OT - Rams OT Greg Robinson moved to Guard, to backup Saffold

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The Rams coaching staffed screwed up. Just being a rookie in the NFL is an overwhelming experience. The Rams made Robinson learn both guard and left tackle. Now he has information overload and is riding the pine until gets a handle on things.
 

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Reminded me so much of Leonard Davis I looked at him and said ges just to big to be on the outside. Put him on the inside and he's gonna go to the pro bowl for the next 10 years
 

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I'm pretty sure he was always going to play guard as a rookie. Disappointing that he's going to be playing the Earl Watford role.

Surprised Saffold couldn't hold down the RT job, actually.
 

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Reminded me so much of Leonard Davis I looked at him and said ges just to big to be on the outside. Put him on the inside and he's gonna go to the pro bowl for the next 10 years

Absofreakinglutely!!! I thought the same thing!

Plus I'm always leary of college LTs who come from predominantly running teams to the passing league of the NFL.
 

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It is disappointing but still early.

Only for the Rams.

You're right, it is disappointing, but one of things we were (or at least I was) concerned about was the Rams having four 1st round picks in two years to continue to build on a young nucleus. It'd help if a couple of those dudes became mega busts.
 

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Surprised Saffold couldn't hold down the RT job, actually.

I know at least during the offseason, the talk was the Rams viewed guard as Saffold's best position. He played there a bit last year and was pretty good at times.

RE: Robinson. I really like him at Auburn, but I just felt the Rams were making a bungling mistake not taking Watkins, especially with the idea that they were going to move Robinson to guard initially.

Watkins could be in the Megatron/Josh Gordon tier of receivers very soon, and looking at the Rams roster, they desperately need outside playmakers more than anything else. I'm glad they didn't take Watkins though; he'd eat Patrick Peterson's lunch.
 

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I know at least during the offseason, the talk was the Rams viewed guard as Saffold's best position. He played there a bit last year and was pretty good at times.

RE: Robinson. I really like him at Auburn, but I just felt the Rams were making a bungling mistake not taking Watkins, especially with the idea that they were going to move Robinson to guard initially.

Watkins could be in the Megatron/Josh Gordon tier of receivers very soon, and looking at the Rams roster, they desperately need outside playmakers more than anything else. I'm glad they didn't take Watkins though; he'd eat Patrick Peterson's lunch.

Yeah. I get that. Bill Barnwell has been writing about it a while, but the Rams have invested more draft capital at the WR position than anyone in the NFL the last few years and have gotten nothing out of it. I guess they figured that they didn't want to keep going to that well if Brian Shottenheimer was going to keep sending everyone on five-yard crossing routes.

The Rams had believed that they were the Falcons for some reasons--that all the pieces were in place as long as they could protect Sam Bradford. That hasn't panned out for them.

Really liked Robertson at Auburn, too. Kid was an absolute monster.
 

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Saffold will be hurt by week 5. GRob will get his shot.
Another reason he isn't starting is because we signed former pro bowl G Davin Joseph in FA and he looks like he's been rejuvenated.

Rams mantra is to put the 5 best guys out there regardless of position and Long/Saffold/Wells/Joseph/Barksdale are those five right now. However, three of those guys are an injury/re-injury waiting to happen so Robinson will be ready to slide in at either LT or G if/when necessary.
 

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Saffold will be hurt by week 5. GRob will get his shot.
Another reason he isn't starting is because we signed former pro bowl G Davin Joseph in FA and he looks like he's been rejuvenated.

Davin Joseph is one of the more overrated players of the past ten years. He's never matched his press clippings. Average player who looks the part and has the draft pedigree, but that's it.

Rams mantra is to put the 5 best guys out there regardless of position and Long/Saffold/Wells/Joseph/Barksdale are those five right now. However, three of those guys are an injury/re-injury waiting to happen so Robinson will be ready to slide in at either LT or G if/when necessary.

I think the "best 5 will play" is pure coachspeak. Some line positions are more important and some players fit only at one position.

The Rams are going to be a middling team this year. Average WRs, below average QB, and a laughable secondary. Sounds like the Rams will be drafting between #1 overall and #15. Hopefully they will try to ride the Sam Bradford train once again. :p
 

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The Rams are going to be a middling team this year. Average WRs, below average QB, and a laughable secondary. Sounds like the Rams will be drafting between #1 overall and #15. Hopefully they will try to ride the Sam Bradford train once again. :p
I respect your opinion on my team, and you never hold the punches Krang.

Now you'll hear mine on yours...and i'm forced to watch a lot of your team. Doubt you see much more than two games per year of the Rams, and highlights don't count, but i digress.

I think the Cards will have the best offense in the division this season, and it won't even be close. Palmer will get the job done with better protection and your WR's are top notch. Ellington is a stud but there's nothing behind him. There's also nothing behind Palmer. Your OLine should be suitable in non-division games. You will not be able to block our guys. Period.

