Pasquarelli: Cardinals in "deep discussions" to move back in Round 1

[Ed B]

I wonder how credible this is.

One article claims Graves is in love with Trufant, Newman and Suggs. Another claims they are trying to trade down. Why would they want to trade down unless they were totally unconvinced about the guys available?

Kevin Williams may be the guy they want if Len P's statement is true.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

I think they're gonna regret it if they are in a position to draft Suggs and trade down instead. Screw the workout numbers.

But what do I know.

 

[BACH]

Funny, I went in here to post the same thing. I just listened to Todd McShay on Sporting News Radio and he mentioned the same thing. He talked about Baltimore most likely would try to trade up with the Cards or Vikings so they could draft Leftwich, because they're not so high on Boller anymore.

If the price is right I'm for it. They seem to like Trufant, Kennedy and Williams a lot, and two of these three should be there at #10, so if that's the direction they want to go - Do it.

 

[RedStorm]

If the Cards do trade down they need to take Williams or Kennedy. No Trufant!!!

 

[Houdini]

I've never been real high on Joe Greene as a coach, but last week during Suggs workout, I seen him interviewed on one of the TV stations, and he sounded disappointed to me in Suggs workout. I don't remember the exact numbers, but he was saying Suggs ran something like 1.70 for the first 10 yards, and it should be something like 1.65. I forgot what else he said, but I really felt he was disappointed with Suggs. I wonder how much input the coaches have with Graves in the draft process to influence who is taken?

 

[Ed B]

Whoa, every Joe Greene comment I read was glowing, and he said several times that he felt workouts were irrelevant!

 

[Ed B]

From the republic, 4/19:

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"Coming out of last time, everyone was surprised because they were anticipating a 4.6, 4.7 type of guy, and he didn't run that," Greene said. " . . . I don't think he ran 4.6 when he was 248 during the season. So what it says in my mind is that he can carry 260 pounds. The added weight didn't really slow him."

The Cardinals had a hefty contingent at the workout - vice president of operations Rod Graves, coach Dave McGinnis, defensive coordinator Larry Marmie, Greene and area scout George Belu - none of whom suggested Suggs is anything other than a top-six pick.

"It's always great to have certain numbers confirmed with respect to his speed and quickness, but the main thing is he is a good football player," Graves said. "The guy had 24 sacks. He's a productive player, and I think he'll be a great player in the National Football League."</b>

 

[Houdini]

Originally posted by Ed B
Whoa, every Joe Greene comment I read was glowing, and he said several times that he felt workouts were irrelevant!

I wish I had a link of the interview I seen to show you, because I'm not kidding. He didn't say anything like what you said in the interview I seen. Maybe it was just blowing smoke. But he really sounded down on Suggs to me last Friday.

 

[TheCardFan]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
I think they're gonna regret it if they are in a position to draft Suggs and trade down instead. Screw the workout numbers.

But what do I know.

I am sure that if this is true, then the Cardinals feel very strongly that Suggs will not be there at #6. I seriously doubt them passing on Suggs...it would be crazy.

In this case, they would be crazy to pass on Leftwich for Trufant or Williams. I franchise type QB is worth much much more than any other position, and at #6, would be very economical.

The ONLY way I trade down is if Suggs and Leftwich are gone and we can get two #1 picks...from either the Jets/Saints/NE.

 

[SweetD]

I have a question if the Cards don't pick Suggs would his value drop enough to maybe trade are 2nd and Jones to a team to pick him up later in the 1st? I would think if the Cards who have the huge need at DE would pass on their hometown guy devalue other teams perseption of Suggs and pass on him as well. At least far enough the Cards could actualy draft Lefty @ 6 and trade for Suggs later in the round???

 

[JeffGollin]

3 hours ago Pasquarelli and Clayton projected the Cqrdsa to stay put and draft Suggs - in the ESPN mock.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
3 hours ago Pasquarelli and Clayton projected the Cqrdsa to stay put and draft Suggs - in the ESPN mock.

Covering all the bases so they can look back and say they were right.

Even though nidan has threatened trout slapping, I for one am glad (and hopeful) the Cards are trying to trade down. Too many holes, too few picks. While I agree, Jeff, with your 1 Urlacher or 2 Knights theory, it could just as easily turn out the other way...or one of each.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SweetD
I have a question if the Cards don't pick Suggs would his value drop enough to maybe trade are 2nd and Jones to a team to pick him up later in the 1st? I would think if the Cards who have the huge need at DE would pass on their hometown guy devalue other teams perseption of Suggs and pass on him as well. At least far enough the Cards could actualy draft Lefty @ 6 and trade for Suggs later in the round???

