafted high as a baseball player so there is a high possibility he can... but I know Rosen can

 

[CardsFan88]

Screw any coy support or avoidance of Rosen. Fact, they where talking about Rosen today on the NFL or ESPN network and they were showing highlights of his successful plays and you know what, despite the percentages when our brutal OL and sporadic talent at WR left a lot to be desired in a hokey OC scheme, the passes he was completing where the type most rookie NFL QBs could not throw, passes in tight windows which Allen and Darnold did not show in their rookie year and which makes me think can Murray throw that type of pass with or without protection? I don't know because his college offense did not require such throws. He was drafted high as a baseball player so there is a high possibility he can... but I know Rosen can

They were blasting the Cards big time. It was almost like the Suns dysfunction article part deux.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Screw any coy support or avoidance of Rosen. Fact, they where talking about Rosen today on the NFL or ESPN network and they were showing highlights of his successful plays and you know what, despite the percentages when our brutal OL and sporadic talent at WR left a lot to be desired in a hokey OC scheme, the passes he was completing where the type most rookie NFL QBs could not throw, passes in tight windows which Allen and Darnold did not show in their rookie year and which makes me think can Murray throw that type of pass with or without protection? I don't know because his college offense did not require such throws. He was drafted high as a baseball player so there is a high possibility he can... but I know Rosen can

Yet in a clean pocket his passer rating was 80. Below Lamar Jackson.




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[Jetstream Green]

They were blasting the Cards big time. It was almost like the Suns dysfunction article part deux.

But the highlights I saw while the one I was watching were showing did not show a QB worth giving up on... and that was what I was talking about

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yet in a clean pocket his passer rating was 80. Below Lamar Jackson.




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But his OL was not the only freaking problem, it was his WRs (especially after Kirk was out) and a rookie OC operating under the offense of a fired bad OC. As an analogy Dr. Jones, just as the pyramids served many purposes and not just one, the Cardinal offense had many flaws and not just one which you should know as a archaeologist... now Junior, count to twenty in Greek

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[Shane]

Yet in a clean pocket his passer rating was 80. Below Lamar Jackson.




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That doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans considering they didn’t play behind the same offensive line or have the same caliber of receivers from top to bottom.... Anyone touting that as a basis for getting rid of Rosen isn’t really supporting their argument.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yet in a clean pocket his passer rating was 80. Below Lamar Jackson.




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Yeah throwing to Chad Williams and RSJ just ensures success! #SUPER BOWLZ!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

That doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans considering they didn’t play behind the same offensive line or have the same caliber of receivers from top to bottom.... Anyone touting that as a basis for getting rid of Rosen isn’t really supporting their argument.

It's a flawed stunted argument.

If you draft Murray it also means you likely have a lower chance of drafting a receiver or OL because OLB will probably be a need that has to be selected 2nd or 3rd round.

But don't throw logic at the cult of skinny midget.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I with Rosen that here was huge amount of dropped balls.. I would like to see what his qb rating would have been if they averaged the normal amount of drops... I'd love if the Raiders gave us their 4 and 27 for our 1 and that is what I'm hoping for.

 

[Shane]

I with Rosen that here was huge amount of dropped balls.. I would like to see what his qb rating would have been if they averaged the normal amount of drops... I'd love if the Raiders gave us their 4 and 27 for our 1 and that is what I'm hoping for.

The amount of dropped balls was beyond ridiculous def well above the norm

 

[DRM08]

I with Rosen that here was huge amount of dropped balls.. I would like to see what his qb rating would have been if they averaged the normal amount of drops... I'd love if the Raiders gave us their 4 and 27 for our 1 and that is what I'm hoping for.

PFF accounts for dropped balls in their grading. Mayfield for instance had a ton of dropped balls by the Cleveland receivers. They graded him #8 QB in the league. Rosen was graded 37th out of 38 (Tannehill dead last).

 

[Krangodnzr]

PFF accounts for dropped balls in their grading. Mayfield for instance had a ton of dropped balls by the Cleveland receivers. They graded him #8 QB in the league. Rosen was graded 37th out of 38 (Tannehill dead last).

PFF is flawed at times.

Like when they don't rank Peterson as the best, saying he isn't thrown at enough to know if he is.

 

[DRM08]

PFF is flawed at times.

Like when they don't rank Peterson as the best, saying he isn't thrown at enough to know if he is.

They have him graded 5th out of 112 guys, which is a pretty strong amount of respect for his talent.

 

[Krangodnzr]

They have him graded 5th out of 112 guys, which is a pretty strong amount of respect for his talent.

He's the best.

 

[DRM08]

He's the best.

There is no objective measurement for that. He turns 29 later this year. Not exactly a spring chicken. There are similar players available at younger ages that don't cost $14m per year.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I will admit as a person who was completely on Rosen's side, that was a fairly convincing video