I wouldn't want to have to be forced to throw vs your secondary if i get behind by two or more scores. Dangerous ball skills and cover guys throughout. Your DB's will eat QB's up in those situations despite a weak pass rush.
#1 vs the run last season. Nice. You guys are going to get run over in this division this season. Up the gut, to the outside. Bad division to be in if you can't dictate the LOS. I also look at your stellar secondary and see a bunch of guys who aren't going to help much in stopping the run. You'd better hope that the rookie is ready to hit people. Peterson and Cromartie won't. Mathieu might be a little gun shy to mix it up until he gets comfortable on that knee. Not a lot of run support for a short-handed front seven IMO.

I see an outstanding offense that will be in some shootouts and a soft defense at the LOS.

8-8
4th place

Good luck Cards fans.
 

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Yeah. I get that. Bill Barnwell has been writing about it a while, but the Rams have invested more draft capital at the WR position than anyone in the NFL the last few years and have gotten nothing out of it. I guess they figured that they didn't want to keep going to that well if Brian Shottenheimer was going to keep sending everyone on five-yard crossing routes.

Don't get me wrong, I understand this but when you are propping up David Givens, Brian Quick, and the dude from the Titans as real options to start, you are in trouble. None are NFL starters, and the miss on Brian Quick was laughable. I remember Fisher saying he thought he was going to be better than Floyd, and that's why the didn't go hard after Floyd in the first.

The next year they took Tavon Austin (probably reached), but they still don't have that true #1 receiver. If you look at the trends, they thought Brian Quick was going to be that guy, they thought Givens might become that guy. I think they are deluded and have a poor eye for WR talent, similar to the current Cardinals situation with OLBs.

The Rams had believed that they were the Falcons for some reasons--that all the pieces were in place as long as they could protect Sam Bradford. That hasn't panned out for them.

Really liked Robertson at Auburn, too. Kid was an absolute monster.

Which is crazy because the Falcons have Roddy White and Julio Jones, two players that defenses really have to account for, and they have Douglas in the slot. The Rams can't touch what the Falcons have.
 

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Rams will be middling until they improve at QB like most teams. They have just been spinning their tires with Bradford for the last couple years rather than admit he is a bust.

While I agree that QBs need help, the franchise ones elevate the talent they have. It is why I am not sold on Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton yet as top QBs. The Falcons were awful last year after they lost Julio , and with White recovering. Losing those guys is going to have an impact, but elite QBs minimize the impact, not lead a team to one of the worst records in football. Andy Dalton led one of the most talented teams in football vs the awful Chargers, and Rivers smoked him. Dalton will probably never be surrounded with more talent on offense, and that was the bets he could do.

Look at Flacco, it isn't sexy, but the Ravens are still a decent team despite transitioning from their top defensive players. Brady elevates talent. Peyton elevates talent. Luck elevates talent. Wilson is close to that level. Romo keeps the Dallas Trainwrecks 8-8. Rodgers elevates talent. Brees elevates talent.
 

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I respect your opinion on my team, and you never hold the punches Krang.

Now you'll hear mine on yours...and i'm forced to watch a lot of your team. Doubt you see much more than two games per year of the Rams, and highlights don't count, but i digress.

You are correct here, but I'm a fan of football and it's not hard to see the Rams problems. I also watch their matchups against the Seahawks since I live in Washington state.

I think the Cards will have the best offense in the division this season, and it won't even be close. Palmer will get the job done with better protection and your WR's are top notch. Ellington is a stud but there's nothing behind him. There's also nothing behind Palmer. Your OLine should be suitable in non-division games. You will not be able to block our guys. Period.

I think you underrate Drew Stanton, and while their would be a fall off, it's hardly the precipice you speak of. True there isn't much behind Ellington, but Arians doesn't need much of a running game to score points. This is 2014, a time where teams even with lousy RBs can win 10+ games.

The Cardinals will struggle blocking the Rams, but I think you discount Arians offensive mind. The Cardinals will slow the Rams rush just enough to win. Low scoring games, but I think the Cardinals score 17 while the Rams bungle their way to 10.

I wouldn't want to have to be forced to throw vs your secondary if i get behind by two or more scores. Dangerous ball skills and cover guys throughout. Your DB's will eat QB's up in those situations despite a weak pass rush.

True, but while I think the Cardinals pass rush falls off a bit with the loss of our inside backers, we will probably not be awful. I think we will be a middle of the pack pass rushing team which will be adequate. But I don't think this matters covering the likes of Tavon Austin, David Givens, that Titans reject and the other band of misfit toys you call a WR corps.

#1 vs the run last season. Nice. You guys are going to get run over in this division this season. Up the gut, to the outside. Bad division to be in if you can't dictate the LOS.

The Cardinals lost Dockett, who has seen better days and was reportedly being outplayed by the player who replaced him (Frostee Rucker) and brought in a solid guy in Tommy Kelly. The Cardinals lost Dansby and Washington and replaced them with Minter and Foote who shouldn't be a fall off against the run (the pass is another story). I fail to see why you predict that the Cardinals run defense to be so bad. Sorry, but Zac Stacy might be a success story but he's not an elite NFL RB.