Basically, the bad workouts made teams think that Suggs wasn't a Top 5 pick, but most likely a Top 10 pick, instead. If you trade out of the Top 10, you're going to lose out on Suggs. If he falls into the Top 15, whoever gets him there got an amazing deal, but he won't fall that far.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Sure they are in serious discussions about trading down. All teams are in serious discussions about trading down but that doesn't mean that they have that as plan #1. They most likely will try to trade down if their guy is not there at #6 and all indications are that Suggs is their guy and if he is there they are staying put and drafting him. If he is not there then they are making contingency plans to trade down.

This draft "Rumor" stuff has ran its course. Its time to stop the rumors and get this thing over with so we can get back to reality. I was probably as bad as anyone about blowing smoke and buying into draft rumors, but reality is that the Cards have wanted Suggs from the get go, there was a time when they probably were convinced there was no way that he would be there at #6 and they were looking at other guys if that was the case. Now that he is most likely going to be there then he will be the guy when they pick if he is indeed still on the board.

I am no insider, but I can read between the lines enough to know that Terrell Suggs is the man if he is there and there aint no way they trade down unless he isn't there.

 

[Red Air Force]

The trufant thing mght be trying to bait the Saints who are high on him, to give up both picks.

What if they trade back to 10 with baltimore, and then also pick up some more picks from NO.

Going to extremes...would anyone give up having a 1st rounder this year to have like 15 picks rounds 2 - 7?

Just a thought

 

[SECTION 11]

Today Chicago turned down New England's two first rounders for Chicago's first and second.

What's that have to do with us? I dunno.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think there's a 50 - 50 chance the Cards will trade out of #6 for the extra pick. And one reason is that they may feel that there's enough of a chance that Suggs would fall to them anyway to justify the calculated risk.

Let's look at the following scenario. The current concensus for the Top 5 goes:

1. Cincy Palmer
2. Detroit Rogers
3. Houston Johnson
4. Chicago Robertson
5. Felon Newman
Suppose Baltimore swaps their #10 and #41 to the Cards for our #6.
6. Baltimore Leftwich

(Kennedy, Suggs, Trufant and K Williams are still out there along with Boller and Gross).

7. Vikes - Probably need a DT or CB more than a rush end
8. Jax - (hoped for Leftwich) Could still take Boller or Gross.
9. Carolina - Already have Peppers
10. Cards - A good shot at Suggs. Or Kennedy, Trufant or K Williams

Foiling the calculated risk might be either the Vikes or Jacksonville grabbing Suggs or one or more of the three teams trading out of the pick to another team who then takes Suggs.

But otherwise, the Cards could still wind up with the opportunity to take Suggs at #10 while picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Sweet. (But only if it works). Otherwise we get the consolation prize of Trufant, Kennedy or Kevin Williams - which isn't totally horrible.

I think they may do it. (But I still wish we'd just stay at #6 and take Suggs).

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Don't See It

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I think there's a 50 - 50 chance the Cards will trade out of #6 for the extra pick. And one reason is that they may feel that there's enough of a chance that Suggs would fall to them anyway to justify the calculated risk.

Let's look at the following scenario. The current concensus for the Top 5 goes:

1. Cincy Palmer
2. Detroit Rogers
3. Houston Johnson
4. Chicago Robertson
5. Felon Newman
Suppose Baltimore swaps their #10 and #41 to the Cards for our #6.
6. Baltimore Leftwich

(Kennedy, Suggs, Trufant and K Williams are still out there along with Boller and Gross).

7. Vikes - Probably need a DT or CB more than a rush end
8. Jax - (hoped for Leftwich) Could still take Boller or Gross.
9. Carolina - Already have Peppers
10. Cards - A good shot at Suggs. Or Kennedy, Trufant or K Williams

Foiling the calculated risk might be either the Vikes or Jacksonville grabbing Suggs or one or more of the three teams trading out of the pick to another team who then takes Suggs.

But otherwise, the Cards could still wind up with the opportunity to take Suggs at #10 while picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Sweet. (But only if it works). Otherwise we get the consolation prize of Trufant, Kennedy or Kevin Williams - which isn't totally horrible.

I think they may do it. (But I still wish we'd just stay at #6 and take Suggs).

I don't see Suggs falling....the Vikes would probably jump on him....if a pass rush is our biggest area of need and if suggs is the best player available then I see us picking him at 6 as a no-brainer.