OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[WisconsinCard]

Geez Whiskey, can you at least admit that K1 might be more successful with a better organization? Wow.

Congrats to you Stout, Britcard, Chopper, et. all on the fact that we'll be moving on from Kyler.

I will if and when it happens. I doubt he'll ever be successful playing scared like does. I'm sorry but imo he will never go to another team. I believe after he's done with the cards he'll retire with his fortune. I don't believe winning is a priority to him.

I'll gladly admit I was wrong if he ever takes us to a playoff win and beyond. I would be over the moon to buy you all the beer you want, at said playoff game. I would be ecstatic to eat some huge helpings of crow. I'm so hope you and the k1 crew are right. Nothing would make me happier.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Demercado with the biggest brain dead move I have ever seen
Specail Teams showing they are special again
The Defense kicking the ball into the endzone for a tuddy
BPB calling 3 runs in a row and punting

This board gives no credit to K1 in wins and all the blame for losses so far this season.

Its comical to say the least. Meanwhile the national media is calling for coaches to be fired.

Not true I said he played good enough to win in San Francisco. I've seen several k1 detractors says thing like this as well. We all just root for the name on the front of their jerseys not the one on the back of them

 

[602 Native]

I believe after he's done with the cards he'll retire with his fortune. I don't believe winning is a priority to him.

You probably thought we would bench him and trade him after the ACL injury, or were you the guy that said he couldn't do play action plays?

You people haven't been right on anything.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Yeah he 100% has to go hard after the ball but I do sort of get it. The RG for us stood up prior to the snap and was still standing when the ball was snapped so I assume Kyler thought it was a dead ball false start but you can't assume that.

Did he hear the whistle? No you're taught to play to the whistle. He was too scared to jump in the pile and fight for the ball. Winning in not a priority. Bring great not a priority. Going to the hall of Fame not a priority. Getting paid a fortune was always his one and only priority.

 

[Mulli]

That is the

Did he hear the whistle? No you're taught to play to the whistle. He was too scared to jump in the pile and fight for the ball. Winning in not a priority. Bring great not a priority. Going to the hall of Fame not a priority. Getting paid a fortune was always his one and only priority.

The same as the Bidwills. Imagine that!

 

[WisconsinCard]

Demercado with the biggest brain dead move I have ever seen
Specail Teams showing they are special again
The Defense kicking the ball into the endzone for a tuddy
BPB calling 3 runs in a row and punting

This board gives no credit to K1 in wins and all the blame for losses so far this season.

Its comical to say the least. Meanwhile the national media is calling for coaches to be fired.

Do you watch other games? Because it happen a week ago or so to Indy.

Of course they're calling for coaches to be fired, you can't fire the whole team. Have you heard them say fire the whole team and forfeit the rest of the season. And you guys always preach content matters

 

[602 Native]

Do you watch other games? Because it happen a week ago or so to Indy.

Of course they're calling for coaches to be fired, you can't fire the whole team. Have you heard them say fire the whole team and forfeit the rest of the season. And you guys always preach content matters

Yep saw the Indy one too. I stand by what I said.

I am totally ok with firing most of the offensive staff and bringing in some old dude that is watching or commentating on games till the end of the year. This season is lost in my eyes due to the amount of holes we have as a team.

 

[WisconsinCard]

That makes zero sense.

BPB is going to trade the QB that he believes is no good to his mentor?

I think you spelled Monte wrong. An OC has no say in who get traded and to where if you think Drew doesn't want a different QB? Does Drew run the same offense with Lamar or Allen? I certainly do not think so.

The entire NFL world is wrong, including a professional football scout that posts on this board. The boomers as you like call us have been watching the game long before you were born, and have seen the evolution of the game. But hey you 4 dudes are probably right . How arrogant is that. This dude will retire with his stats as they are and you 4 dudes will be waiting for his call from the HOF.

 

[WisconsinCard]

You probably thought we would bench him and trade him after the ACL injury, or were you the guy that said he couldn't do play action plays?

You people haven't been right on anything.

You got me mixed up dude. Oh nevermind

 

[602 Native]

I think you spelled Monte wrong. An OC has no say in who get traded and to where if you think Drew doesn't want a different QB? Does Drew run the same offense with Lamar or Allen? I certainly do not think so.

The entire NFL world is wrong, including a professional football scout that posts on this board. The boomers as you like call us have been watching the game long before you were born, and have seen the evolution of the game. But hey you 4 dudes are probably right . How arrogant is that. This dude will retire with his stats as they are and you 4 dudes will be waiting for his call from the HOF.

Brother BPB is on record saying he talks to Stefanski.

I promise you K1 is not going to the Browns. Come on people.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Demercado with the biggest brain dead move I have ever seen
Specail Teams showing they are special again
The Defense kicking the ball into the endzone for a tuddy
BPB calling 3 runs in a row and punting

This board gives no credit to K1 in wins and all the blame for losses so far this season.