I also look at your stellar secondary and see a bunch of guys who aren't going to help much in stopping the run. You'd better hope that the rookie is ready to hit people. Peterson and Cromartie won't. Mathieu might be a little gun shy to mix it up until he gets comfortable on that knee. Not a lot of run support for a short-handed front seven IMO.

Mathieu gun shy? I don't think he knows what gun shy means. He'll come out hitting hard. Plus Deone Bucannon should be a force against the run fairly early in his career. He'll line up as a nickel LB at times and should be a plus run defender.

I see an outstanding offense that will be in some shootouts and a soft defense at the LOS.

Wishful thinking on the "soft defense at the LOS". We still have Calais Campbell, Dan Williams, Alameda Ta'amu, Frostee Rucker, Tommy Kelly, Larry Foote, Matt Shaughnessy, Sam Acho, and Deone Bucannon. Every one of those aforementioned players are good run down defenders. Where they are not strong is rushing the passer as a group. The Rams won't be able to pass and will be ineffective against this team

6-10 (at best)
4th place
 

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Rams will be middling until they improve at QB like most teams. They have just been spinning their tires with Bradford for the last couple years rather than admit he is a bust.

While I agree that QBs need help, the franchise ones elevate the talent they have. It is why I am not sold on Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton yet as top QBs. The Falcons were awful last year after they lost Julio , and with White recovering. Losing those guys is going to have an impact, but elite QBs minimize the impact, not lead a team to one of the worst records in football. Andy Dalton led one of the most talented teams in football vs the awful Chargers, and Rivers smoked him. Dalton will probably never be surrounded with more talent on offense, and that was the bets he could do.

Look at Flacco, it isn't sexy, but the Ravens are still a decent team despite transitioning from their top defensive players. Brady elevates talent. Peyton elevates talent. Luck elevates talent. Wilson is close to that level. Romo keeps the Dallas Trainwrecks 8-8. Rodgers elevates talent. Brees elevates talent.

You lost me at Flacco. He's a middling QB.
 

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You lost me at Flacco. He's a middling QB.

He has kept a transitioning team decent without much in terms of offensive weapons, or solid offensive minds. The guy overcame Cam Cameron and Jim Caldwell. He is so underrated.
 

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Just because we are on it, Flacco is one of the top 10 QBs in the league. And in my mind, the top QBs are ones who do the most with the least.

In no particular order

P Manning
T Brady
A Luck
A Rodgers
D Brees
P Rivers
T Romo
B Roethlisberger
J Flacco
R Wilson
 
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Just because we are on it, Flacco is one of the top 10 QBs in the league. And in my mind, the top QBs are ones who do the most with the least.

In no particular order

P Manning
T Brady
A Luck
A Rodgers
D Brees
P Rivers
T Romo
B Roethlisberger
J Flacco
R Wilson

Under that reasoning Cam is surrounded by garbage and wins.
 

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It is why I am not sold on Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton yet as top QBs. The Falcons were awful last year after they lost Julio , and with White recovering.

I don't think it's fair to put that on Ryan's shoulders--or even the Falcons' offense. Despite the injuries to Jones and White, the Atlanta offense was still 14th in overall DVOA and 11th in passing DVOA. The performance looks worse than it actually was because they faced the hardest schedule in the NFL of opposing defenses. That's one reason why Ryan's efficiency numbers remained strong in 2013 despite a dip in production and in the win/loss column. Ryan was 4th in DYAR and 9th in DVOA according to Football Outsiders.

It was Atlanta's defense that was terrible last year, and was the primary culprit for their poor season. 29th in DVOA. Last-rated pass defense in the league, 29th against the run.

Andy Dalton is pretty average.

He has kept a transitioning team decent without much in terms of offensive weapons, or solid offensive minds. The guy overcame Cam Cameron and Jim Caldwell. He is so underrated.

I don't really get this at all. At some point, shouldn't that above-average talent and performance level show up in the stat sheet? It's not unreasonable to argue that Flacco was drug along by an excellent running game and defense for the first five seasons of his career, and when the responsibility was put primarily on his shoulders, he completely wet the bed in 2013.

40th in DYAR, 35th in DVOA. Flacco lead the 24th-most efficient passing offense in the NFL last year.

Even in his Super Bowl season, Flacco was an average quarterback. 17th in DYAR and DVOA; slightly better than Carson Palmer's final season with the Raiders.

IMO, Flacco is a more fortunate Alex Smith. He won a huge gamble in his contract negotiations, and I don't begrudge him a single dollar of what he was able to negotiate. A more talented Mark Sanchez.
 

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Does he? Pretty sure they have one division title. 25-23 over his career and they were crushed by the 49ers last year in the playoffs.

How many division titles does Flacco have? Also, didn't Cam start from the baseline of a team that earned the #1 overall pick in the draft, and is supported by one of the worst front offices in the league?

How's the organization supporting Flacco?
 
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Does he? Pretty sure they have one division title. 25-23 over his career and they were crushed by the 49ers last year in the playoffs.

On that note Kaep has won 3 road playoff games and their defense wasn't exactly stellar allowing 24 ppg in their last 6 playoff games.
 
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