Its comical to say the least. Meanwhile the national media is calling for coaches to be fired.

I literally said he’s not the sole reason for the loss…

 

[cardcrazy]

Kylers lack of toughness on display yesterday.
1) The facemask fumble. Kyler looks stunned then immediately takes a step back located the ball and freezes. No instinct to go after it!

2) 2nd quarter. 3rd and 10 Jeffrey Simmons busts thru a double team block and Kyler just goes down without seemingly being touched. But hey he’s been doing this every since his knee injury.

3) Right before the half. 3rd & 6 on Cards 15. Kyler scrambles around towards the end zone and actually turns his back and throws the ball up for intentional grounding. Maybe the most cowardly looking move I’ve ever seen by a QB.

I was a KM fan up until yesterday. I’m done. He’s not tough and never will be. It’s not his fault it’s just his natural character. While he’s talented, fast and has a decent arm, this lack of toughness will continue to lose games in a league that demands toughness out of the QB.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Murray and Tough should never be used in the same sentence/paragraph/book. He will never be a winner in this league due to that fact.

 

[602 Native]

I literally said he’s not the sole reason for the loss…

No you just said that 99.99% of all QBs in the league would have won the game. Zero idea where that metric came from but you are framing it as a K1 issue with that very statement.

 

[Mr X]

We have a QB that takes sit down sacks!

 

[Clif]

Wondering if a guy that plays nfl football is tough is nasty work.

 

[pemory09]

Painful to watch his “Cam Newton” response to the facemask fumble.

 

[DVontel]

It’s not in my DNA to call any football player(or athlete in general) playing at the highest level, soft/not tough.

But, it’s disappointing. I think it was Seattle in 2022 where Rondale Moore had the ball, had to reverse the other way, Kyler could at least have got in the way if he wasn’t gonna block, but he moved out the way regardless. Right there, I sighed.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I will if and when it happens. I doubt he'll ever be successful playing scared like does. I'm sorry but imo he will never go to another team. I believe after he's done with the cards he'll retire with his fortune. I don't believe winning is a priority to him.

I'll gladly admit I was wrong if he ever takes us to a playoff win and beyond. I would be over the moon to buy you all the beer you want, at said playoff game. I would be ecstatic to eat some huge helpings of crow. I'm so hope you and the k1 crew are right. Nothing would make me happier.

Hmmm... that's a nice sentiment at least.

But I think JG, NR, DP and K1 are all done in ARZ.

There's no recovering from yesterday, and they're all playing out the string at this point. It's not if, but when (which makes me sad).

In any event, props to you for spending so much blood and treasure supporting the Cardinals. You are kind of a hero in that regard! I was planning on going to see the ATL game and crashing Brian's nerdy little halftime get together , but I guess I'm kind of soft because after yesterday I just don't have the stomach for it.

Hope you have a good week Whiskey!

 

[82CardsGrad]

No you just said that 99.99% of all QBs in the league would have won the game. Zero idea where that metric came from but you are framing it as a K1 issue with that very statement.

And I said he's not the sole reason for the loss. You just need to read a bit more buddy...

Anyway... I don't need to point out the obvious any longer, something I've been doing since Day 1 of the Kyler Murray experiment. His record speaks for itself.
I respect the talent...just as I respected the talent of Cam Newton. But in terms of all it takes to be a winning NFL QB? Well, see Newton's career. If that's what you're down for, cool.

 

[DVontel]

And I said he's not the sole reason for the loss. You just need to read a bit more buddy...

Anyway... I don't need to point out the obvious any longer, something I've been doing since Day 1 of the Kyler Murray experiment. His record speaks for itself.
I respect the talent...just as I respected the talent of Cam Newton. But in terms of all it takes to be a winning NFL QB? Well, see Newton's career. If that's what you're down for, cool.

The Cam Newton that won an MVP & made the Super Bowl with a prehistoric HC in Ron Rivera? That Cam Newton?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

let kyler call his own plays lol

 

[krazy2k]

This thread should really be called the Kyler Murray "No Debate" Thread - because there is no debate regarding his viability as "the anwer" for the Cards at QB. There's Hertz and there's Not Exactly...KM is Not Exactly.

 

[DVontel]

What is a “winning NFL QB” in your words anyway?

Current elite/great talents like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, & Justin Herbert still haven’t made a SB. Joe Burrow made one, but didn’t win. By 82’s words, those aren’t “winning NFL QBs”.

 

[602 Native]

And I said he's not the sole reason for the loss. You just need to read a bit more buddy...

Anyway... I don't need to point out the obvious any longer, something I've been doing since Day 1 of the Kyler Murray experiment. His record speaks for itself.
I respect the talent...just as I respected the talent of Cam Newton. But in terms of all it takes to be a winning NFL QB? Well, see Newton's career. If that's what you're down for, cool.

Dear Lord

Dude was an MVP and took the team to the Super Bowl on his back.

Got banged up becasue he took on tacklers.

I will take that for sure here.